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12:00:29 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
12:00:39 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool
12:01:09 <McCool> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#14_July_2021
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12:04:36 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
12:06:55 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:06:56 <mlagally> scribe: mlagally
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12:07:16 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:07:31 <mlagally> mmc: <Agenda walkthrough>
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12:07:56 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#14_July_2021 Agenda
12:08:05 <mlagally> mmc: let's review last meeting minutes:
12:08:05 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:08:18 <kaz> i/let's/topic: Minutes/
12:08:30 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/07/07-wot-minutes.html July-7
12:08:40 <mlagally> ... discussion about implementations ...
12:09:12 <mlagally> ... ITU-T: there are two workshops: a proposed joint workshop and an ITU-T hosted WS
12:10:16 <mlagally> ... can we publish?
12:10:25 <mlagally> - no objections
12:11:00 <mlagally> ... kaz, please add a note to the ITU-T workshop plans to avoid confusion
12:11:19 <mlagally> topic: vF2F minutes
12:13:00 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster
12:13:01 <mlagally> ... some TFs have reviewed their parts, I hope TD can be reviewed today, use cases and architecture + profiles tomorrow
12:13:18 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:13:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:13:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:13:35 <mlagally> ... we had 5 external presenters, time was a bit short
12:14:17 <kaz> Chair: McCool/Sebastian
12:14:28 <mlagally> ... some of the slides were provided, can we please add links to them to the minutes?
12:20:00 <mlagally> ... Open day minutes were reviewed - no change required
12:21:26 <mlagally> ... Day 1: charter discussion etc.
12:22:09 <mlagally> ... Note: we cannot do a new WG charter right now, but only close towards the end of the current charter
12:22:51 <mlagally> mmc: Minutes for Day1 and Day 4 were reviewed and approved, others will be reviewed by TFs
12:23:11 <mlagally> topic: XX
12:23:42 <mlagally> IG rechartering:
12:23:46 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/966
12:24:04 <mlagally> mmc: if you have comments, please add them to the issue
12:24:15 <mlagally> topic: smart cities workshop
12:24:33 <mlagally> ... workshop has happened, Kaz created a draft report
12:25:05 <mlagally> kaz: workshop went very well, 3 sessions, we identified important stakeholders, govt. agencies, committees, ...
12:25:58 <mlagally> ... we updated the smart cities IG charter and will bring to W3M, the notes are under review by the program committee of the workshop
12:26:26 <mlagally> mmc: recordings and slides are available, some will still be uploaded
12:26:32 <mlagally> topic: testing
12:27:08 <mlagally> mmc: We need to get our testing organised, let's talk about it in the testing call.
12:27:47 <mlagally> ... we should also have testing calls in the upcoming weeks. October plugfest will be testing plug fest, no new experimental features before testing is done.
12:27:57 <mlagally> topic: publication planning
12:28:34 <mlagally> mmc: we have updates in editors drafts, including discovery - need to do a resolution next week
12:28:52 <mlagally> ... editors drafts are available for reviews
12:29:02 <mlagally> ... other plans?
12:29:10 <mlagally> dape: Scripting will take some more months
12:30:03 <mlagally> mmc: we have a couple of MRs in place for security best practices - they can wait a bit
12:30:14 <mlagally> ... any planned updates for the TD spec?
12:30:45 <mlagally> sk: will discuss in today's TD call, some new findings from F2F and issues - ideally before the summer break but not sure.
12:31:11 <mlagally> mmc: I have created some PRs for architecture, hope to get them merged tomorrow
12:31:51 <mlagally> ... terminology about hubs and gateway fixes has some umplications, hope to get them in tomorrow
12:31:58 <mlagally> topic: liaisons
12:33:02 <mlagally> mmc: ITU-T got back to us, need to discuss with W3M, there was a bit of confusion about two workshops, Kaz will sort it out
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12:34:02 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/85 please check this
12:34:03 <kaz> s/need to discuss with W3M/potentially need to discuss with W3M if they want to have an official joint workshop between ITU-T and W3C/
12:34:28 <kaz> q+
12:35:50 <mlagally> ... Echonet: need clarification on concrete binding - try to do it and identify technical issues
12:36:54 <mlagally> kaz: expectation of Echonet/Matsuda-san is to start with the examples that were provided in the slides
12:37:28 <mlagally> mmc: if there's a binding for Echonet, it could be reviewed, but an example is not a spec
12:38:28 <mlagally> ege: In part of the restructuring of the binding specification I'm proposing an Echonet binding. that Matsuda-san is also an author
12:39:17 <mlagally> kaz: We could start with the example
12:39:44 <mlagally> ml: we may be missing important parts of the spec that are not in the example
12:40:40 <mlagally> Matsuda-san: Please start with the example, I personally would like to write a TD to allow W3C WoT to access Echonet server
12:41:12 <mlagally> ... you can access the URL with the binding template spec, but personally I think you cannot specify the data format
12:41:50 <mlagally> ... if a client reads a property the HTTP return body is different
12:42:52 <mlagally> ... key + value pair is returned as a JSON object, format is different
12:43:22 <McCool> q+
12:43:31 <McCool> ack k
12:43:36 <mlagally> ml: please let's discuss in tomorrow's architecture
12:44:08 <mlagally> s/architecture/architecture+profile session/
12:45:01 <mlagally> kaz: I suggest we start with the interface discussion
12:47:14 <mlagally> ... we should start the official technical discussion with the Echonet steering committee - I will send it
12:47:49 <mlagally> mmc: EClass and ISO - we look for extension ontologies for both cases
12:48:05 <mlagally> ... I think we have some specification gaps, how to get ontologies, ...
12:48:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:48:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:49:10 <mlagally> ... next step for ECLASS to write up some use cases
12:49:31 <kaz> s/... workshop has/mmc workshop has/
12:49:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:49:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:49:44 <kaz> q+
12:49:57 <kaz> ack mc
12:50:06 <mlagally> sk: CDD is a different approach than ECLASS, we also need to clarify what is meant with "ontology"
12:50:33 <mlagally> ... commonalities [between ECLASS and ISO] are IEC61360
12:51:05 <mlagally> mmc: if there's common ground, we should share same base ontologies
12:51:47 <mlagally> kaz: we should handle both organisations in parallel to identify what and how to refer to the ontologies
12:51:59 <kaz> ack k
12:52:17 <mlagally> mmc: these guys are experts - why don't we start with ECLASS, if we hit another ontology we may be able to adapt
12:53:03 <kaz> s/... some TFs/mmc: some TFs/
12:53:07 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:53:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:53:12 <mlagally> sk: OPC-UA - will be discussed in next UC call.
12:53:52 <kaz> s/topic: XX/topic: IG Rechartering/
12:54:01 <mlagally> mmc: DTDL will be difficult
12:54:07 <mlagally> topic: TF reports
12:54:25 <kaz> s/topic: smart cities workshop/topic: Smart Cities Workshop/
12:54:36 <kaz> s/topic: testing/topic: Testing/
12:54:54 <kaz> s/topic: publication planning/topic: Publication Planning/
12:55:07 <kaz> s/topic: liaisons/topic: Liaisons/
12:55:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:55:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:55:39 <mlagally> dape: Scripting: working on finalizing some topic around discovery. We decided for scripting that the review of minutes is happening outside of the call.
12:55:47 <mlagally> mmc: others could follow that model
12:55:49 <kaz> i/ITU-T got/subtopic: ITU-T SG20/
12:56:09 <mlagally> ... tooling: perhaps we could do minutes in github
12:56:14 <kaz> i/please check this/topic: ECHONET/
12:57:17 <kaz> i|EClass and ISO|topic: ECLASS and ISO TC184/SC4|
12:57:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:57:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:58:01 <kaz> s/topic: ECLASS/subtopic: ECLASS/
12:58:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:58:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:58:19 <mlagally> ... Security / Best practices - Some PRs and cleanup are going on, specifically wrt. OAuth. This should be removed from the UC document, will clean it up in the best practices document.
12:58:23 <kaz> i/OPC-UA/subtopic: the Other Liaisons/
12:58:27 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:58:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:58:57 <mlagally> sk: Marketing: content updates for the web page - news on twitter to share info about vF2F
12:59:34 <mlagally> ... some discussions about visitor counters, identify room for improvements
13:00:17 <mlagally> ... create a youtube channel with WoT based videos
13:00:18 <mlagally> q+
13:01:18 <mlagally> ... Ege plans to hire a student to create tutorials
13:02:09 <kaz> [ please note I gave a comment on that ]
13:02:37 <kaz> q+
13:03:18 <kaz> ack m
13:03:20 <kaz> q-
13:04:42 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
13:04:46 <kaz> ml: Use Cases
13:04:51 <kaz> ... had discussion on ECLASS
13:05:19 <kaz> ... expecting further collaboration on how to use their data definition from TD based on some concrete use case
13:05:25 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:05:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:05:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
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13:06:14 <kaz> s/topic: ECHO/subtopic: ECHO/
13:06:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:06:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:07:09 <kaz> s/refer to the ontologies/refer to their ontologies./
13:07:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:07:32 <kaz> s/EClass/ECLASS/
13:07:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
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