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12:03:32 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#28_July_2021
12:03:38 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
12:03:43 <kaz> chair: McCool
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12:04:34 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally
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12:06:53 <dape> scribe: dape
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12:07:33 <dape> TOPIC: Minutes
12:07:47 <dape> --> July-21 main call -> https://www.w3.org/2021/07/21-wot-minutes.html
12:08:04 <dape> MMC: Minor fix "on fly" -> "in progress"
12:08:22 <dape> ... looks good elsewise
12:08:26 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster, Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:08:40 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:08:44 <dape> ... BTW, the actions in minutes are all done
12:08:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:08:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:09:01 <dape> ... no objections -> minutes approved
12:09:15 <dape> SUBTOPIC: June vF2F minutes
12:09:23 <dape> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/21-30-wot-vf2f-minutes.html
12:09:39 <dape> MMC: Minutes are all reviewed by now
12:10:13 <McCool> proposal: publish minutes for June 2021 F2F as given in https://www.w3.org/2021/06/21-30-wot-vf2f-minutes.html
12:10:30 <dape> Kaz: Looks good
12:10:53 <McCool> resolution: publish minutes for June 2021 F2F as given in https://www.w3.org/2021/06/21-30-wot-vf2f-minutes.html
12:11:05 <dape> MMC: no objections -> merge
12:11:16 <dape> TOPIC: Quick updates
12:11:26 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Meeting schedule for August
12:11:37 <dape> MMC: people on vacation next week
12:11:45 <dape> ... Sebastian on vacation the week after
12:11:56 <dape> ... we will cancel most of the calls..
12:12:30 <kaz> i|people|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations Meeting cancellation plan|
12:12:40 <dape> ... see exceptions https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations
12:13:02 <dape> SUBTOPIC: DIoT Workshop
12:13:12 <dape> -> https://oeg-upm.github.io/DIoT/
12:13:34 <kaz> q+
12:13:40 <dape> MMC: conflicts with TPAC
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12:14:18 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:14:34 <dape> ... how can we handle DIoT  workshop
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12:14:38 <dape> ... doing tweet?
12:14:46 <dape> ... on the WoT channel
12:14:51 <dape> SK: maybe also use the mailinglist
12:14:58 <Ege> q+
12:15:05 <kaz> ack k
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12:15:25 <Ege> https://dai-snac21.hotcrp.com/
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12:15:31 <dape> Ege: there is another workshop, see link above
12:15:39 <dape> ... organized by Carsten Bormann
12:16:03 <dape> ... Victor is active also
12:16:16 <dape> MMC: Question: we should add this to the event list...
12:16:22 <kaz> ack e
12:16:24 <dape> .... or under "related events"
12:16:40 <mlagally> q?
12:16:48 <kaz> i/dai-snac/subtopic: Another workshop/
12:16:53 <dape> ... we still have some time for tweet wording
12:17:34 <dape> MMC: I take the action to generate a proposal
12:17:50 <Ege> https://dai-snac21.hotcrp.com/
12:18:01 <McCool> https://oeg-upm.github.io/DIoT/
12:18:17 <dape> MMC: let's handle that by email
12:18:24 <dape> ... approve next week in main call
12:18:34 <dape> SUBTOPIC: TPAC 2021 planning
12:18:39 <dape> MMC: TPAC in October
12:18:43 <dape> ... online event
12:18:57 <dape> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_October_2021
12:19:18 <dape> ... we have some dates...
12:19:23 <kaz> s/_2021/_2021 October vF2F wiki/
12:19:30 <dape> ... doodle for week, see https://doodle.com/poll/c48w8m4naxfnzw5n
12:19:45 <dape> ... Oct. 4-8 (week before breakouts)
12:19:52 <dape> ... TPAC Official: Oct. 18-22 - Breakouts
12:20:00 <dape> ... TPAC Official: Oct. 25-29 - Group/Joint Mtgs
12:20:23 <dape> ... we also need to decide TestFest dates
12:21:08 <dape> ... tentative content in wiki already
12:22:53 <dape> MCC: Some issues in header of Doodle
12:22:58 <dape> Kaz: will fix
12:23:17 <dape> s/in header/in header (dates)
12:24:09 <dape> MMC: should decide weeks next week
12:24:30 <kaz> s/will fix/just fixed/
12:24:31 <dape> SUBTOPIC: IG Charter
12:24:46 <dape> MMC: we have draft
12:25:10 <dape> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-ig-2021-proposed.html
12:26:14 <kaz> s/html/html draft IG Charter/
12:26:21 <dape> ... added "develop supporting material..." to the scope
12:26:45 <dape> ... thing template was taken out... handled in TD
12:26:58 <dape> ... added security requirements
12:27:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:27:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:27:17 <dape> ... added Sustainability
12:27:37 <kaz> chair: McCool/Sebastian
12:27:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:27:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:28:01 <dape> ... added tutorials next to primers
12:29:06 <dape> MMC: Any comments on PR#979
12:29:15 <dape> ... should merge next week
12:29:19 <McCool> q
12:29:20 <McCool> ?
12:29:21 <dape> ... last week of review
12:29:27 <dape> q?
12:29:54 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WG Charter
12:30:06 <dape> MMC: To be renewed also
12:30:22 <dape> ... time-wise not that critical
12:30:28 <dape> ... anyhow, should start work
12:30:53 <dape> ... discussion about whether extension or re-chartering
12:31:03 <dape> ... re-chartering gives more time
12:31:18 <dape> ... but I would  rather like to extend
12:32:24 <dape> Kaz: important: need to get chartered for any activity
12:32:38 <dape> MMC: assume we go for extension
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12:33:11 <dape> kaz: extension longer than 6 months requires AC review
12:33:22 <dape> MMC: suggest 6 month (no AC review)
12:34:04 <dape> ... July 1st, .. for extension start
12:34:43 <dape> Kaz: let's also check with all editors about milestones
12:34:59 <dape> MMC: Okay. Let's first do IG than WG charter
12:35:07 <dape> SUBTOPIC: W3C Smart Cities Workshop
12:35:14 <dape> -> https://w3c.github.io/smartcities-workshop/report.html
12:35:26 <dape> Kaz: updated report and asked for review
12:35:39 <dape> ... will add some more classification
12:35:43 <dape> ... we get close
12:35:54 <dape> MMC: will do another path to review also
12:35:57 <kaz> s/we get/we're getting/
12:36:17 <dape> MMC: Plans to finalize?
12:36:32 <dape> Kaz: wrap-up by this week...
12:36:52 <dape> ... final videos et cetera in August
12:36:53 <kaz> s/wrap-up/wrap-up the report/
12:37:10 <dape> TOPIC: Testing needed prior to CR transition
12:37:24 <dape> MMC: Plan to clean-up tooling
12:37:43 <dape> ... e.g., directory structure
12:37:46 <kaz> s/final videos/distribute the recorded live videos and update the draft Smart Cities IG Charter/
12:38:13 <dape> ... we still need implementation descriptions
12:38:22 <kaz> s/report.html/report.html draft workshop report/
12:38:44 <dape> ... copy over testing structure?
12:38:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:38:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:39:04 <dape> ... w.r.t. testing call... I do not have time
12:39:18 <dape> ... in September we should have weekly testing calls
12:39:42 <kaz> s/by this week.../by the end of this week./
12:40:12 <dape> MMC: 1 outstanding PR in testing repo
12:40:15 <dape> ... we should merge soon
12:40:21 <dape> ... Ege, can you take a look
12:40:24 <dape> Ege: will check
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12:40:57 <dape> MMC: I will take a look also
12:41:03 <dape> TOPIC: Publication planning
12:41:21 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/ Milestone calculator
12:41:23 <dape> MMC: we do have Milestone calculator, see https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/
12:41:41 <kaz> s|-> https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/ Milestone calculator||
12:41:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:41:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:41:55 <dape> ... takes care of certain restrictions
12:42:14 <dape> ... no pending publication at the moment
12:42:31 <dape> ... in security and discovery we are still not ready for publication
12:42:43 <dape> ... aim for publication in September
12:42:53 <dape> TOPIC: Liaisons
12:43:03 <dape> MMC: we did have some calls in use-case call
12:43:12 <kaz> q+
12:43:18 <dape> ... summary of OPCUA discussion`?
12:43:33 <dape> SK: Had presentation from OPCUA
12:43:47 <dape> ... will continue the discussion in next use case call
12:44:05 <dape> kaz: w.r.t. to ECHONET, will talk with ECHONET on Friday
12:44:18 <dape> ... w.r.t. ISO also discussions planned
12:44:41 <dape> MMC: eClass dependency on ISO
12:44:53 <dape> SK: We will have document from Christian
12:45:04 <dape> ... will also talk with David Eizel
12:45:06 <dape> DE: +1
12:45:25 <kaz> s/discussion planned/will send a reminder to them about the next step about how to refer to their ontology from TD via @context/
12:45:28 <dape> s/Eizel/Ezell/
12:45:37 <kaz> s/eClass/ECLASS/
12:46:07 <dape> SK: BACnet also of importance
12:46:48 <dape> MMC: joined call with Solid CG at TPAC
12:46:54 <dape> ... let's discuss in September
12:46:59 <dape> TOPIC: TF Reports
12:47:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:47:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:47:17 <dape> SUPTOPIC: Scripting
12:48:14 <dape> DP: Split TS about TD and API
12:48:19 <dape> SUPTOPIC: Security
12:48:33 <dape> MMC: long discussion about NETCONF
12:49:16 <dape> ... make use OPC-UA security key distribution system ?
12:49:16 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security-best-practices/issues/13
12:49:25 <dape> SUPTOPIC: Discovery
12:49:30 <dape> MMC: clean-up work
12:49:40 <dape> .. we closed about 10 issues
12:49:50 <dape> ... and created more specific issues
12:50:10 <dape> SUPTOPIC: Marketing
12:50:18 <dape> SK: Checked website and merged PRs
12:50:23 <dape> ... new entries in developer space
12:50:34 <dape> ... e.g. sayWOT
12:50:46 <dape> ... talked about news .. e.g. on twitter
12:50:54 <dape> ... less activity in August
12:51:17 <dape> ... question how to improve visibility
12:51:47 <dape> ... idea to have visitor counter is still on-going
12:52:33 <dape> MMC: BTW, I have updated all repos with new social header
12:52:57 <dape> SUPTOPIC: Use-cases
12:53:12 <dape> ML: we had call yesterday
12:53:21 <dape> ... contribution from OPC-UA member by Siemens
12:53:27 <dape> ... touched technial aspects
12:53:35 <dape> ... continue next week
12:53:44 <dape> ... next week is last call before summer break
12:53:51 <dape> s/technial/technical
12:54:04 <dape> ... we had ECLASS presentation also
12:54:45 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/CONTRIBUTIONS/210726_OPCUA.pdf
12:54:56 <dape> MMC: we have contribution directory
12:55:10 <dape> SUPTOPIC: PlugFest/Testing
12:55:13 <dape> MMC: no call
12:55:17 <dape> SUPTOPIC: TD
12:55:21 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
12:55:31 <kaz> s/pdf/pdf OPC UA slides/
12:55:32 <dape> Ege: we looked mostly into issues
12:56:00 <dape> ... issues are in Agenda and marked as "DONE"
12:56:07 <dape> ... followed up with 3 PRs
12:56:20 <dape> ... some todos followed also
12:56:25 <dape> SUPTOPIC: Architecture
12:56:42 <dape> ML: long discussion about action semantics
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12:56:59 <dape> ... guided by Ben Francis
12:57:10 <dape> ... tomorrow we plan to finish this work.
12:57:26 <dape> ... Note: also last call before summer break
12:57:40 <dape> ... maybe just a one hour call (due to conflicts)
12:58:01 <dape> MMC: I can try to take over the 2nd hour if there is need
12:58:05 <dape> ML: Thanks
12:58:25 <dape> TOPIC: AOB
12:58:42 <dape> DE: Nicholson to join meeting?
12:59:13 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_UseCase_WebConf Use Case call wiki
12:59:14 <dape> MMC: Should check with ML
12:59:26 <dape> ML: Join use-case call?
13:00:03 <dape> MMC: or wait till September?
13:00:27 <kaz> i|Should|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf Architecture call wiki|
13:01:06 <dape> MMC: no testing call, TD call in 1 hour
13:01:17 <kaz> i|Should|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_Page#WebConf_Meetings Meeting time table|
13:01:47 <dape> s/Nicholson/Jack Dickinson
13:02:10 <kaz> [adjourned]
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13:02:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:03:13 <kaz> s/to join meeting/to join the Use Cases call or the Architecture call?/
13:03:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:03:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
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