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15:52:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:52:13 <trackbot> Date: 28 July 2021
15:52:17 <janina> agenda?
15:52:23 <janina> Chair: Becky
15:52:23 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
15:52:23 <janina> agenda+ TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings
15:52:23 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Updates
15:52:23 <janina> agenda+ FAST Progress
15:52:25 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
15:52:28 <janina> agenda+ Accessibility Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
15:52:31 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:52:34 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
15:52:36 <janina> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
15:52:39 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
15:52:42 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:52:45 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:56:50 <paul_grenier> present+
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15:58:30 <becky> trackbot, start meeting
15:58:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:58:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:58:36 <trackbot> Date: 28 July 2021
15:58:43 <becky> agenda?
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15:59:57 <mike_beganyi> present+
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16:00:49 <JF> Present+
16:01:03 <JF> agenda?
16:01:18 <becky> present+
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16:02:17 <becky> regrets, gottfried zimmermann
16:03:05 <Fazio> present+
16:03:33 <amy_c> present+
16:03:35 <becky> chair, Becky
16:05:06 <janina>  scribe: janina
16:05:14 <janina> zakim, next item
16:05:14 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
16:05:33 <Jonny_James> Jonny_James has joined #apa
16:05:36 <Jonny_James> present+
16:06:58 <janina> becky: asks?
16:07:09 <janina> zakim, next item
16:07:09 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings -- taken up [from janina]
16:07:58 <JF> I noted that the automotive group posted to our list as well
16:10:24 <becky> Janina: working on coordinating several groups for breakout sessions during TPAC: COGA, automotive, WCAG 3 maturity modeling, more
16:10:57 <becky> Fazio: asks about scope, is it beyond WAI
16:11:25 <becky> Janina: definitely that is the idea - for outreach throughout W3c
16:11:48 <JF> scribe: JF
16:11:55 <JF> zakim, next item
16:11:55 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force Updates -- taken up [from janina]
16:12:35 <JF> JS: Research Questions have decided to publish XAUR (XR Usability Requirements)
16:12:55 <JF> coming soon - SAUR (Syncronization) closingin on FPWD
16:13:09 <JF> doing some editorial cleanup
16:13:21 <JF> hope to have that published by August
16:13:36 <JF> with hope to have comments open to October
16:14:06 <JF> there is also a NAUR (Natural Language) coming from RQTF
16:14:42 <JF> also working on ... accessible real-time meetings
16:15:07 <MichaelC> present+
16:15:45 <JF> JS: Personalization - working through github issues
16:16:09 <JF> one issue (i18n) hope to have closed by TPAC
16:16:22 <JF> BG: thinks we're down to less than a dozen issues
16:16:59 <janina> paul_grenier: No mtg today, but checkin with MC; have laid out a timeline for clearing github issues
16:17:06 <janina> paul_grenier: working through them
16:17:46 <janina> Fazio: no COGA updates
16:17:49 <janina> zakim, next item
16:17:49 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- FAST Progress -- taken up [from janina]
16:18:12 <janina> Joshue108: reviewing Jake's model
16:18:35 <janina> Joshue108: still processing WBS results
16:18:55 <janina> Joshue108: Will be meeting Friday--unless Jake is out
16:20:06 <janina> janina: asks whether APA can join?
16:20:21 <janina> MichaelC: Send me the request; it's technically under AGWG, but I can finess
16:20:45 <janina> zakim, next item
16:20:45 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
16:21:05 <janina> MichaelC: nothing new
16:21:10 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:21:10 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
16:21:11 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:21:11 <Zakim> 6. Accessibility Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from janina]
16:21:13 <janina> zakim, next item
16:21:13 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Accessibility Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
16:21:25 <janina> MichaelC: one new issue
16:21:30 <MichaelC> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/6890
16:22:22 <janina> MichaelC: discussion onoing
16:22:43 <janina> MichaelC: will subscribe on behalf of aria
16:22:47 <janina> MichaelC: we should track
16:23:13 <JF> +1 to Janina
16:25:00 <JF> Q+
16:25:25 <janina> action: janina to followup on whether aria should export role attrib
16:25:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2300 - Followup on whether aria should export role attrib [on Janina Sajka - due 2021-08-04].
16:25:39 <janina> jf: notes it's a nonprefixed role; one of the only
16:28:28 <JF> ack me
16:28:40 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6310
16:28:46 <janina> MichaelC: only other issue is css color--on Amy's radar
16:28:57 <janina> amy_c: All good
16:28:57 <JF> s/it's a nonprefixed role/it's a nonprefixed ARIA attribute
16:29:12 <janina> MichaelC: Anyone uncomfortable with closing?
16:29:14 <janina> [crickets]
16:29:21 <janina> zakim, next item
16:29:21 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
16:29:41 <janina> MichaelC: nothing new -- other than some transitions
16:29:46 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:29:46 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
16:29:47 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:29:47 <Zakim> 8. CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from janina]
16:29:52 <janina> zakim, next item
16:29:52 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
16:30:04 <janina> amy_c: Begun looking at html
16:30:33 <janina> amy_c: finding lots of cool stuff; looking more closely as a result
16:30:36 <janina> zakim, next item
16:30:36 <Zakim> agendum 8 was just opened, janina
16:30:42 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:30:42 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
16:30:43 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:30:43 <Zakim> 9. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from janina]
16:30:45 <janina> zakim, next item
16:30:45 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from janina]
16:31:12 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Profile
16:31:14 <janina> MichaelC: Looks at WoT ...
16:31:38 <janina> Joshue108: We thought Gottfried might want to work with WoT ...
16:32:31 <janina> MichaelC: to consider in context of other specs
16:32:46 <janina> Joshue108: WoT Chair did ack
16:34:16 <MichaelC> Previous discussion on WoT Profile: https://www.w3.org/2020/12/02-apa-minutes#item06
16:36:39 <janina> decision to bring to rqtf -- just like we said last time!
16:37:06 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Mitigating_Browser_Fingerprinting_in_Web_Specifications
16:37:15 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2019/04/17-apa-minutes.html#item06
16:40:32 <Joshue108> present+
16:43:34 <janina> becky: Notes having difficulty writing up our comment -- help!
16:43:57 <janina> becky: notes js suggested using lionel's response, but thought it was a bit overwhelming for what we want
16:44:18 <janina> beck: we need a simpler statement; kybd operable, etc
16:44:56 <becky> It is imperative that the interface for picture in picture meets the
16:44:56 <becky> requirements of WCAG 2.1. All users must be able to find and navigate
16:44:56 <becky> to/from the picture in picture, and enable/disable/operate all controls
16:44:56 <becky> using various input modalities, color and contrast settings, and assistive
16:44:58 <becky> technologies.
16:45:03 <MichaelC> q+ to say imperative, and also example
16:45:49 <janina> MichaelC: suggests "imperative" too strong
16:46:10 <janina> MichaelC: suggest we can provide an example, but might be more complex than the wg would want
16:46:34 <becky> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2021Jul/0015.html
16:46:36 <janina> becky: they wanted an example
16:46:53 <MichaelC> ack me
16:46:53 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say imperative, and also example
16:46:54 <janina> MichaelC: so, let's not worry about example
16:49:19 <janina> becky: will build a CfC
16:50:32 <becky> zakim, next item
16:50:32 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
16:50:43 <becky> zakim, close this item
16:50:43 <Zakim> agendum 10 closed
16:50:44 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:50:44 <Zakim> 11. Other Business [from janina]
16:50:54 <becky> zakim, take up item 11
16:50:54 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]
16:51:54 <becky> Janina: suggestions that accessibility api models need updating; should APA organize people to start thinking about AAPI++
16:52:26 <becky> Janina: some of this is being discussed by Shadi and others within scope of EU funding
16:53:04 <becky> Janina: some pushback from vendors regarding pronunciation and parsing SSML just to get pronunciation
16:53:22 <becky> Janina: current AAPI doesn't support streaming content well
16:53:56 <becky> Janina: believe we should be forward thinking about architecture going forward
16:54:20 <janina> jf: one problem is at vendors may have needs and ideas, but they're not in w3c feedback for the most part
16:55:56 <becky> Janina: suggesting TPAC would be a good forum for gathering interested experts - APA could host a meeting; this could help define what the architecture needs to encompass
16:58:13 <becky> paul_grenier: pronunciation feedback from AT is that it needs to be easy; but browser feedback is different - we may want to defer to the browser if we want this in the accessibility tree.
16:58:58 <becky> janina: sounds like a worthy topic for the 2nd week - an APA meeting to discuss this topic
16:59:26 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
16:59:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/28-apa-minutes.html becky
17:00:37 <becky> zakim, clear agenda
17:00:37 <Zakim> agenda cleared
17:00:43 <becky> zakim, close meeting
17:00:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close meeting', becky
17:00:52 <becky> zakim, end meeting
17:00:52 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been paul_grenier, mike_beganyi, JF, becky, Fazio, amy_c, Jonny_James, MichaelC, Joshue
17:00:54 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:00:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/28-apa-minutes.html Zakim
17:00:57 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, becky; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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17:01:09 <becky> rrsagent, bye
17:01:09 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2021/07/28-apa-actions.rdf :
17:01:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: janina to followup on whether aria should export role attrib [1]
17:01:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/07/28-apa-irc#T16-25-25