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12:32:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:32:46 <trackbot> Date: 14 July 2021
12:32:49 <jasonjgw> agenda+ XR Accessibility User Requirements: issues.
12:32:49 <jasonjgw> agenda+ WebXR Layers API level 1 review.
12:33:09 <jasonjgw> agenda+ W3C Automotive activity and accessibility.
12:33:32 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
12:33:32 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
12:33:32 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
12:33:49 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
12:33:49 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
12:33:50 <Zakim> 1. XR Accessibility User Requirements: issues. [from jasonjgw]
12:33:50 <Zakim> 2. WebXR Layers API level 1 review. [from jasonjgw]
12:33:50 <Zakim> 3. W3C Automotive activity and accessibility. [from jasonjgw]
12:33:50 <Zakim> 4. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:33:50 <Zakim> 5. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:33:51 <Zakim> 6. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
12:34:10 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:34:12 <jasonjgw> present+
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12:59:56 <janina> present+
12:59:58 <jasonjgw> present+
13:00:00 <janina> scribe: janina
13:01:20 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:01:20 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- XR Accessibility User Requirements: issues. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:01:37 <janina> regrets: Scott, Judy, Steve
13:01:43 <Joshue108> present+
13:02:32 <janina> jgw: Still believe our doc is close to final, but there are still a series of issues we've been clearing
13:04:05 <janina> jo: Believe we've been making our text clearer
13:04:37 <janina> jo: Also awaiting COGA responses; they're on a two week time out
13:05:53 <janina> jgw: Now expecting we can finish editorial work by next call
13:06:33 <janina> jgw: Plan is final RQTF review following next mtg, then apa CfC the week following
13:07:19 <janina> jgw: Clarifies editorial are in branch; but substantive issues logged as separate github issues
13:07:26 <janina> jo: Good, I've dealt with github
13:08:02 <janina> jo: Broadly very happy with the edits; believe they make things clearer
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13:08:43 <janina> jgw: Questions? Comments?
13:08:48 <janina> [crickets]
13:08:52 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:08:53 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- WebXR Layers API level 1 review. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:09:28 <janina> jgw: On our agenda as part of horizontal APA review process ...
13:09:34 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/TR/webxrlayers-1/
13:10:07 <Joshue108> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2021May/0040.html
13:10:58 <janina> jo: Concern is that may be a11y implications to rendering resolution adjustments
13:11:21 <janina> jo: Concerned we may need to prevelege captions/ content?
13:12:33 <jasonjgw> Janina: This spec provides a mechanism whereby resolution may be lowered (e.g., bandwidth constraints). We want to privilege accessibility-critical rendering over non-critical rendering.
13:13:33 <janina> jgw: Sounds like something we should raise
13:14:52 <jasonjgw> Janina can move this forward as a resolution within the APA Working Group. Janina reviews the process: APA identifies issues that raise accessibility concerns in W3C specifications. APA then engages with the relevant Working Group to resolve those concerns before the technical specification proceeds to W3C Recommendation.
13:16:12 <jasonjgw> All participants in APA can take part in the decision-making process regarding such comments. Janina considers it would be valuable to have research identifying the difficulties that arise when resolution drops below a specified threshold.
13:16:32 <jasonjgw> This would assist in documenting why the accessibility-specific parts of the rendering need to remain at an adequate resolution.
13:16:53 <Joshue108> JW: That is reasonable
13:16:56 <Joshue108> present+
13:17:05 <Joshue108> Anyone else aware of it?
13:18:03 <jasonjgw> Janina notes that captioning in immersive environments consumes a small part of the bandwidth also.
13:18:51 <Joshue108> ACTION: Josh to ping Immersive Captions group for input on the importance of high resolution for captions
13:18:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2297 - Ping immersive captions group for input on the importance of high resolution for captions [on Joshue O Connor - due 2021-07-21].
13:18:53 <jasonjgw> Janina: clarification of what happens when resolution degrades too much is useful to justify treating accessibility-critical components specially.
13:19:45 <jasonjgw> Janina agrees taht, as it's likely to be a separate stream, privileging it shouldn't be difficult.
13:19:59 <Joshue108> s/taht/that
13:20:06 <janina> jgw: Sounds like we have a good path forward
13:20:49 <jasonjgw> Janina: it hasn't reached the later stages of the process yet.
13:22:12 <jasonjgw> Janina: notes there is a new dashboard tracking APA Working Group specification reviews.
13:22:39 <janina> jgw: Proposes to return to topic next week
13:22:47 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:22:47 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- W3C Automotive activity and accessibility. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:23:53 <janina> ted: Introduces himself ...
13:24:27 <janina> ted: former W3C staff, working on incorporating a11y needs into automotive/transportation
13:25:38 <janina> jgw: So, for the r&d discussions, we're the spot for a11y! Are you thinking of anything specific you wanted to highlight for our cdiscussion?
13:25:46 <janina> jgw: Invites topic intro ...
13:26:07 <janina> ted: Focus more on service and data models
13:26:34 <janina> ted: notes vehicles today are mini networks that produce data and respond to data
13:26:56 <janina> ted: lots of interest from all kinds of directions, traffic management, fleet management, insurance, etc
13:27:05 <janina> ted: much of this is behind the scenes and has no UI
13:27:31 <janina> ted: But some people need adaptive controls; and phps standards could facilitate that
13:28:09 <janina> ted: thinking to support any device the passenger/driver brings
13:28:21 <janina> ted: so far a best practices doc
13:30:00 <jasonjgw> Janina: notes the various activities that take place in a vehicle - driving, entertainment, communication, etc. Janina inquires whether there is a good classification/delineation of activities in the data and control functions.
13:30:34 <janina> ted: no media interfaces but hoping to work with the groups that do that
13:30:55 <janina> ted: industry seems to be moving toward android automotive
13:32:23 <janina> janina: underscores mono culture
13:32:42 <janina> jgw: Notes our NAUR doc
13:32:43 <Joshue108> JW: We are also looking at Natural Language interfaces etc
13:33:00 <janina> jgw: other issues as industry moves to partially or fully autonomous
13:33:00 <Joshue108> There are issues with partly or autonomous vehicles
13:33:21 <janina> jgw: notes we've had some discussion in the past, but don't believe we've documented in a single doc
13:34:17 <janina> jgw: Phps we could consider an AUR
13:34:27 <janina> jgw: Invites comments ...
13:35:37 <janina> ted: Notes how VW is taking a11y very seriously and working on incorporating a11y into vehicle design
13:36:44 <janina> ted: are other similar ... we can give input as may be desired
13:36:56 <Joshue108> q+
13:37:06 <Joshue108> JW: What are next steps?
13:37:19 <Joshue108> JS: This is place to take it up
13:37:20 <jasonjgw> Janina: wishes to take it up in RQTF.
13:37:28 <Joshue108> JW: Thats clear
13:37:52 <Joshue108> We have a doc close to publication on XR and Natural Language interfaces, also Media Sync
13:38:12 <janina> jgw: jgw: Discusses how RQTF might take this up ...
13:38:13 <Joshue108> We could start another one on automotive and then start requirement gathering exercise
13:38:27 <Joshue108> ack me
13:38:37 <janina> q?
13:39:21 <janina> jo: asks ted if there are particular aspects where our help would be most useful?
13:40:04 <janina> ted: points to the wiki that's noted above and intended to become a best practices dos
13:41:02 <Joshue108> JW: Looks at current docs and their relevance
13:41:10 <Joshue108> Realtime overlays?
13:41:31 <jasonjgw> Janina: notes that augmented reality (real-time overlays) may be relevant.
13:41:53 <jasonjgw> Janina: enhancing resolution as light conditions change - this is somewht related to XR.
13:42:12 <jasonjgw> Janina: we should consider our RTC document with a view to automotive applications.
13:42:26 <jasonjgw> Similarly for our Remote Meetings work.
13:43:38 <janina> jo: So do we add that to Ted's best practices? Or upversion our doc?
13:43:48 <Joshue108> JW: This does overlap
13:43:58 <janina> jgw: Expect some overlap with our existing and forthcoming docs
13:44:02 <Joshue108> We have discussed in the past the issues that arise with vehicles
13:44:25 <janina> jgw: maybe discussions first, then decisions on where they fit
13:44:50 <janina> jgw: suggests next week?
13:44:52 <janina> ted: can do
13:47:40 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:47:40 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:48:20 <janina> jgw: Notes a number of open issues and a pr on github
13:48:36 <janina> jgw: proposes to revisit naur once we move xaur to APA
13:49:54 <Joshue108> JS: Am I a blocker here?
13:50:02 <Joshue108> JW: John raised issues, Josh to review
13:50:11 <Joshue108> Some decisions need to be made.
13:50:19 <Joshue108> JS: Sounds fair
13:50:35 <jasonjgw> Janina: inquires into what stands in the way of the pull requests.
13:52:07 <janina> j[discussion on whether anyone is blocking progress and what should be next]
13:52:57 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:52:57 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:53:30 <janina> jgw: Notes Steve has been making contributions with additional content and references
13:53:37 <janina> jgw: He continues to review the litt
13:54:05 <jasonjgw> Janina is hopeful of a first public working draft in September/October.
13:54:52 <jasonjgw> Janina: suggests we review the table of contents to look for topics that may be missing.
13:55:18 <jasonjgw> Janina: then subject-matter experts can write generic guidance - even in the absence of documented research.
13:55:40 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:55:40 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:56:25 <Joshue108> JW: Prep for TPAC
13:56:32 <Joshue108> JS: Thanks for detailed response
13:56:44 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021
13:56:44 <Joshue108> And noting who we want to talk to
13:56:48 <jasonjgw> Janina: notes Jason's response regarding TPAC agenda yesterday.
13:57:13 <jasonjgw> Janina notes the wiki page in which we're tring to bring together whom we wish to meet with and on what topics.
13:57:47 <jasonjgw> Janina notes that it takes time to organize meetings, and time slots are limited. We therefore try to organize early and to start the scheduling conversations early.
13:58:18 <jasonjgw> Contacts with other working gorups need to start soon. We're already within 100 days of TPAC.
13:58:40 <jasonjgw> Janina would like to keep this as an agendum - preferably relatively early as a priority.
13:59:01 <jasonjgw> Janina can take the next steps for now, but believes this should be a topic for the next few weeks at RQTf.
14:00:03 <janina> jgw: Suggests TPAC to be 2nd agendum next week
14:00:48 <jasonjgw> zakim,rrsagent, make minutes
14:00:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'rrsagent, make minutes', jasonjgw
14:01:01 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:01:18 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
14:01:18 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, Joshue
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14:01:27 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, make minutes
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