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12:01:15 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
12:01:23 <kaz> chair: Sebastian
12:01:29 <kaz> regrets: McCool
12:01:47 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Kunihiko_Toumura, Chinn_Hwa_Lim
12:02:01 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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12:02:42 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#4_August_2021
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12:03:56 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
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12:07:31 <kaz> scribenick: cris
12:07:32 <Ege> my mic does not work but I said yes :D
12:08:06 <cris> topic: minutes
12:08:12 <kaz> s/my mic does not work but I said yes :D//
12:08:54 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:08:55 <cris> seb: we discussed about meeting scheduled and announcements of workshops
12:09:02 <cris> ... tpac
12:09:15 <cris> ... changes in the IG charter
12:09:16 <Ege> ok :) next one on me then
12:09:40 <cris> ... status of W3C smart cities workshop
12:10:02 <kaz> s/ok :) next one on me then//
12:10:19 <kaz> i|we discussed|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/07/28-wot-minutes.html July-28|
12:10:30 <kaz> s/discussed about/discussed/
12:10:37 <cris> ... publication planning, keep our eyes on the deadline
12:10:39 <kaz> s/scheduled/schedules/
12:11:00 <cris> ... as usual TF reports
12:11:09 <cris> ... any comments about the minutes?
12:11:22 <cris> ... minutes approved
12:11:33 <cris> topic: Quick updates
12:11:54 <cris> seb: please refer to the wiki about meeting cancellations
12:12:05 <cris> ... they are valid only for August
12:12:37 <cris> ... there's some exceptions like Scripting API and Use Case
12:12:56 <cris> ... this call and the TD call
12:13:09 <cris> ... TD call will also happen next week
12:13:18 <cris> ... mostly about binding topics
12:13:23 <kaz> i|please refer|subtopic: Meeting cancellations|
12:13:31 <kaz> i|please refer|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations Cancellations|
12:14:03 <cris> ... after 30 August we'll start again with the regular schedule
12:14:08 <cris> ... any comments?
12:14:28 <cris> subtopic: announcement
12:14:45 <kaz> s/announcement/DIoT Workshop/
12:14:52 <cris> seb: Discovery IoT workshop is calling for papers
12:15:10 <cris> ... deadline is the first of September
12:15:26 <cris> ... please share on your social media
12:16:24 <cris> cris: thank you for mentioning it
12:16:39 <cris> ... there was a tweet proposal, is it live?
12:16:43 <cris> seb: it seems not
12:16:50 <cris> ege: it should be on mccool
12:18:18 <sebastian>  At the International Workshop on the Discovery on the Internet of Things (https://bit.ly/DIoTWS) on Nov 8-12, Michael McCool will be giving a keynote on the WoT Discovery process and API.
12:18:25 <dape> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-ig/2021Jul/0016.html
12:19:12 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
12:19:14 <cris> seb: it would be better to have a tweet specifically about the call for paper
12:19:21 <cris> cris: it would be even better
12:19:28 <kaz> s/html/html McCool's last comments/
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12:19:39 <cris> dape: the tweet below is supposed to be extended
12:19:58 <cris> seb: yes but it focused on the keynote rather than the conference itself or cfp
12:20:28 <cris> ege: if we do two tweets it might be problematic to ping in the top feed in the website
12:20:46 <cris> ... I suggest to merge them in one
12:20:53 <cris> seb: I little bit too long
12:21:32 <cris> ege: anyhow I'll send it in the mailing list asap
12:21:42 <cris> subtopic: TPAC
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12:22:00 <cris> seb: we have already a wiki for that
12:22:20 <sebastian> https://doodle.com/poll/c48w8m4naxfnzw5n
12:22:20 <cris> ... please submit your preference for the Test fest in the doodle pool below
12:22:27 <cris> s/below/above/
12:22:50 <cris> ... once we have it we can plan other meetings
12:23:06 <cris> ... currently there's just a copied content from the previous TPAC
12:23:45 <cris> ... we should focus on meeting about open topics critical to our purposes
12:23:54 <cris> ... like with the json-ld group
12:24:02 <cris> ... about the TD round-tripping
12:25:02 <cris> kaz: given the deadline is September 10, please put your preference as soon as possible
12:25:12 <cris> ... then I'll create another one to pick the actual time
12:25:41 <cris> seb: by September 8 we'll have our final decision
12:25:49 <cris> subtopic: IG Charter
12:26:05 <cris> seb: it is important since it is expiring
12:26:22 <cris> ... mccool did small updates
12:26:30 <cris> ... I am asking the round to merge it
12:26:44 <cris> ... he added sustainability topic
12:26:45 <Ege> to which email should I send the tweet @kaz?
12:27:00 <cris> ... no templates already addressed in the current charter
12:27:25 <cris> ... new security topics
12:27:28 <Ege> I couldn't find that the email thread sadly
12:27:28 <Ege> ah
12:28:03 <cris> ... and implementation guides, very important to increase technology adherence
12:28:14 <cris> ... we already agreed on this PR
12:28:37 <cris> ... any objections?
12:29:43 <kaz> q+
12:31:43 <cris> kaz: The diagram image is a little bit too big, I'll try to fix it
12:32:15 <sebastian> q?
12:32:24 <cris> ... other comments?
12:33:11 <sebastian> proposal: group agrees on the new draft of the IG charter which will be submitted to the W3M
12:34:08 <sebastian> resolution: group agrees on the new draft of the IG charter which will be submitted to the W3M https://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-ig-2021-proposed.html
12:34:51 <cris> kaz: please just note before bring up to the W3M we have to finish the process on Github
12:35:07 <cris> subtopic: WG charter
12:35:07 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/274 strategy funnel issue 274
12:35:18 <cris> seb: it should be renewed too
12:35:27 <kaz> s/subtopic: WG charter//
12:35:31 <cris> ... do we need TD 2.0 or Discovery 1.1?
12:35:32 <kaz> i/it should be/subtopic: WG charter/
12:35:45 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:35:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:35:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:35:55 <cris> ... there's an issue open for proposals / ideas
12:36:30 <cris> subtopic: new teewt
12:36:36 <sebastian> At the International Workshop on the Discovery on the Internet of Things (https://bit.ly/DIoTWS) on Nov 8-12, Michael McCool will be giving a keynote on the WoT Discovery process and API. The Call for Papers is also online with a deadline of 01.09.2021. @DIoT82564518 #IoT
12:36:46 <cris> s/new teewt/new tweet/
12:37:11 <sebastian> +1
12:37:42 <cris> dape: just a sma comment about the date, is it right?
12:37:43 <sebastian> Sep 1, 2021
12:38:00 <cris> #DIoT2021
12:38:30 <cris> cris: can you use also the hashtag above?
12:38:39 <cris> ege: it seems that it fits
12:38:45 <Ege> At the International Workshop on the Discovery on the Internet of Things (https://bit.ly/DIoTWS) on Nov 8-12, Michael McCool will be giving a keynote on the WoT Discovery process and API. The Call for Papers is also online with a deadline of Sep 1. @DIoT82564518 #IoT #DIoT2021
12:38:57 <cris> seb: is it ok to publish this tweet?
12:39:02 <sebastian> any objections?
12:39:10 <sebastian> no
12:39:22 <cris> seb: approved
12:39:26 <cris> ege: published
12:39:29 <Ege> https://twitter.com/W3C_WoT/status/1422899943212265481
12:39:44 <cris> subtopic: smart city workshop
12:39:51 <cris> seb: no official report
12:40:00 <dape> s/just a sma/just a small
12:40:17 <cris> kaz: I actually updated the report based on the feedback that I recieved
12:40:26 <cris> ... it is ready to be published
12:40:26 <Ege> by the way, I think that https://twitter.com/lmy441900 has a bot liking and retweeting every tweet of us :D
12:41:43 <cris> seb: how is the process for the chair selection?
12:41:58 <cris> kaz: I'll send the request to workshop committee
12:42:06 <cris> ... it is quite an hard role
12:42:09 <kaz> q?
12:42:13 <kaz> ack k
12:42:37 <cris> subtopic: testing before CR transition
12:42:50 <cris> seb: no updates, I just know that mccool is working on this
12:43:10 <cris> ege: form what I remember he updated the tool chain to use the playground outputs
12:43:16 <cris> ... we added new assertion tests
12:43:33 <cris> ... also we are waiting for the TD spec to be frozen
12:43:49 <cris> seb: ok let's wait then
12:44:14 <cris> topic: pubblication planning
12:44:28 <cris> seb: we should define the milestones for the extesions
12:45:55 <cris> ... please use the calculator tool to obtain the different dates for transitions
12:46:05 <cris> topic: liasons
12:46:22 <cris> seb: any news from ITU-T?
12:46:55 <cris> kaz: after the vacation season we can continue the discussion about possible collaboration for plugfests and testing
12:47:11 <cris> ... still ongoing
12:47:18 <cris> seb: echonet?
12:47:34 <cris> kaz: we received the use case proposal.
12:47:42 <cris> ... we can continue to review it
12:48:23 <cris> seb: ISO TC184/SC4
12:48:26 <cris> kaz: ongoing
12:48:38 <cris> seb: related to ECLASS
12:48:48 <cris> seb: eclass have submitted an use case
12:48:58 <cris> ... se below
12:49:20 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/140
12:50:38 <cris> seb: intresting because is a retail use case
12:51:25 <cris> ege: are they using sematic just by referencing a document?
12:52:39 <cris> ... is not the first time I am seeing this
12:52:54 <cris> ... do we need to introduce such mechanism
12:53:02 <cris> seb: is not really a document
12:53:09 <cris> ... is the real vocabulary term
12:53:21 <cris> ... they will the RDF document
12:54:26 <cris> cris: I've seen in the json schema core spec
12:54:35 <cris> s/in/this in/
12:54:50 <cris> seb: maybe we can bring this up again with Christian
12:54:56 <cris> ... only 5 minutes left
12:54:56 <kaz> q+
12:55:25 <cris> seb: OPC UA we had a guest from OPC UA
12:55:36 <cris> ... but we'll continue the discussion after the vacations
12:55:56 <cris> kaz: updated the picture size
12:55:57 <Ege> @cris : are DIoT proceedings published with the internet of things conference?
12:56:13 <kaz> s/size/size for the draft IG Charter/
12:56:14 <Ege> perfect
12:56:15 <cris> topic: TF Reports
12:56:22 <cris> subtopic: Scripting
12:56:41 <cris> dape: we'll have a meeting next week
12:57:06 <cris> ... an issue that keep us busy is if the writeproperty should return a value
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12:57:16 <cris> ... it touches also other TF
12:57:17 <kaz> i/updated/topic: IG Charter - revisited/
12:57:28 <cris> ... I suggest to move the discussion on TD
12:57:34 <cris> seb: no security call
12:57:37 <cris> ... no discovery call
12:57:39 <kaz> i|updated|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-ig-2021-proposed.html draft IG Charter|
12:57:41 <cris> ... marketing cancelled
12:57:57 <cris> subtopic: Use cases
12:58:13 <cris> ege: we had two presentations from connexus
12:58:22 <cris> ... a recap of 2021
12:59:01 <kaz> s/ from connexus/, one from connexus and another from echonet./
12:59:02 <cris> ... there will be a followup where they are going present concrete use-cases based on end users stories
12:59:06 <cris> ... then echonet
12:59:28 <kaz> s/a recap/connexus presentation was a recap/
12:59:34 <cris> ... how well can we present a set of affordances from different things?
12:59:57 <cris> how to represent this with a TD
13:00:05 <cris> s/how/... how/
13:00:17 <cris> ... we need to work on if we want full compatibility
13:00:18 <kaz> q+
13:00:28 <cris> ... not when the discussion will continue
13:00:35 <cris> s/not/not sure/
13:00:49 <cris> kaz: the conclusion was to merge the PR and continue later based on that
13:00:55 <cris> subtopic: Thing Description
13:01:02 <kaz> s/later/further discussion/
13:01:04 <cris> seb: small typo fixes
13:01:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:01:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:01:24 <cris> ... topics regarding actions and async actions
13:01:40 <cris> ... how to query action state
13:02:02 <cris> ... finding a way to initialize the connection
13:02:19 <kaz> s/no official report/official report to be published/
13:02:23 <cris> ... form is mandatory and is problematic
13:02:31 <cris> ... we decided to make it optional for ws
13:02:39 <kaz> i/any news from ITU-T/subtopic: ITU-T/
13:02:47 <cris> ... it could led to backward compatibility problems
13:02:56 <kaz> i/seb: echonet?/subtopic: ECHONET/
13:02:57 <cris> ... but it would be nice to solve
13:03:04 <cris> ... we'll continue the discussion today
13:03:10 <cris> subtopic: Architecture
13:03:16 <kaz> i|ISO TC184|subtopic: ISO TC 184/SC4|
13:03:34 <cris> seb: I joined late
13:03:49 <cris> ... async actions
13:03:56 <cris> kaz: yes
13:04:10 <cris> ... and events
13:04:26 <cris> ... and which version of SSE should use
13:04:43 <cris> s/should use/should we use/
13:05:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:05:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:06:14 <cris> cris: Ben proposed a new process for approval of PRs
13:06:23 <cris> ... did you have the chance to review it?
13:06:39 <cris> kaz: we need more participant to decide such thing
13:06:39 <kaz> i/eclass have submitted/subtopic: ECLASS/
13:06:52 <cris> seb: yeah, I'll put it on the backlog
13:07:05 <kaz> i/OPC UA we had/subtopi: OPC UA/
13:07:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:07:48 <kaz> i|no security all|subtopic: Security/Discovery|
13:08:07 <kaz> i|marketing cancelled|subtopic: Marketing|
13:08:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:08:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:08:30 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:08:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:08:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:08:47 <kaz> i|no security call|subtopic: Security/Discovery|
13:09:07 <kaz> s#i|no security call|subtopic: Security/Discovery|##
13:09:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:09:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:09:43 <kaz> i|seb: no security call|subtopic: Security/Discovery|
13:09:50 <kaz> s#i|no security all|subtopic: Security/Discovery|##
13:09:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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