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14:01:56 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel_Wolberger
14:02:17 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
14:02:21 <JF> Present+
14:02:23 <janina> present+
14:02:29 <janina> Regrets: Becky, Charles
14:02:49 <LisaSeemanKest> present+
14:02:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> meeting: APA Personalization Task Force Teleconference - 26 Jul Monday 2021
14:03:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:03:26 <JF> we're 6 today
14:03:45 <Matthew_Atkinson> scribe: Matthew_Atkinson
14:04:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Reminder, W3C Events Team survey due 20 August 2021
14:05:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Set a owners for each TPAC meeting (COGA, i18n, Overview [silver, EPUB, Low vision])
14:05:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
14:05:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, clear agenda
14:05:23 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:05:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Reminder, W3C Events Team survey due 20 August 2021
14:05:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Set a owners for each TPAC meeting (COGA, i18n, Overview [silver, EPUB, Low vision])
14:05:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Verify that TPAC meetings are set by APA
14:05:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+   Blockers to CR? Summary and review of action items
14:05:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+   How we track actions: review of git, wiki & action tracker
14:05:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
14:05:56 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
14:05:56 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Reminder, W3C Events Team survey due 20 August 2021 -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:06:11 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Reminder that this survey exists and the events team would like our input.
14:06:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
14:06:34 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Matthew_Atkinson
14:06:38 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, close this item
14:06:38 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:06:39 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
14:06:40 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:06:40 <Zakim> 2. Set a owners for each TPAC meeting (COGA, i18n, Overview [silver, EPUB, Low vision]) [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:06:40 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Set a owners for each TPAC meeting (COGA, i18n, Overview [silver, EPUB, Low vision]) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:06:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> 	https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021#Suggested_agenda_topics
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14:06:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: We finalized our list of requested meetings last week and sent to APA.
14:07:04 <mike_beganyi_> present+
14:07:09 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... Now we need to decide on owners for the meetings.
14:07:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... Also we need to work on the agendas.
14:07:56 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: COGA was a very interesting meeting, with both APA and LisaSeemanKest suggested we could meet with COGA separately too.
14:08:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> LisaSeemanKest: COGA has agenda with i18n too.
14:09:06 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: [requests info, in case we need to be aware of it]
14:09:32 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We are working to coordinate with AGWG.
14:10:28 <Matthew_Atkinson> s/We are working/APA is working/
14:10:40 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Assigning owners... 1. Overview meeting.
14:10:42 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:10:58 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Chairs will own these (outreach needs to come from chairs).
14:11:25 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Was meaning topics, slides, etc.
14:11:53 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: We thank the chairs for coordinating the meetings. Owner in this case is referring to agenda, slides, speakers, coping with last-minute changes, etc.
14:12:28 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: This is ideally the subject matter expert; can be coordinating with others, too.
14:12:39 <LisaSeemanKest> i can
14:12:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:13:01 <LisaSeemanKest> q+
14:13:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
14:14:14 <Matthew_Atkinson> Matthew_Atkinson: (volunteers help with content, topic, talking to people)
14:14:23 <JF> ack m
14:14:27 <JF> ack l
14:14:32 <Matthew_Atkinson> LisaSeemanKest: (volunteers to be owner)
14:14:40 <JF> ack L
14:14:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Anyone else?
14:15:09 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Propose LisaSeemanKest is the owner, with Matthew_Atkinson as backup.
14:15:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:16:06 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: any objections?
14:16:13 <JF> +1
14:16:43 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Expect that chairs will actually chair the meeting.
14:16:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Next: internationalization (i18n). janina?
14:17:39 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: commented recently: https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144#issuecomment-883438281
14:18:18 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: also JF was interested, particularly around symbol order.
14:18:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> JF: janina and I are clear on the cause of the apparent disconnect, so happy to help.
14:19:10 <Matthew_Atkinson> JF: Having a roundtable discussion will help us resolve this.
14:19:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:19:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:20:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: For this one we have janina (owner) and JF as backup.
14:21:43 <Matthew_Atkinson> Matthew_Atkinson: Are we still eager to resolve this before TPAC?
14:21:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Yes (referenced in GitHub comment)
14:22:07 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: COGA: providing more details of implementation.
14:22:21 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: For this specific meeting, who's the SME?
14:22:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: (feels LisaSeemanKest has the expertise and may be able to help with recruitment)
14:23:09 <Matthew_Atkinson> LisaSeemanKest: Sounds similar to the overview meeting (from the other side).
14:25:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Having a facilitator-level meeting sounds like a good idea.
14:25:43 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: General note that we are all encouraged to attend and contribute on the calls.
14:26:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:26:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> LisaSeemanKest: The desire for this meeting is to give an overview, what we've done in Module 1 and what we intend to achieve in Module 2. Might be good to have newer group members such as Lionel_Wolberger and Matthew_Atkinson involved on this one.
14:26:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack Matthew_Atkinson
14:27:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: So we're looking to provide an overview and moderate the conversation with COGA?
14:28:08 <Matthew_Atkinson> LisaSeemanKest: Yes - perhaps we could swap so that I'm owner of this call and Matthew_Atkinson is of the other one.
14:28:53 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Definitely important to have LisaSeemanKest's expertise on this particular meeting given the COGA connection.
14:29:06 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Is there any aspect of overload between the Overview and COGA meetings?
14:30:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: What's the best way to help COGA—have LisaSeemanKest leading it, or someone else?
14:30:35 <Matthew_Atkinson> LisaSeemanKest: Agree, if I'm doing all the talking it may be unclear as to which meeting is which.
14:31:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Just to clarify, the owner won't necessarily be doing all the talking, but it sounds like it would be best for LisaSeemanKest to represent COGA in these meetings.
14:31:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... Propose that we copy the Overview meeting above (with LisaSeemanKest as owner and Matthew_Atkinson as backup).
14:32:21 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Could help to have a co-chair as presenting/leading the meeting (but that doesn't mean they're the owner).
14:33:31 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: There are some specific issues in Module 1 and some in Module 2 that are all derivative of COGA work, so this meeting is perhaps more focused.
14:34:27 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: We have two choices: LisaSeemanKest as owner of the COGA meeting too, and who's the second: Lionel_Wolberger/Sharon, emphasizing the co-chairs' involvement, or Matthew_Atkinson (who will still be providing content/speaking).
14:35:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:35:09 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Propose LisaSeemanKest is owner (seems natural); who should be second?
14:35:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: I'm fine either way
14:35:43 <Matthew_Atkinson> 0 (i.e. I'm fine either way too :-))
14:35:54 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: how far apart will the meetings be?
14:36:39 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Likely not close together, but could the the next hour, or days apart. We try to honor timezones.
14:36:50 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: proposes to keep it the same as the other meeting; objections?
14:36:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> (none from the group)
14:37:01 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: decided.
14:37:05 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
14:37:05 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Verify that TPAC meetings are set by APA -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:37:29 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: will check up next week
14:37:37 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: There should be more detail next week, but not times yet.
14:37:41 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, close this item
14:37:41 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:37:42 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:37:42 <Zakim> 4. Blockers to CR? Summary and review of action items [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:37:43 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
14:37:44 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Blockers to CR? Summary and review of action items -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:37:53 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:37:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/26-personalization-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:38:13 <JF> Q+ to confirm scope of CR
14:39:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> JF: What's going to CR—all three modules, or the Explainer and Module 1?
14:39:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Module 1
14:39:24 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Updated WD of Explainer would be good.
14:39:31 <Matthew_Atkinson> JF: All edits done.
14:39:46 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... Can we all go back and check the latest push is accurate?
14:40:10 <janina> q+
14:40:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... As mentioned last time, the structure of Modules 2 and 3 differs from Module 1 due to the passage of time.
14:40:31 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... I have an open action item to reflect the structure of Module 1 in the others.
14:40:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:40:59 <JF> ack me
14:40:59 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to confirm scope of CR
14:41:01 <Matthew_Atkinson> My goal is to get it done hopefully by the end of summer, though very busy for the moment.
14:41:14 <Matthew_Atkinson> s/My goal/... My goal/
14:41:40 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Prioritize Module 2 in case that needs to be included.
14:42:42 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We should all take a last read and decide if Module 1 is ready for CR. Aware of issue 144 as a blocker.
14:42:53 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Are there other open issues? We should check.
14:42:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/actions
14:43:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: The process is: a formal resolution from this TF requesting APA publish a CR of Module 1, which will go to an APA CfC.
14:43:31 <Matthew_Atkinson> JF: I believe it's ready for final review by us before we ask APA to do that.
14:43:52 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: What's the process for the resolution?
14:44:06 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: (Explains it's around a RESOLUTION: issued in the minutes by the scribe.)
14:44:18 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
14:44:18 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Matthew_Atkinson
14:44:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:44:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack janina
14:44:50 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
14:44:50 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- How we track actions: review of git, wiki & action tracker -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:44:58 <JF> Request that everyone do a review of the edits for Module 1: https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/index.html
14:45:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: we have issues and actions in three places. What are the blockers to CR?
14:45:21 <Matthew_Atkinson> topic: Issue disambiguation
14:45:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/labels/1%29%20content%20module
14:45:45 <Matthew_Atkinson> TOPIC: Issue disambiguation
14:45:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/personalization/track/actions/
14:46:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make mintes
14:46:19 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make mintes', Matthew_Atkinson.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:46:25 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:46:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/26-personalization-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:47:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/labels/1%29%20content%20module
14:48:10 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: This list (of GitHub issues relating to the Content module) needs to be closed.
14:48:15 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Can we close #66?
14:49:01 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Propose we can close it because we've added a link to the wiki page, which addresses both Joanmarie and Matthew_Atkinson's concerns, which are related.
14:49:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:49:26 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: Suggest we include a link in the issue when closing.
14:51:53 <Matthew_Atkinson> Matthew_Atkinson: I'd like to follow up on Charles' comments/suggestions on list about the code samples, which are in the Wiki page. Don't disagree with closing this issue given we have the review of approaches.
14:52:10 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Please respond to Joanmarie, give the link to the wiki page, clarify that link is in Module 1.
14:52:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:52:18 <Matthew_Atkinson> Matthew_Atkinson: will do
14:52:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Matthew_Atkinson mentioned that in closing #66 he'd like to make improvements to the table—any comments?
14:52:50 <Matthew_Atkinson> (none)
14:52:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Go for it.
14:53:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Is there any concern around the wiki being a living document?
14:53:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We know we'll have a second CR, so we have room for that to happen (we need something more permanent than data-).
14:54:58 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: the next issue is https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/128
14:55:17 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: This may be overcome by events; no longer active?
14:55:25 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:55:35 <Matthew_Atkinson> janina: We need two implementations eventually, to go beyond CR.
14:56:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger & janina: we should continue to reach out, but this is not a blocker.
14:57:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170
14:57:39 <Matthew_Atkinson> JF: Were these changes implemented?
14:57:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> s/JF: Were/Lionel_Wolberger: JF: Were/
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14:59:36 <Matthew_Atkinson> JF: There's no reference to prefers-reduced-motion in Module 1.
15:00:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... I agree they're related, but they're also orthogonal. We've not gone that granular. We talk about animated GIFs but we also talk about scrolling content such as a stock ticker widget.
15:00:27 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... also advertising.
15:00:56 <Matthew_Atkinson> ... There's a relationship there but I'm leery about making explicit links.
15:01:07 <LisaSeemanKest> follow on meeting...
15:01:10 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: We need a few more minutes discussion on this; next time.
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15:02:25 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: We'll deal with 170 next time. That leaves four more, from Matthew_Atkinson.
15:03:06 <Matthew_Atkinson> Lionel_Wolberger: Can you make suggestions by next time to help with getting to CR?
15:03:11 <becky> I am in personalization-plan if needed.  I think Roy and Sharon are both out, though
15:04:06 <Matthew_Atkinson> Matthew_Atkinson: Yes (have made PRs for some; others need group discussions on some others).
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15:04:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack Matthew_Atkinson
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