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17:57:01 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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17:57:38 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Jemma
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18:03:07 <Jemma> agenda?
18:03:42 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/July-13%2C-2021-Agenda
18:05:01 <jongund> scribe: jongund
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18:05:26 <jongund> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1830
18:05:51 <jongund> TOPIC: Meeting Survey
18:06:01 <jongund> MK: Is there any sruvey results
18:06:11 <jongund> JK: We can look at it at the end of the call
18:06:23 <jongund> TOPIC: Update Accordion example code and behavior
18:06:28 <jongund> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1830
18:06:46 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1834
18:07:02 <jongund> TOPIC: Draft: Two accordion examples, one basic and one of a group with only one open accordion
18:07:09 <jongund> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1834
18:07:31 <jongund> SH: The issue raised with macOS is a known issue
18:07:36 <jongund> MK: What happens
18:07:59 <jongund> SH: It exposes the heading weirdly, some times the button and sometimes the heasing
18:08:19 <jongund> SH: I have run into this problem before, and Apple knows about it
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18:08:41 <jongund> MK: We will see what happens when this get in the ARIA-AT project
18:08:45 <CurtBellew> present+
18:08:53 <jongund> present+ jongund
18:09:04 <jongund> MK: It is not something we can change
18:09:33 <jongund> SH: I have talked to people who think this is a problem, but Apple has not addressed the issue
18:09:45 <jongund> MK: Does Chrome behave differently?
18:10:12 <jongund> MK: Usually this type of issue is not browser dependent
18:10:25 <jongund> JK: We need for people to complete their reviewes
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18:10:42 <jongund> MK: We will address the issue with ARIA-AT
18:11:05 <jongund> SH: This bug has not seemed to gain any traction at Apple
18:11:51 <jongund> MK: We need to updated the pending reviewers in GitHub
18:13:32 <Jemma> "At the APG meeting today is was suggested to remove the aria-required and aria-hidden from the standard form controls, since they are not needed for the accordion pattern and increase the amount of documentation and testing for the example."
18:13:55 <jongund> SH: There were some comments and I will do an update
18:14:08 <jongund> MK: We should wait for the changes
18:14:14 <jongund> SH: I will make them today
18:14:33 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1834
18:15:35 <jongund> TOPIC: Listbox Deprecation Warning
18:15:43 <jongund> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1852
18:15:53 <jongund> MK: I left comments, where they addressed?
18:17:07 <jongund> JG: The checklist needs to be removed, we are only reviewing the label
18:17:15 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1852#issuecomment-833903987
18:17:38 <Jemma> "1. Prepend (Deprecated) to title tag and H1
18:17:38 <Jemma> 2. Remove link from main doc and other example pages"
18:17:48 <jongund> MK: When we deprecate the example, we should remove links o the document, we do not need to document in the APG that it is deprecated
18:17:57 <jongund> MK: Does this PR remove the links?
18:18:36 <jongund> JN: I am super confused about the new link, the example it points to is not deprecated
18:18:45 <jongund> MK: I want to completely remove that links
18:18:57 <jongund> JN: We need to link to the new combobox
18:19:24 <jongund> MK: We have that link in the combobox section, I don;t think we should have a link from listbox
18:19:45 <Jemma> present+ Jamesn
18:19:49 <jongund> JN: We could have a addtional links, people are use to looking for it in listbox
18:20:01 <Jemma> present+ curtbellew
18:20:04 <jongund> MK: For this PR to keep it simple, we should just remove it
18:20:09 <jongund> JN: That's fine
18:20:09 <Jemma> present+ Siri
18:20:26 <jongund> MK: Is it removed from the other listbox example pages?
18:20:52 <jongund> MK: In this PR can you removed the links in related examples?
18:20:55 <jongund> SH: Yes
18:20:59 <MarkMcCarthy> present+
18:21:28 <jongund> TOPIC: Coverage Report Update
18:22:34 <Jemma> jon: my request is about github.io so that this can have the most updated info about apg example coverage
18:23:05 <Jemma> mck: it would be beneficial to have updated automatically
18:23:24 <Jemma> s/have updated/have the coverage report updated/
18:25:12 <jongund> MK: First step is to get it automatically updated in GitHub actions
18:25:17 <Jemma> action items: 1)run the report automatically, 2) add report info to wiki and readme.
18:25:17 <trackbot> Error finding 'items'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/users>.
18:27:00 <Jemma> Action: Jemma will create the issue for Simon to run the coverage report script automatically
18:27:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2156 - Will create the issue for simon to run the coverage report script automatically [on JaEun Jemma Ku - due 2021-07-20].
18:27:02 <jongund> coverage-report.js
18:27:47 <Jemma> Action: Jemma will add coverage report url to readme and wiki.
18:27:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2157 - Will add coverage report url to readme and wiki. [on JaEun Jemma Ku - due 2021-07-20].
18:28:29 <Jemma> Topic: Expedited Review Update
18:29:53 <Jemma> jon: looking for new process to experdiated review. One idea may be setting  some designated time for the review.
18:30:13 <MarkMcCarthy> s/experdiated /expidited
18:32:25 <Jemma> mck: we have been priortizing the works and trying to go with sequence depending on the PRs
18:32:52 <Jemma> jon: what is your current rate of PR review/merge process?
18:33:44 <Jemma> mck: according to the second half of 202*, we processed 47(?), non npm issues.
18:36:43 <Jemma> jamesn/mck: we don't have enough reviewers to meet with expectation
18:37:00 <Jemma> ... but quality of doc is very important.
18:37:12 <Jemma> jon: how about community group's help?
18:37:58 <Jemma> jamesn: As aria re-chartering is near, may we add community group idea to new charter?
18:39:26 <Jemma> mck; I think the bigger charter question may be a joint task force with community group or only community group. but I have concern for adding w3c contact staff support to community group.
18:39:53 <Jemma> mck: we can name it as APG feedback community group?
18:41:39 <Jemma> jamesn: if we were to set something up, we can consider how we are going to recruit the right quality of people.
18:42:34 <Jemma> mck: I am really interested in recruiting the accessibility engineers, consultant to ensure the quality of the work
18:43:05 <Jemma> ...recruitng, onboarding and training should be added.
18:43:36 <Jemma> we need support on functionality and reviews.
18:45:21 <Jemma> sarah: only reviewing changes may be helpful(narrow down the scope of the review)
18:46:00 <Jemma> ... solicit reviews from wide range of audience
18:47:35 <Jemma> summary of topics: quality of work, more reviewers, commitment
18:48:41 <Jemma> curt: lack of resources which conflicting with full time job is the issue.
18:49:23 <Jemma> mark: I tried to recruit other people but they have the same challenges of conflicting resources.
18:49:42 <Jemma> jon: instead of weekly meeting, we can assign one week only for reviews.
18:50:06 <Jemma> james: would you like to use aria deep dive session for that?
18:50:52 <Jemma> mck: having some meeting time to excercise different accessibility will be good.
18:51:42 <Jemma> such as functionality, visual, and other review except code review.
18:52:05 <Jemma> siri: I like Jon's idea to utilize one aria meeting time.
18:52:21 <Jemma> and we provide the input/feedback about the example
18:52:48 <Jemma> ... document known issues so that we can avoid duplicate work.
18:53:46 <Jemma> Topic:Tooltip design subgroup
18:55:54 <Jemma> Jon: we can pull someone out of APG to get help
18:56:16 <Jemma> mck: we can reach out to WAI
18:58:13 <Jemma> sarah: one month to indicate the interest and then start the work?
18:58:35 <Jemma> mck: yes, that is reasonable.
18:59:00 <Jemma> jamesn: sarah can reach out to specific a11y slack channel
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