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12:51:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:51:55 <trackbot> Date: 28 July 2021
12:51:57 <jasonjgw> agenda+ XR Accessibility User Requirements: issues and publication request.
12:51:57 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.
12:51:57 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization accessibility User Requirements.
12:51:57 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
12:52:07 <jasonjgw> present+
12:52:10 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:03:00 <Joshue108> present+
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13:04:55 <SteveNoble> present+
13:05:03 <Judy> present+
13:05:09 <scott_h> present+
13:05:24 <Joshue108> agenda+ Planning on User Requirements documents
13:05:54 <Joshue108> Scribe: Joshue108
13:06:20 <Judy> present+ Raja
13:06:32 <Judy> present+ Ted
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13:08:38 <janina> present+
13:08:40 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:08:40 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- XR Accessibility User Requirements: issues and publication request. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:09:12 <Joshue108> JW: Josh has published a commit URI to consider for publication by APA
13:09:13 <Joshue108> http://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/458e82b2ce737120d774dc3f2f1d26fec070415f/xaur/index.html
13:09:36 <Joshue108> JW: APA will produce a Call For Consensus
13:09:49 <Joshue108> The question is if there are reasons to not publish.
13:10:02 <Joshue108> JS: To clarify, the request would be to publish this as a W3C note.
13:10:22 <Joshue108> <Gives overview on what this means>
13:10:27 <Joshue108> JW: Any concerns?
13:10:39 <Raja> No concerns
13:10:51 <Joshue108> SH: I saw the email - had a look - 2 years in the making and good to go.
13:11:04 <Joshue108> JW: Thanks for that
13:11:32 <Joshue108> JB: Checks the acknowedgements.
13:11:55 <Joshue108> <Gives overview on recent contribs>
13:12:22 <Joshue108> JOC: Yes, I updated contributors list
13:12:29 <Joshue108> JS: Anyone need more time?
13:12:38 <Joshue108> JW: I've bee through it in detail.
13:12:48 <Joshue108> s/bee/been
13:13:07 <Joshue108> JS: We can still accept editorial comments.
13:13:19 <Joshue108> These are not substantive.
13:13:43 <Joshue108> If we are confident then this group should log a formal resolution
13:14:18 <Joshue108> JS: Everyone here can vote on the CFC on the APA admin list
13:14:33 <Joshue108> The CFC will go out today and last ~ a week
13:15:03 <Joshue108> JW: Have heard no requests for review etc
13:16:00 <Joshue108> RESOLUTION: RQTF requests APA issues a CFC to publish XAUR http://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/458e82b2ce737120d774dc3f2f1d26fec070415f/xaur/index.html as a W3C NOTE
13:16:33 <Joshue108> JS: Now please vote!
13:16:50 <Joshue108> When you get the email from APA admin, give it a plus one and send.
13:17:03 <Raja> Ok
13:17:15 <Joshue108> JW: Janina will write the CFC today
13:17:42 <Joshue108> JW: This is ready for APA review and consideration after much work.
13:17:55 <Joshue108> Thanks to all who contributed in various ways.
13:18:02 <Joshue108> All the better and stronger for it.
13:18:13 <Joshue108> As XR has a growing role.
13:18:24 <Joshue108> JS: Regarding messaging Josh?
13:18:32 <Joshue108> JOC: Yes, happy to say it is.
13:19:14 <Joshue108> TOPIC: Planning on forthcoming publications
13:19:28 <janina> scribe: janina
13:19:51 <janina> jgw: Asks Josh to provide us an overview ...
13:20:22 <janina> Joshue108: So, XAUR is now moving to CfC
13:20:30 <janina> Joshue108: remaining is NAUR and MAUR
13:20:31 <janina> q+
13:20:53 <janina> Joshue108: Want's some sense of our expectations for the remainder of the calendar year
13:21:13 <janina> Joshue108: In part it's important for my funding to get NAUR finished
13:21:32 <janina> Joshue108: acknowledges the emergent SAUR
13:27:17 <Joshue108> JW: March for the NAUR sounds good
13:27:22 <Joshue108> I can contribute
13:27:32 <Joshue108> The current version reflects most of the requirements I'm aware of.
13:27:36 <Joshue108> Solid draft
13:27:44 <janina> jgw: Can devote my employer's time, ETS is interested in this moving forward
13:27:52 <Joshue108> That could be taken to FPWD after issues.
13:28:34 <Joshue108> JS: I've looked at the SAUR in detail this morning, I'm happy with it.
13:28:52 <Joshue108> Some nits, and one substantive thing around synchronising verbiage on glossary
13:29:08 <Joshue108> This may be an issue - audio vs video description
13:29:15 <Joshue108> I think this could go out in August
13:29:17 <Joshue108> q?
13:29:19 <Joshue108> ack jan
13:29:21 <Joshue108> q+
13:29:31 <Joshue108> So we could be done with comments via TPAC
13:29:41 <Joshue108> Steve had some placeholders that were to be filled in.
13:29:54 <Joshue108> Not a barrier but should be addressed
13:30:01 <Joshue108> JS: I didn't see that.
13:30:27 <Joshue108> SN: The only place left where there was a section to add, was at the end in the XR section
13:30:46 <Joshue108> Needs some review to see research on XR synchonisation
13:30:59 <Joshue108> JS: We can do to FPWD without that.
13:31:22 <Joshue108> Hot topic, useful to have an editors draft requesting community comment
13:31:30 <Joshue108> Thats ok in a FPWD
13:31:34 <Joshue108> SN: Ok
13:31:51 <Joshue108> We could take place holder out either.
13:32:19 <Joshue108> Or if the requirements would be different because its XR
13:32:27 <Joshue108> SN: Would need to look to make sure
13:33:05 <Joshue108> JW: We could introduce note - there are some style issues regarding the bibliography etc
13:33:39 <Joshue108> JOC: I can help with formatting etc for FPWD
13:33:51 <Joshue108> JS: Publishing in September would be good
13:34:00 <Joshue108> Could even be up to TPAC.
13:34:31 <Joshue108> JW: Timed text group are expecting the SAUR.
13:35:21 <Joshue108> JOC: Can we publish both?
13:35:43 <Joshue108> JS: I hear the need to finish NAUR, but its important we have a FPWD before TPAC.
13:35:53 <Joshue108> Would be great to get NAUR also published.
13:36:05 <Joshue108> SAUR has an impact on WCAG 3 also.
13:36:15 <Joshue108> We are helping by getting this out.
13:36:32 <Joshue108> q?
13:36:35 <Joshue108> ack me
13:36:50 <Joshue108> JW: Would like to get SAUR done first.
13:37:08 <Joshue108> Want to agree that NAUR can follow
13:37:31 <Joshue108> JW: Not far away - larger issues can be put in as notes.
13:37:57 <Judy> [judy rejoins, and apologizes for the logistical glitch when I had to step off this call to take another, earlier]
13:38:30 <Joshue108> JS: We could probably do it, and publish soon
13:38:46 <Joshue108> Janinas ordering sounds good and could be done within weeks of each other.
13:38:55 <Joshue108> JS: Great chance to solialise
13:39:32 <Joshue108> JOC: I can dedicate time to this when back from hols and we can get SAUR and NAUR ready
13:40:03 <Joshue108> RESOLUTION: RQTF to prioritise a FPWD of SAUR followed by NAUR
13:40:26 <Judy> q+ to comment on remote meetings after Scott's comments
13:40:40 <Joshue108> JOC: Apologies to Scott as I know you wanted to talk about Remote meetings a11y
13:40:51 <Joshue108> SH: All good
13:41:26 <Joshue108> The structured draft has received work since we discussed it.
13:41:41 <Joshue108> All the comments etc have been incorporated, the appendix has been worked through etc
13:41:50 <Joshue108> Lots of things have clicked into place
13:42:07 <Joshue108> Have updated the caption requirements, window resizing and more are updated
13:42:40 <Joshue108> Still things to do, but the question is things around hybrid meetings, presentation etc
13:42:45 <Joshue108> Some items to be done.
13:43:06 <Joshue108> My question is to look at where the space is to look at it and what we want to do.
13:43:25 <Joshue108> There is also the tips section - please do have a look.
13:43:30 <Joshue108> So how to progress?
13:43:34 <Joshue108> JB: Thanks Scott
13:43:52 <Joshue108> Its great to see the notes etc integrated into the doc
13:44:24 <Joshue108> I want to highlight two things, hybrid meetings first...
13:44:46 <Joshue108> There is more granularity needed - you need someone in the room and there are social and technical tips.
13:45:15 <Joshue108> We need some placeholder text at the top of the section - so we dont create an impression that this is comprehensive
13:45:29 <Joshue108> We need to change label on refs, link incorrect.
13:46:18 <Joshue108> JB: Now it is cleaned up RQTF should review
13:46:45 <Joshue108> JW: A question - we have two publication efforts in progress, SAUR and NAUR
13:47:03 <Joshue108> This doc is in a wiki, so its not subject to note track doc review process
13:47:26 <Judy> q+
13:47:44 <Joshue108> where do you see this being published?
13:47:49 <Joshue108> Not clear
13:48:08 <Joshue108> JB: We don't know yet.
13:48:14 <Joshue108> For sure more than a wiki.
13:48:36 <Joshue108> we want to evolve it - not sure if it is NOTE track but could be.
13:48:49 <Joshue108> Could be a WAI resource, happy to hear views.
13:49:06 <Joshue108> SH: I'm happy for it to be more easily edited.
13:49:28 <Joshue108> I think it could be a NOTE
13:49:48 <Joshue108> It does speak to different audience. Could be an education piece.
13:49:53 <Joshue108> There is a demand for this info
13:50:30 <Raja> If I want to disseminate to education  or research, what are the steps?
13:51:08 <Joshue108> JW: To ask if it was to be a resource or NOTE, that would engage wide review etc. When do you think you would have it in an appropriate spot.
13:51:15 <Raja> like -- presentation, poster, or publication
13:51:17 <Judy> q+
13:51:19 <janina> q+
13:51:31 <Joshue108> ack raja
13:52:44 <Joshue108> JB: <Reads Raja's question>
13:52:58 <Joshue108> ack Judy
13:52:58 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to comment on remote meetings after Scott's comments and to  and to
13:53:17 <Joshue108> JB: I'm thinking this is as a working group NOTE- takes time to do that.
13:53:38 <Joshue108> Grabbing comments on wiki stuff can be tricky.
13:53:55 <Joshue108> Rajas comment is good as we needed this over a year ago.
13:54:10 <Joshue108> If we do a formal group NOTE we should have a PR version
13:54:13 <Joshue108> ack jan
13:54:18 <scott_h> q+
13:54:29 <Joshue108> JS: I wanted to speak in favour of NOTE as it is a well known process
13:54:32 <Raja> Q+
13:54:39 <Joshue108> This idea is well socialised
13:55:08 <Joshue108> If we invent something new, we have issues with getting feedback, as well as moving from a wiki to a HTML document
13:55:26 <Joshue108> JS: Not so hard, style sheets are simple. @@Pandoc?
13:55:37 <Judy> s/a year ago/a year ago, and particularly we need to promote awareness of this/
13:55:50 <Joshue108> JW: Not e'one can change a controlled doc
13:56:11 <Joshue108> JW: I can take care of format conversion and work with Scott to make sure its an accessible editing process.
13:56:16 <Joshue108> SH: I can do HTML
13:56:38 <Joshue108> JW: I can get a branch into a repo.
13:56:50 <Joshue108> q?
13:56:54 <Joshue108> ack sc
13:57:17 <Joshue108> SH: The resource was useful to have a year ago etc, but there is also guidance here that has not been implemented
13:57:22 <janina> q+
13:57:35 <Joshue108> It also provides guidance on things that need to be added
13:57:52 <Joshue108> ack Raja
13:58:05 <Joshue108> RK: I was thinking we could share it with the community...
13:58:20 <Joshue108> In research access community, there are user experience reports etc
13:58:36 <Joshue108> that would be good for the wiki. How can we get community feedback in?
13:58:49 <Joshue108> When it comes to education we should include that.
13:59:05 <Judy> q+
13:59:14 <Joshue108> To cover feedback like automatic captioning and show all our collective efforts.
13:59:42 <Joshue108> JW: If we had a FPWD on this, that would help as it is designed to get broad public review etc
13:59:47 <Joshue108> ack jan
14:00:06 <Joshue108> JS: On the messaging we try to get the widest response we can - create that list
14:00:21 <Joshue108> Get comment on what is good and bad
14:00:36 <Joshue108> It would have been good to have it, but we would be versioning it now.
14:00:54 <Joshue108> We've learned a lot - we can put this out and put editors notes where we have questions.
14:01:07 <Joshue108> SH: +1
14:01:39 <Joshue108> JB: Will withhold comment - getting this into education and beyond it important
14:02:11 <Joshue108> trackbot, end meeting
14:02:11 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:02:11 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, Joshue, SteveNoble, Judy, scott_h, Raja, Ted, janina
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14:02:20 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
14:02:21 <Judy> present+ Frances