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13:55:30 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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13:55:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:55:36 <trackbot> Date: 15 July 2021
13:56:08 <agendabot> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Jul/0016.html
13:56:08 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:56:08 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:56:08 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:56:10 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:56:12 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:56:12 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:56:14 <agendabot> agenda+ String-Meta PR for Unicode tag characters
13:56:14 <addison> agenda+ Consider fully supporting RTL and Bidi URLs
13:56:17 <agendabot> agenda+ DOMException localizability
13:56:19 <agendabot> agenda+ "Awaiting Comment Resolution" reviews
13:56:22 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:56:47 <addison> regrets+ Felix
13:57:14 <addison> agenda+ Web Authentication Update
13:57:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:59:08 <addison> present+ Addison, Fuqiao
14:00:31 <addison> present+ Richard, Atsushi
14:00:39 <addison> present+ JcK
14:03:27 <xfq> scribe+
14:03:33 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:03:33 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:03:34 <addison> agenda?
14:03:48 <addison> present+ Peter
14:04:27 <xfq> addison: anything to add to the agenda?
14:04:30 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:04:30 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:38 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:04:45 <Peter> Peter has joined #i18n
14:05:29 <xfq> addison: one of our issues is related to backwards deletion
14:05:44 <addison> action-1034?
14:05:44 <trackbot> action-1034 -- Addison Phillips to Triage awaiting comment resolution items -- due 2021-06-24 -- OPEN
14:05:44 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1034
14:06:21 <r12a> there are a few more photos of Fushimi Inari here https://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/albums/72157715616929641 (interspersed)
14:06:31 <r12a> including, Fuqiao, some Chinese people https://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/48984187053/in/album-72157715616929641/
14:07:27 <addison> action-1038?
14:07:27 <trackbot> action-1038 -- Richard Ishida to Create repo for developing-localizable-manifests -- due 2021-07-01 -- OPEN
14:07:27 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1038
14:07:31 <addison> close action-1038
14:07:31 <trackbot> Closed action-1038.
14:07:57 <addison> action-1042?
14:07:57 <trackbot> action-1042 -- Addison Phillips to Remind members to review techniques/authoring-html-new for next telecon -- due 2021-07-08 -- OPEN
14:07:57 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1042
14:08:18 <addison> close action-1042
14:08:18 <trackbot> Closed action-1042.
14:08:27 <addison> action-1044?
14:08:27 <trackbot> action-1044 -- Addison Phillips to Contact plh about webauthn issues and how to handle them -- due 2021-07-08 -- OPEN
14:08:27 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1044
14:08:37 <addison> close action-1044
14:08:37 <trackbot> Closed action-1044.
14:08:55 <addison> action-1045?
14:08:55 <trackbot> action-1045 -- Addison Phillips to Draft issues on webauth#sctn-strings-langdir -- due 2021-07-08 -- OPEN
14:08:55 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1045
14:09:03 <addison> close action-1045
14:09:03 <trackbot> Closed action-1045.
14:09:33 <addison> action-1046?
14:09:33 <trackbot> action-1046 -- Addison Phillips to Add mustard warning against unicode language tag characters to string-meta -- due 2021-07-15 -- OPEN
14:09:33 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1046
14:09:53 <addison> close action-1046
14:09:53 <trackbot> Closed action-1046.
14:10:06 <addison> action-1047?
14:10:06 <trackbot> action-1047 -- Addison Phillips to File issues against webauthn and ping plh when complete -- due 2021-07-15 -- OPEN
14:10:06 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1047
14:10:15 <addison> close action-1047
14:10:15 <trackbot> Closed action-1047.
14:10:38 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:10:39 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:11:22 <addison> fuqiao: google docs will move from html rendering to canvas-based rendering
14:11:41 <addison> ... made a new text rendering engine vs. using content-editable
14:11:55 <addison> ... includes complex text layout (bidi, etc. etc.)
14:12:17 <addison> ... complex features developed at W3C will be reimplemented?
14:12:38 <xfq> https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2021/05/Google-Docs-Canvas-Based-Rendering-Update.html
14:12:42 <addison> ... tencent docs also did this; made a preso about how they implemented a11y features
14:13:37 <David> David has joined #I18n
14:14:41 <addison> present+ David
14:15:04 <addison> agenda?
14:15:44 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:15:44 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:15:53 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:16:54 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/htmlwg/issues/17
14:17:26 <xfq> r12a: looked at the i18n issues they pointed out
14:18:50 <xfq> addison: we're building up a number of completed
14:19:04 <xfq> s/completed/"Completed"
14:19:11 <xfq> ... do we want to close them?
14:20:20 <xfq> r12a: we see open and closed issues in the Completed column
14:21:33 <xfq> ... the close? tag is no longer relevant when the issue is moved to Completed
14:21:46 <xfq> s/close?/'close?'
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14:23:29 <xfq> addison: the action is somebody should go through the Completed column and close the issues
14:24:10 <addison> action: addison: close open completed reviews
14:24:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1049 - Close open completed reviews [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-07-22].
14:24:23 <addison> agenda?
14:24:38 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
14:24:38 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Web Authentication Update -- taken up [from addison]
14:25:08 <xfq> addison: I attended the web authentication meeting
14:25:27 <xfq> ... they will immediately remove the section we're unhappy with
14:25:55 <xfq> ... i18n WG will contribute a PR
14:26:24 <xfq> ... we talked about a few things
14:26:31 <xfq> ... there are some limitations
14:26:48 <xfq> ... i'm currently holding the action to write the PR
14:27:14 <xfq> ... we will review the PR in this group before we send it to web authentication
14:27:23 <xfq> r12a: well done
14:29:00 <xfq> addison: a couple of people understand the importance of i18n support
14:29:42 <addison> agenda?
14:30:20 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:30:20 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- String-Meta PR for Unicode tag characters -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:30:40 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/56
14:31:18 <addison> https://github.com/aphillips/string-meta
14:31:19 <xfq> agenda+ localizable-manifests
14:31:43 <addison> https://aphillips.github.io/string-meta/
14:32:07 <addison> https://aphillips.github.io/string-meta/#bp_unicode_tag_chars_nonuse
14:32:21 <addison> https://aphillips.github.io/string-meta/#unicodeTags
14:33:21 <xfq> r12a: typo: langauge
14:34:59 <xfq> r12a: otherwise looks good to me
14:35:48 <xfq> addison: made the glossary cleaner, consistent
14:36:02 <xfq> ... re-arranged the order
14:37:35 <xfq> JcK: not just in W3C, but also in IETF and Unicode Consortium
14:38:34 <addison> [Unicode] says that the "... use of tag characters to convey language tags is strongly discouraged" and that the use of the character U+E0001 LANGUAGE TAG is strongly discouraged. The only current use of characters in this block of Unicode is to form various flag emoji.
14:38:34 <xfq> addison: Unicode says that the use of tag characters to convey language tags is strongly discouraged
14:39:15 <xfq> r12a: i'll be inclined to omit the last sentence
14:39:55 <xfq> addison: any objection on removing that sentence?
14:40:39 <xfq> Peter: in § 5.3.3 it says "Unicode tag characters are strongly deprecated by the Unicode Consortium"
14:41:15 <xfq> ... they only say "strongly discouraged" instead of "strongly deprecated"
14:41:46 <xfq> r12a: "deprecated" and "discourage" do not mean the same thing in W3C too
14:42:36 <addison> Use of Unicode tag characters for language identification are strongly discouraged by the Unicode Consortium (and thus deprecated).
14:42:59 <xfq> JcK: +1
14:43:01 <xfq> Peter: +1
14:43:10 <David> +1
14:44:19 <addison> action: addison: merge string-meta changes pending richard's review of the glossary changes
14:44:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1050 - Merge string-meta changes pending richard's review of the glossary changes [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-07-22].
14:44:27 <addison> agenda?
14:44:54 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:44:55 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- DOMException localizability -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:45:05 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Jul/0011.html
14:46:11 <xfq> addison: localization of exceptions
14:46:37 <addison> https://github.com/heycam/webidl/issues/996
14:46:45 <xfq> ... I tend to think we should make exceptions localizable
14:47:11 <xfq> ... how do we want to address this?
14:47:19 <Peter> Unicode deprecation of language tagging: http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode13.0.0/ch23.pdf#G30427
14:48:11 <atsushi> https://heycam.github.io/webidl/#idl-DOMException
14:48:20 <r12a> https://heycam.github.io/webidl/
14:48:42 <addison> (and in TR at https://www.w3.org/TR/WebIDL/#idl-DOMException)
14:50:15 <xfq> addison: should we file the equivalent comment for Geolocation to Web IDL?
14:50:28 <xfq> r12a: language and direction, right?
14:50:34 <xfq> addison: that's right
14:52:43 <xfq> xfq: should we add metadata to the interface?
14:53:01 <xfq> ... as optional attributes?
14:53:21 <xfq> addison: preferably not optional
14:54:13 <addison> "present but optional"
14:54:16 <xfq> addison: the field should be there, but the value can be optional
14:54:53 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/geolocation-api/issues/50#issuecomment-828626695
14:56:30 <r12a> https://github.com/heycam/webidl/issues/996
14:56:39 <xfq> r12a: do we create a new issue or do we extend the issue marcos filed?
14:57:11 <xfq> addison: I think it's better to file separate specific issues
14:57:57 <addison> action: addison: file issues about DOMException against WebIDL to add metadata and to provide for localizability
14:57:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1051 - File issues about domexception against webidl to add metadata and to provide for localizability [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-07-22].
14:58:11 <addison> agenda?
14:58:34 <addison> zakim, takeup agendum 11
14:58:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'takeup agendum 11', addison
14:58:50 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 11
14:58:50 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- localizable-manifests -- taken up [from xfq]
14:58:55 <addison> put to top in next week
14:58:59 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:59:00 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:59:58 <xfq> r12a: wrote a report on the i18n sponsorship program
15:00:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:00:47 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
15:00:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/15-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:01:41 <addison> present+ Bert
15:01:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
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15:17:04 <addison> zakim, bye
15:17:04 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Fuqiao, Richard, Atsushi, JcK, Peter, David, Bert
15:17:04 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
15:24:57 <r12a> s|there are a few more photos of Fushimi Inari here https://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/albums/72157715616929641 (interspersed)||
15:25:11 <r12a> s|including, Fuqiao, some Chinese people https://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/48984187053/in/album-72157715616929641/||
15:25:19 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:25:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/15-i18n-minutes.html r12a