13:21:39 RRSAgent has joined #coga 13:21:39 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/07/22-coga-irc 13:21:41 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:21:41 Zakim has joined #coga 13:21:43 Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 13:21:43 Date: 22 July 2021 13:21:45 agenda? 13:21:52 agenda+ Do we have a silver-coga call for the help subgroup today? I know rain can not make it 13:22:05 clear agenda 13:22:26 agenda+ Updates, actions and tracking requests with other group 13:22:54 agenda+ draft for community group https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-Mk1ygGNCpkH7UA5fW1aVtgk-Z7MWDY6Zr95nnlDjnM/edit 13:24:02 agenda+ EO servey https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K87FbKnCj67DcCjnvbf0oheMRTRypdFinIVDtF-xr8I/edit# 13:25:11 johnkirkwood has joined #coga 13:51:19 Fazio has joined #coga 13:56:06 agenda+ tpac agendas 13:56:44 agenda+ reminder about Accessible Auth on July 19 based on Abi’s and John R’s work 13:58:46 Albert has joined #coga 13:59:38 present+ 13:59:45 Jennie has joined #coga 13:59:52 present+ 14:00:23 present+ 14:00:29 scribe: Johnkirkwood 14:00:52 regrets: rain , EA 14:01:11 LS: don’t have a big group 14:01:22 present+ 14:01:23 zakim, next item 14:01:23 agendum 1 -- Updates, actions and tracking requests with other group 14:01:26 ... -- taken up [from LisaSeemanKest] 14:01:39 LS: planning page, there a couple of things coming 14:01:53 … David i see you sent view to list 14:02:08 David: i still need to do paper 14:02:20 LS: were there more to add to literary review? 14:02:34 david: will have to look, visula onset one so far 14:02:47 regrets: rain , EA, justrien 14:02:57 LS: Justine and Abby not here 14:03:03 krisannekinney_ has joined #coga 14:03:13 present+ 14:03:19 LS: did mapping user stories, and reviewed two papers for lit review 14:03:41 Albert: did review Rachael helped me, wasn’t useful 14:03:55 LS: very good 14:04:07 LS: jennie some things for July 30th 14:04:34 Jennie: we met with designer and meeting set for a month from now, and work various tools next 2 weeks 14:04:48 LS: ok everyone on top of action items 14:04:49 JohnRochford has joined #coga 14:05:05 LS: main thing EO and Silver and AG on agenda 14:05:12 zakim, next item 14:05:12 agendum 2 -- draft for community group https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-Mk1ygGNCpkH7UA5fW1aVtgk-Z7MWDY6Zr95nnlDjnM/edit -- taken up [from LisaSeemanKest] 14:05:40 LS: to setup a community group we discussed making a community group 14:06:00 LS: not difficult to setup, but keeping going will be fair amount of work 14:06:08 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-Mk1ygGNCpkH7UA5fW1aVtgk-Z7MWDY6Zr95nnlDjnM/edit 14:06:09 LS: need a mission statement 14:06:38 LS: i sent to list at top of document , make primary activity and mission clear 14:06:44 cweidner has joined #COGA 14:06:48 present+ 14:07:26 LS: do people want to read over, we can see it here written out 14:08:24 LS: (reading the mission of community group) 14:09:08 q+ 14:09:19 q+ 14:09:24 ack j 14:09:49 Jennie: question how we provide list of contibutors, do we need to specify? 14:10:24 stevelee has joined #coga 14:10:32 … some may wonder if name will be published 14:11:06 LS: if join group anonymously we can add a sentence we think 14:11:33 Rachael: shouldn’t be published 14:11:59 Jennie: for those not own guardian language to provde language 14:12:08 JR: I can dig up if you want them 14:12:43 LS: discussing guarian language we need wording 14:13:11 Jennie: i have history with writing can work with John Rochford on this 14:13:54 Jennie: think we have to be careful 14:14:21 Jennie: governors advisory has a stakeholder group 14:14:44 JR: legal folks need to review I think 14:14:55 q+ 14:15:08 LS: need to bring up with W3C 14:15:17 ack k 14:15:32 q+ 14:15:41 Kris Anne: is this a community group to be able to participate anonymously 14:16:10 … certainly think we need a decent solution before publishing 14:16:34 .. guardianship is a concern i think as well 14:16:55 I am in process of drafting a proposed anonymous policy but it will be a few weeks till its approved. I think we can publish the Point of Contact and move forward knowing this is important and in process 14:17:03 present+ 14:17:10 LS: I believe Roy and Michael can possibly have a plan to move forward 14:17:49 Roy: just want feedback, some differnce between commmunity group anyone can join without royalty free commitment 14:18:20 q? 14:18:25 ack r 14:18:34 Roy: dut to patent and copyright risk in W3C publication will be differnet in terms of task force and community group 14:18:49 s/dut/due 14:19:41 Roy: in task force must join AP or AG group 14:20:09 Roy: for community group can do some publication in different format, such as community group note 14:20:35 LS: talking about anonymous issue 14:21:05 LS: drafted proposed anonymous policy, in meantime point of contact needed 14:21:32 Roy: should talk to Michael to see if join anonymously 14:22:15 LS: we want to share personal experience not publicly, if you prefer to join anonymously for moment Roy 14:22:20 q+ 14:22:21 +1 14:22:27 q- 14:22:29 +1 14:22:30 +1 provided anonymous join is ok 14:22:38 +1 14:22:41 LS that ok for anymously? 14:22:44 +1 14:22:54 +1 14:23:00 LS: we want people to join anynmously 14:23:13 LS: guardianship we need to circle back 14:24:25 LS: may make suggest to COGA rather than creating policy don’t need to go through process of joining APA, AG etc. 14:24:45 LS: are people comfortable with that? 14:24:58 Roy: i suggest we not mention that 14:25:06 q? 14:25:23 ack c 14:25:25 ack cwei 14:25:28 CW: can you provide a line of wat community group able to do 14:25:34 LS: is that Chris? 14:25:44 CW: yes 14:26:01 LS: participation and making deliverables 14:26:40 LS: everyone in group participates in many different ways 14:27:01 You must be accepted into a W3C Working Group in order to join a Task Force. Anyone can join a Community GROUP 14:27:22 LS: this group is going to be a big learning curve to participate in helpful way, comes with a time commitment and patent policy 14:27:37 For COGA only APA and AG Working Group members can join 14:27:57 LS: it’s quite a high bar to join 14:28:55 LS: we are possibly missing a broad participation by the community, good place needed for participation an opportinity where users and other interested and involved that don’t have full set of expertise to participate 14:29:37 LS: can aldo be shorter term 14:30:38 q+ to say including that clarification would be helpful in the document 14:30:41 Chris: i understand why would want this, have experts but don’t have time commitment to join, wether a not this would be an opportunity to pug in other members without the time commitment and what in Task Force can’t do in community group 14:32:06 LS: the process can draft themselves, the advisory role, the ask is smaller. potentially different clusters, as a developer could say this is great guidance, what do you think of my product 14:32:16 ack r 14:32:16 Rachael, you wanted to say including that clarification would be helpful in the document 14:32:23 Chris: that is helpful 14:33:03 Rachael: community groups might not be directly related to working groups, understanding expectations 14:33:40 LS: we’ve written about sharing with COGA, whould we add two sentences, i’m afraid of confusing people 14:34:18 LS: don’t want to lose people, will be a bit of challenge to make understandable, does anyone want to suggest text 14:34:32 q+ 14:35:06 Roy: if you want this community group give task force input, maybe we could add link think it’s ok to add 14:35:34 Roy: mailing list and github reposity for this community group? 14:35:37 LS: no 14:35:38 q+ 14:36:06 ack me 14:36:10 ack r 14:36:13 LS: very provisional, add two sentences and guardianship 14:36:45 ack Jennie 14:36:56 Jennie: if list an email list need to think about that from an anonmous perspective 14:36:58 ack j 14:37:12 q+ 14:37:22 ack j 14:37:33 agenda+ 14:37:41 agenda? 14:39:04 Like "Town Halls" - great idea - could be smaller Town Hall style conversations 14:39:50 suggested ptotential of zoom call 14:40:21 LS: zoom sounds like a potential good idea 14:40:28 q+ 14:40:51 LS: do we want do a poll that happy in direction 14:41:10 LS: we can finalize wording on list 14:41:30 ack j 14:42:04 Jennie: would it be possible to have a couple of days to review, to see if key pieces to discuss on call rather than list? 14:42:20 LS: yes will leave it in so can review 14:42:21 *thank you 14:42:35 +1 1 week sounds reasonable 14:43:01 LS: we can start reviewing for the week no straw poll 14:43:03 zakim, next item 14:43:03 agendum 3 -- EO servey https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K87FbKnCj67DcCjnvbf0oheMRTRypdFinIVDtF-xr8I/edit# -- taken up [from LisaSeemanKest] 14:43:37 LS: really want to get to survey, they want us to review their user stories 14:43:37 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K87FbKnCj67DcCjnvbf0oheMRTRypdFinIVDtF-xr8I/edit# 14:44:36 Kris Anne: think all are ready and four might specifiically need our feedback 14:45:11 … how the user stories now being presented, biographies, barriers, and favorite part resources available 14:45:30 … wanted to know if something to support or make changes 14:45:48 … see that someone needs to know a bit more on the ‘why’ 14:46:22 … a comment said: doesn’t explain accessibilty for memory loss 14:46:39 … EO wants to make sure COGA has given input 14:47:01 LS: better to do review together? 14:47:30 Kriss Anne: initial though if easier to do review as a group sometimes confersation is helpful 14:48:03 … if we had time could dedicate time next week, if can as a group, if anyone wants to look at it, if want to split it up 14:48:29 LS: this is very important, either next week or week after we can donate half call to do it 14:48:45 LS: they have given us to the 26th 14:49:07 KrisAnne: can get more time think another 2 weeks will be ok 14:49:49 LS: this will be more useful feedback, probaly could get more constuctive feedback and that takes longer 14:51:25 KrisAnne: more detall and strike a balance, not trying to be too specific only have 9 and trying to keep the number low, could end up with so many stories. want to give good feedback and more globally accessible 14:51:35 LS: another thing is TPAC agendas 14:51:39 q+ 14:51:54 ack Jennie 14:51:56 LS: give us two or three weeks 14:52:21 KrisAnne: if people have chance to look at before meeting next week it would be helpful 14:52:33 Jennie: just question about TPAC 14:52:53 LS: community group discussion was good 14:53:09 LS: is question about TPAC about agendas 14:53:26 Jennie: like to put in draft document for review, will do today 14:53:42 eo work : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K87FbKnCj67DcCjnvbf0oheMRTRypdFinIVDtF-xr8I/edit# 14:53:58 LS: one start collecting comments on EO goup here is our page in google doc 14:54:25 LS: people please add comments to that document 14:54:34 LS: might need subgroup meeting 14:54:37 tpac : https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/TPAC_2021_initial_planning#APA 14:54:45 LS: started drafting agendas 14:55:10 LS: my proposed is in google doc 14:55:24 LS: proposed feedback on accessibile authetication 14:55:29 accessible authification thread: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2021Jul/0033.html 14:55:37 LS: this is the thread 14:56:09 https://www.w3.org/2021/07/08-coga-minutes.html#t04 14:56:15 LS: make sure people are comfortable with that 14:56:56 summary of accessible authetication 14:57:00 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K87FbKnCj67DcCjnvbf0oheMRTRypdFinIVDtF-xr8I/edit# 14:57:23 LS: disussion with JR and Abby above 14:57:44 LS: regarding EO, and what trying to achieve 14:58:08 LS: empathisize and understand is an important goal 14:58:34 LS: let people understanding that COGA users are relevent here 14:58:54 LS: try an undue a bit of feeling or stereo types 14:59:41 LS: are there other important things that we want to get accross? 15:00:29 LS: main aims for personas to help empathisize and that coga are key audience are tazrget market group 15:01:55 KrisAnne: agree, bring awareness, including those groups, all of personas existed before, trying to make connection for designer and develops making it better 15:02:17 … they are looking for feedback for description of person 15:02:44 … will let know need a couple of more weeks 15:02:54 LS: to make more constructive suggestions 15:04:03 rrsagent, publish minutes 15:04:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/22-coga-minutes.html LisaSeemanKest 15:15:46 johnkirkwood_ has joined #COGA