12:30:44 RRSAgent has joined #eo 12:30:44 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/07/23-eo-irc 12:30:46 RRSAgent, make logs public 12:30:46 Zakim has joined #eo 12:30:48 Meeting: Accessibility Education and Outreach Working Group (EOWG) Teleconference 12:30:48 Date: 23 July 2021 12:30:56 Chair: Brent 12:31:03 Scribe: Sharron 12:32:02 Jade has joined #eo 12:32:07 present: Laura, Shaw, Sharron, Wilco, Shadi, Brent, Carlos, Donna, Jade, Michele 12:32:09 present+ 12:32:41 Laura has joined #eo 12:32:49 present+ LAura 12:33:53 CarlosD has joined #eo 12:34:02 present+ 12:34:07 present+ Leticia 12:34:12 Regrets: Sylvie, Vicki, Mark, Howard, Billie, Daniel, Howard, Estella, Jen 12:34:39 Leticia has joined #eo 12:34:44 present+ 12:34:48 Topic: ACT Rules design 12:34:59 present+ 12:35:41 stevelee has joined #eo 12:36:27 krisannekinney has joined #eo 12:36:33 present+ 12:37:53 Shawn: Wilco and others have been putting the ACT rules into the new format. Today we want to look at the Act Rules which are about to publish, we want to look at it both from the perspective of approval to publish as well as looking at the format itself since it will be used as a template for the other WCAG supporting documents. 12:39:49 ...Hidde has been working on this but was pulled away. Techniques have been addressed, Supplemental Guidance is in progress, the design for the docs are not yet finalized but we are excited to get this done. Today's conversation will provide context, will have a survey. Any questions? 12:40:13 Sharron: Does this mean that the ACT Rules publication will be a template for all of the supporting docs? 12:42:37 Shadi: Hidde started to work on the Supplemental Guidance and supporting docs to WCAG, techniaues, understanding, etc. Hidde did research we looked at several of the doc types and Hidde worked with Hidde for the ACT rules and others have been working on other docs. Since ACT Rules is the most advanced toward publication we are taking what we learned doing this to apply to the others. 12:42:37 Donna_B has joined #eo 12:43:42 Requirements: https://github.com/w3c/wai-wcag-supporting-documents-redesign/wiki/Requirements-Analysis 12:43:43 ...you can look at these to get an idea of how to apply to others but the actual focus is the ACT Rules. 12:45:13 Shawn: When we moved those to the new website we understood that we needed to do a redesign of the presentation - to make them easier to find and use - so there are remaining inconsistancies that we hope to begin to address with this review and survey. 12:45:42 Shadi: And carlos is the other co-chair with Wilco, any comments? 12:45:59 Carlos: Looking at it now, wonder if it needs a Table of Contents? 12:46:12 Shawn: Yes I thought that was part of the plan. 12:50:42 Shadi: While you review, keep in mind that the ACT Rules are meant for makers of automated tools and manual testing methodologies, not for the general public. The people who decide how to test and what makes a pass or fail. So the review is not really for the content - it more about the framing, the cross linking, the navigation. As you review, look at how you find your way through the doc and 12:50:42 can access the specific rules or rules you are researching. 12:51:07 ...another thing is the question of videos but Shawn and I can take this offline. 12:52:44 Shawn: Any other comments or questions or guidance from Carlos or Wilco? If not - a reminder that this will post and we would like quick turnaround for next time. 12:52:51 Topic: Outreach 12:54:46 Shawn: There are several things we encourage everyone to do for outreach - look at the W4TW. In addition to doing your own outreach, think about responding to other conversations and pointing to WAI resources. As well, we want to get better about recording how our resources are being used. I found reference to them for example in A List Apart and wanted to make note of it. 12:55:52 ...this helps us understand and demonstrate our value. So three things: Actively promote, respond to other tweets, and make note of where it has been mentioned. 12:56:49 Michele: I attended a webinar, Girls Who Code...the topic was accessibility but they knew so little it was painful. What is our respnonse to something like that? 12:57:27 I need to drop - thank you. 12:58:10 Shawn: We would identify what they need, see if we have things we can point them too or if not, use that need as a lense and maybe modify and elevate our wish list for outreach to include them. 12:58:46 Michele: In some ways as I attend these webinars is to be sure they understand these resources exist. 12:59:06 Shawn: Great idea and when possible send to the presenter in advance 12:59:32 look at https://www.w3.org/WAI/resources/ 13:00:15 Michele: Yes that could work but I did not know the presenters and it was unfortunatly inaccurate and there was no real way to correct it in progress. 13:00:45 ...so would it be useful to do webinars specifically about "let's talk about WCAG?" 13:02:12 Shawn: As an individual you can do what ever you have time and energy for, and we can point you to the recordings of what we've done in the past. Would love to followup. 13:02:58 Sharron: @@ varies titles... Amazing that people still don't know about our resources. 13:03:55 q+ 13:04:39 although discouraging - when you get gratifiying when share and see how well recieved (like bringing water to thirstly water in the desert) 13:05:19 s/when you get gratifiying when share /turns gratifiying when you share 13:06:33 ... EOWG does best - makes this things complicated, fear - we turn it into approaching from human understanding 13:07:05 s/ makes this things / makes this thing that is 13:08:18 ack jade 13:08:28 Shawn: Part of the course we did included a tour of the WAI website but it got sidelined. Our biggest issue was not ideas but bandwidth. 13:08:59 TechShare Pro 13:10:32 Jade: The conference Tech Share Pro in Novemenber may be a great session and there is a massive audience. 13:11:01 Sharron: and good for us to do things outside of the strictly accessibility conferences 13:11:33 Michel: Accessibility folks tend to talk with one another. 13:11:48 Shawn: Great thanks for all these ideas. 13:11:56 Topic: Work for this Week 13:12:00 Work for this Week: https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_Meetings#Work_for_this_Week 13:14:40 Shawn: We are juggling several things, trying to balance between what feedback people need and the survey assignements. Several times recently we have asked you to do surveys instead of meeting. Updated user stories, curricula and more need your careful attention. Please don't wait to review, the editors work on the comments as soon as they are submitted. You can always add more comment later on 13:14:40 since the survey results can be saved. 13:16:36 ...WCAG EM Report tool is one question, we did not have the badwidth to do formal usability testing, we took input from those who use the exisiting tool but please do go through and try it out, commenters have found some glitches. 13:16:56 ...you are welcome to ask for more time but please try not to wait for the last minute. 13:18:24 ...List of courses is coming, survey will post next week and so that is something to be aware of. Also in W4TW is the outreach and the requirements for the changes to the video production plans (optional) 13:18:35 https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_Meetings#Work_for_this_Week 13:18:42 ...the surveys are listed in priority order. 13:19:22 Brent: When we give you back the meeting time for survey, it is important that we have good participation in the surveys. 13:24:44 Shawn: As a W3C working group, we operate under a charter renewable every 3 or 4 years. The mentions of where our resources are being used demonstrates our value to the W3C and the greater community. As they renew the charter the adminstrators review meeting and survey participation. When you are unable to answer, please do register that you ahve seen the survey and unable to respond. Thanks. 13:25:53 Brent: So yes do please look at the surveys that have lined up schedule some time to do them and contribute as possible, much appreciated - thanks. That's all for today. 13:26:06 ....any questions? 13:26:17 Carlos: Where do I get the T-shirts? 13:27:02 Shadi: TPAC when they are in person. Thanks all, see you enxt week. 13:27:09 trackbot, end meeting 13:27:09 Zakim, list attendees 13:27:09 As of this point the attendees have been Laura, Shaw, Sharron, Wilco, Shadi, Brent, Carlos, Donna, Jade, Michele, CarlosD, Leticia, krisannekinney 13:27:17 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 13:27:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/23-eo-minutes.html trackbot 13:27:18 RRSAgent, bye 13:27:18 I see no action items