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13:24:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:24:48 <trackbot> Date: 29 July 2021
13:24:49 <addison> agendabot, find agenda
13:24:50 <agendabot> addison, OK. This may take a minute...
13:24:51 <agendabot> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Jul/0032.html
13:24:51 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:24:51 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:24:51 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:24:53 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:24:55 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:24:57 <agendabot> agenda+ Localizable Manifests FPWD?
13:24:57 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:25:00 <agendabot> agenda+ "Awaiting Comment Resolution" reviews
13:25:02 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:25:31 <addison> agenda+ Updates to HTML/CSS techniques and an article
13:25:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:53:27 <addison> present+
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13:56:51 <addison> present+ Fuqiao
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14:01:47 <addison> present+ Richard, Atsushi
14:03:05 <addison> present+ Bert
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14:03:52 <addison> present+ Felix
14:04:07 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:04:07 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:09 <addison> agenda?
14:04:45 <addison> agenda+ geolocation
14:04:59 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:04:59 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:10 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:05:25 <atsushi> addison: jump into action items, couple of documentation items
14:05:25 <JcK> present+ JcK
14:05:58 <addison> action-1031?
14:05:58 <trackbot> action-1031 -- Addison Phillips to Document the state of payment-request -- due 2021-06-03 -- OPEN
14:05:58 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1031
14:06:05 <addison> close action-1031
14:06:05 <trackbot> Closed action-1031.
14:06:11 <atsushi> addison: 1031 done while ago
14:07:02 <atsushi> ... 1048 create to WebAuthn, get another email from Wendy, and will have a call next week
14:07:09 <addison> action-1049?
14:07:09 <trackbot> action-1049 -- Addison Phillips to Close open completed reviews -- due 2021-07-22 -- OPEN
14:07:09 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1049
14:07:13 <addison> close action-1049
14:07:13 <trackbot> Closed action-1049.
14:07:15 <atsushi> ... 1049 I did
14:07:54 <addison> action-1050?
14:07:54 <trackbot> action-1050 -- Addison Phillips to Merge string-meta changes pending richard's review of the glossary changes -- due 2021-07-22 -- OPEN
14:07:54 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1050
14:08:09 <addison> agenda+ paragraph direction in glossary
14:08:12 <atsushi> r12a: 1050 want to raise review from group on proposed change
14:08:24 <atsushi> addison: added as agenda
14:08:34 <addison> action-1052?
14:08:34 <trackbot> action-1052 -- Richard Ishida to Investigate glossary linking solutions, e.g. marcos's -- due 2021-07-29 -- OPEN
14:08:34 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1052
14:08:46 <atsushi> r12a: 1052 investigation on going
14:09:09 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:09:09 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:09:51 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:59 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:10:07 <atsushi> addison: no new incoming
14:10:30 <atsushi> ... xfq done DOM, is there anything review there
14:10:54 <atsushi> xfq: I've took a look, and found any issue about the changes to the last review draft
14:11:01 <atsushi> ... remaining two open issues
14:11:18 <xfq__> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3As%3Adom
14:11:24 <atsushi> ... seems not a blocker for release
14:12:06 <atsushi> addison: move to completed (no objection from attendee)
14:12:33 <atsushi> ... will take an action to notify the WG
14:12:46 <addison> action: addison: notify that DOM review completed with no new issues (outstanding issues remain open for future work)
14:12:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1054 - Notify that dom review completed with no new issues (outstanding issues remain open for future work) [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-08-05].
14:12:59 <addison> agenda?
14:13:18 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:13:18 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Localizable Manifests FPWD? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:13:43 <atsushi> addison: we have a repo, in a position to add references
14:13:57 <atsushi> ... a bit work to be done before publication on documents
14:14:29 <atsushi> ... do we put this into /TR/ now?
14:14:47 <addison> move to publish localizable-manifest as FPWD
14:14:57 <addison> +1
14:14:57 <fsasaki> +1
14:14:58 <atsushi> +1
14:15:00 <xfq__> +1
14:15:01 <r12a> 0
14:15:01 <Bert> +1
14:15:13 <JcK> 0 -- I have no competence to have an opinion about this
14:15:52 <atsushi> r12a: haven't looked much, so 0
14:16:08 <atsushi> addison: it's just a FPWD
14:16:10 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/localizable-manifests/
14:16:25 <addison> RESOLVED: publish localizable-manifests as a first public working draft
14:16:25 <atsushi> r12a: that's why not -1 but 0
14:16:50 <atsushi> addison: who to take an action?
14:17:04 <atsushi> ... I will
14:17:20 <addison> action: addison: publish localizable-manifests as FPWD with help from richard
14:17:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1055 - Publish localizable-manifests as fpwd with help from richard [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-08-05].
14:17:27 <addison> agenda?
14:17:48 <xfq__> https://github.com/w3c/localizable-manifests/issues/5
14:18:07 <atsushi> xfq: this is a well used approach
14:18:27 <atsushi> addison: there are several approaches on this,
14:18:48 <atsushi> ... some recommendations could be here, but not as must
14:19:49 <atsushi> ... PR and/or suggestions are welcome
14:20:06 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
14:20:06 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- paragraph direction in glossary -- taken up [from addison]
14:20:23 <atsushi> addison: let's jump into this quickly
14:20:47 <xfq__> s/this is a well used approach/Several common approaches are currently listed in the document. Should we recommend one of them?/
14:20:57 <addison> https://aphillips.github.io/string-meta/#dfn-paragraph-direction
14:21:28 <atsushi> addison: after discussion, we've learned on dir for paragraph or block of text
14:21:40 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-glossary/pull/5/files
14:21:57 <atsushi> ... PR raised to move some text into glossary, for proposed definition
14:22:41 <addison> agenda?
14:22:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:22:51 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- geolocation -- taken up [from addison]
14:23:06 <r12a> ACTION: richard to publish the paragraph direction definition
14:23:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1056 - Publish the paragraph direction definition [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-08-05].
14:23:13 <xfq__> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/941
14:23:17 <atsushi> xfq: we have one open tracker issue, on error message
14:23:23 <xfq__> https://github.com/w3c/geolocation-api/issues/50
14:23:40 <atsushi> ... Marcos has closed WG issue, and also filed into WebIDL issue
14:23:57 <atsushi> ... I'd want to ask whether it is ok to close tracker issue on geolocation, as CR-blocker
14:24:12 <atsushi> addison: what's the current text?
14:24:14 <xfq__> https://w3c.github.io/geolocation-api/#position_error_interface
14:24:45 <atsushi> xfq: this subsection, added note as don't show this message to user interface etc.
14:25:18 <r12a> seems ok to me
14:25:34 <r12a> basically, this is debugging comments
14:25:37 <atsushi> +1
14:25:39 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/geolocation-api/#message-attribute
14:26:05 <atsushi> addison: don't think any additional is needed
14:26:22 <atsushi> ... also WebIDL might be fixed near future
14:27:05 <addison> agenda?
14:27:18 <r12a> Resolution: close the issue
14:27:19 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:27:19 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Updates to HTML/CSS techniques and an article -- taken up [from addison]
14:27:42 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/techniques/authoring-html
14:28:05 <atsushi> r12a: changed styling last week, introduction on selecter
14:28:20 <atsushi> s/introduction on/introduced /
14:28:52 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/techniques/authoring-html#liststyle
14:29:12 <atsushi> r12a: this link points to styling counter part
14:29:32 <atsushi> ... link to article in MDN, and they link back to our counter-style collection
14:29:59 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/techniques/authoring-html.en#liststyle
14:30:49 <atsushi> r12a: links to MDN can introduce readers on how-to documents, and no need to be included into here
14:31:49 <atsushi> addison: looks good to me
14:32:34 <atsushi> felix: listing do-s, but not don't-s?
14:33:03 <atsushi> r12a: by default no don't-s, but if there is any preference...
14:33:39 <atsushi> jck: consistency is more important
14:34:44 <r12a> https://github.com/mdn/content/issues/7295
14:34:55 <atsushi> r12a: sounds like no strong push back, go as is
14:35:06 <r12a> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/text-align
14:35:17 <atsushi> r12a: another point is text-align start/end value
14:35:43 <atsushi> ... how these work on left alignment and right alignment et.c
14:36:43 <atsushi> bert: majority of people use no more than two language, and use left/right in existing ones
14:37:25 <atsushi> r12a: most of people who don't use start/end, on porting into another language they will get issues
14:37:47 <atsushi> ... also I have never feel difficult to understand other logical properties
14:38:25 <atsushi> ... like for vertical writing, logical could work automatically
14:39:03 <atsushi> ... could happen something like translated contents
14:40:03 <atsushi> bert: two issues, want to tell left as left, I don't feel most of people need to use these
14:41:38 <atsushi> r12a: considering translator, using left and right have context and it could lead difficulty to handle text
14:42:08 <atsushi> jck: that should be a mixed problem
14:43:16 <atsushi> r12a: you also need to think about page layout, in arabic book or vertical book
14:44:16 <atsushi> addison: for Bert's point, if you are preparing a page for specific language, using left/right could be an issue on usability
14:44:50 <atsushi> ... for my task, using in another language, left vs start could have some harm
14:45:30 <atsushi> ... in general, super agreement on logical keyword should be used
14:46:26 <atsushi> ... another hand, most developer's reaction could be using left is easily understandable
14:46:47 <atsushi> r12a: we are about to offer advice, if they don't want follow it should be fine
14:47:44 <atsushi> ... personally I feel writing an advice is helpful
14:49:03 <atsushi> r12a: CSS writing techniques document is different from spec
14:49:34 <r12a> ACTION: Richard to add more information about using left/right as well as start/end
14:49:34 <atsushi> addison: first, any action item we need to take on this topic?
14:49:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1057 - Add more information about using left/right as well as start/end [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-08-05].
14:50:32 <addison> agenda?
14:50:55 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:50:55 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- "Awaiting Comment Resolution" reviews -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:51:31 <atsushi> addison: number of items here, I've proposed to close
14:51:41 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Jul/0032.html
14:51:43 <atsushi> ... in the list in agenda email
14:52:12 <atsushi> addison: more time to review these?
14:53:15 <atsushi> ... next week to start with these by working through?
14:53:22 <atsushi> r12a: +1
14:53:39 <addison> Topic: AOB?
14:54:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:54:34 <addison> zakim, who is here?
14:54:34 <Zakim> Present: addison, Fuqiao, Richard, Atsushi, Bert, Felix, JcK
14:54:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see fsasaki, xfq__, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, atsushi, agendabot, trackbot, koji, sangwhan, astearns, hadleybeeman, bigbluehat, Mek, florian, cwilso, hsivonen,
14:54:36 <Zakim> ... Bert
14:54:41 <addison> zakim, bye
14:54:41 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been addison, Fuqiao, Richard, Atsushi, Bert, Felix, JcK
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15:07:55 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
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