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12:02:43 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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12:03:01 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool
12:03:16 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:03:22 <kaz> Chair: McCool
12:03:56 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#21_July_2021https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#21_July_2021
12:04:07 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
12:04:15 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
12:04:15 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Lagally
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12:06:34 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
12:07:28 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushma
12:07:31 <kaz> topic: Minutes
12:07:44 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/07/14-wot-minutes.html July-14
12:07:48 <kaz> mm: one typo
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12:08:48 <kaz> ... s/umplication/implication/
12:08:52 <kaz> kaz: just fixed
12:09:02 <kaz> mm: any other comments?
12:09:09 <kaz> (none; approved)
12:09:36 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/21-30-wot-vf2f-minutes.html vF2F minutes
12:09:49 <kaz> mm: Day 2, 3, and 5
12:09:55 <kaz> ... to be reviewed this week
12:10:00 <kaz> ml: will do tomorrow
12:10:04 <kaz> mm: ok
12:10:19 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster, Ryuichi_Matsukura
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12:10:53 <kaz> topic: IG Recharter
12:11:07 <kaz> mm: draft Charter to be fixed next week
12:11:17 <kaz> ... updated based on the new template, etc.
12:11:47 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/966 Issue 966 - WoT IG rechartering 2021
12:11:54 <kaz> mm: merged a PR
12:12:23 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/977 PR 977 - update proposed 2021 IG charter renewal to template
12:12:33 <kaz> mm: look at the topic list
12:13:27 <kaz> ... also maybe add Solid, etc., for liaison
12:13:34 <kaz> ... your comments welcome
12:13:52 <kaz> ... finalize the draft before August 2
12:13:58 <kaz> topic: WG Recharter
12:14:12 <kaz> mm: new guideline for chartering clarified
12:14:40 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/Guide/process/charter.html Charter guideline
12:14:53 <kaz> mm: note the guideline describes the whole procedure for new groups
12:15:14 <kaz> ... so we should concentrate on rechartering part
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12:15:30 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:15:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:15:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:15:47 <kaz> mm: we should aim September for draft Charter
12:15:55 <kaz> ... and should finalize it at TPAC
12:16:22 <kaz> topic: Smart Cities Workshop
12:16:58 <kaz> kaz: have been working with the PC for the report
12:17:08 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/smartcities-workshop/report.html report
12:17:17 <kaz> kaz: would finalize it today
12:17:30 <kaz> ... will add some more descriptions to each session
12:18:16 <kaz> topic: CR transition
12:18:24 <kaz> mm: we need to update the schedule
12:18:38 <kaz> ... (originally mentioned "July 15")
12:18:55 <kaz> ... btw, we should look at dates for TPAC meeting
12:19:03 <kaz> ... Kaz, can you generate a Doodle?
12:19:05 <kaz> kaz: will do
12:19:50 <kaz> action: kaz to generate a doodle to pick dates for TPAC meeting
12:20:57 <kaz> kaz: maybe we could be flexible for our own vF2F part
12:21:14 <kaz> ... though we need to care about the TPAC schedule for the joint meetings
12:21:23 <kaz> mm: right
12:21:32 <kaz> ... can you generate a wiki page as well
12:22:07 <kaz> kaz: note we need to respond to the Event Team about our schedule and put it on the wiki
12:22:11 <kaz> mm: yeah
12:22:29 <kaz> ... we should start discussion next week
12:22:29 <dape> q+ to TPAC2021, see https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021
12:22:37 <kaz> ack d
12:22:37 <Zakim> dape, you wanted to TPAC2021, see https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021
12:23:02 <dape> ack dape
12:23:39 <kaz> dp: W3C TPAC wiki above
12:24:16 <kaz> mm: at least we need to avoid the breakout week and joint meetings for our own vF2F
12:24:25 <kaz> topic: Testing
12:24:32 <kaz> mm: will skip testing today
12:24:50 <kaz> ... our next goal is our Testfest
12:25:04 <kaz> ... and check all the features more accurately
12:25:14 <kaz> topic: Publication
12:25:29 <kaz> mm: would like to see when to publish what
12:25:48 <kaz> ... still pending resolution for Discovery
12:25:59 <kaz> ... will aim for review in August and publication in September
12:26:10 <kaz> ... Security
12:26:25 <kaz> ... working on clean-up and object security
12:26:30 <kaz> ... not ready for publication yet
12:26:46 <kaz> s/Security/Security Best Practices/
12:26:49 <kaz> ... any other updates?
12:26:55 <kaz> dp: discussed schedule
12:27:01 <kaz> ... need some more time
12:27:10 <kaz> ... so postponing publication
12:27:18 <kaz> s/schedule/schedule for Scripting API/
12:27:21 <kaz> mm: ok
12:27:30 <kaz> ... will go over design issues
12:27:48 <kaz> ... anything else?
12:28:00 <kaz> ml: Profile is on fly
12:28:07 <kaz> ... need a couple more weeks
12:28:17 <kaz> mm: ok
12:28:35 <kaz> ... will finalize in September?
12:29:07 <kaz> ... good thing for Security is Oliver has agreed to review signing
12:29:32 <kaz> ... anything about TD?
12:29:48 <kaz> ... will discuss it during the TD call later
12:29:53 <kaz> topic: Liaisons
12:30:07 <kaz> mm: link added for the vF2F OpenDay discussion
12:30:21 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/21-30-wot-vf2f-minutes.html#day4 OpenDay
12:30:28 <kaz> mm: ITU-T
12:30:38 <kaz> ... mentioned several additional documents
12:30:45 <kaz> ... ECHONET
12:30:49 <kaz> ... discussion ongoing
12:30:55 <kaz> ... ISO and ECLASS
12:31:01 <kaz> ... also ongoing
12:31:33 <kaz> ... need example to clarify how to refer to their ontologies from TD
12:31:45 <kaz> ... T2TRG/IETF
12:31:51 <kaz> ... followup based on the discussion on OpenDay
12:31:57 <kaz> ... OPC UA
12:32:04 <kaz> ... waiting for updates from Sebastian
12:32:12 <kaz> ... OGC
12:32:29 <kaz> ... technical discussion continued
12:32:34 <kaz> ... Solid
12:32:50 <kaz> ... more discussion to be done
12:32:56 <kaz> ... GAIA-X
12:33:05 <kaz> ... data infrastructure
12:33:18 <kaz> topic: TF Reports
12:33:22 <kaz> mm: Scripting?
12:33:27 <kaz> dp: meeting on Monday
12:33:38 <kaz> ... as I said, still working on alignment with Discovery
12:33:46 <kaz> ... so postponing publication
12:33:56 <kaz> ... also working on Typescript definition
12:34:28 <kaz> ... Scripting API for TD so that WebThing, etc., can use it
12:34:49 <kaz> ... discussion on op value
12:35:01 <kaz> ... binding doesn't support reading values at once
12:35:35 <kaz> mm: Security
12:35:49 <kaz> ... looked at PRs for Best Practices
12:36:01 <kaz> ... bunch of work for reorganization OAuth
12:36:09 <kaz> ... signing as well
12:36:18 <kaz> ... recommend one particular one
12:36:32 <kaz> ... also recommend TLS 1.1
12:36:45 <kaz> ... browser support issue
12:36:49 <kaz> ... issue of local security
12:37:02 <kaz> ... transport for key management
12:37:12 <kaz> ... something like DID
12:37:35 <kaz> ... no real strong standard yet
12:37:49 <kaz> ... still an open question
12:37:52 <kaz> ... Discovery
12:37:56 <kaz> ... bunch of clean-up
12:38:19 <kaz> ... pagenation still has open questions
12:38:33 <kaz> ... Hydra is basically W3C CG work
12:38:50 <kaz> ... the trouble is that their document is a CG report (not REC)
12:39:03 <kaz> ... long discussion on how to handle that
12:39:24 <kaz> ... maybe should have necessary content within our spec itself
12:39:31 <kaz> ... still discussing
12:39:46 <kaz> ... looking at Web API Designing
12:39:55 <kaz> ... how to design actions, etc.
12:40:07 <kaz> ... will bring it to the Architecture call tomorrow
12:40:10 <kaz> ... Marketing?
12:40:25 <kaz> ... talked about some update on the Web page
12:40:29 <kaz> ... TPAC 2021
12:40:34 <kaz> ... issue about analytics
12:41:38 <kaz> mm: DIoT workshop in October
12:41:57 <kaz> ... will talk about that during the Marketing call next Tuesday
12:42:14 <kaz> ... also some more talks on WoT to be added to the Marketing pages
12:42:57 <kaz> ek: social media icons?
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12:43:02 <kaz> q+
12:43:04 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1196
12:43:50 <kaz> mm: we should have at least a link to the web page
12:46:47 <kaz> kaz: have you checked with Coralie?
12:46:53 <kaz> dp: yes, got response on another issue
12:47:37 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/188#issuecomment-883389449 Coralie's response
12:48:15 <kaz> mm: ok
12:48:36 <kaz> ... note we should care about the design practice of CRAP
12:49:03 <kaz> ... Contrast, Repetition, Alignment, Proximity
12:49:56 <kaz> kaz: wondering about which repos would be impacted with this decision
12:50:03 <kaz> mm: all the WoT repos
12:50:23 <Ege> q?
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12:50:55 <kaz> q-
12:51:03 <McCool> proposal: add the website link and the social media links following https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1196 to all WoT repos
12:52:34 <McCool> proposal: add the website link and the social media links following https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1196 to the top README in all WoT repos
12:52:55 <McCool> proposal: add the website link and the social media icons and links following https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1196 to the top README in all WoT repos
12:54:56 <dape> +1
12:54:57 <McCool> resolution: add the website link and the social media icons and links following https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1196 to the top README in all WoT repos
12:55:46 <kaz> mm: btw, when I worked on the draft IG Charter, found some information on how to handle group resolutions
12:56:23 <kaz> ... wondering what kind of text to be put on our own Charter
12:57:05 <kaz> kaz: we can put our own suggested text based on our experience
12:57:36 <kaz> mm: let's continue discussion
12:57:53 <kaz> topic: AOB?
12:58:00 <kaz> s/topic: AOB?//
12:58:06 <kaz> ml: Arch/Profile
12:58:15 <kaz> ... action semantics proposal from Ben
12:58:35 <kaz> ... will continue to work tomorrow
12:58:46 <kaz> mm: 7am PDT tomorrow
12:58:54 <kaz> ... AOB?
12:58:56 <kaz> (none)
12:59:06 <kaz> mm: no Testing call today
12:59:12 <kaz> ... TD call in one hour
12:59:48 <kaz> [adjourned]
12:59:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:59:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:00:55 <kaz> action: kaz to generate a wiki page for TPAC vF2F
13:00:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:00:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
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