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14:58:23 <Zakim> Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee
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14:59:38 <Ralph> present+ George, Ralph
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15:00:14 <Ralph> regrets: WendyR, Cristina, Tzviya
15:00:21 <Ralph> present+ Liisa
15:01:02 <Ralph> present+ Ivan, Daihei
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15:01:38 <Ralph> agenda+ In memory of Garth
15:01:48 <Ralph> agenda+ Publishing Community Videos and Q&A Session
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15:01:58 <Ralph> agenda+ Around the Table
15:02:04 <dauwhe> Topic: in memory of Garth
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15:02:23 <dauwhe> Ralph: does W3C acknowledge this?
15:02:25 <liisamk> present+
15:02:31 <dauwhe> ... yes, we'll do a blog post
15:02:43 <dauwhe> ... Tzviya has volunteered to write it
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15:04:01 <dauwhe> George: I've sent an article I've written to Tzviya, Brady, & Laura
15:04:48 <Daihei> +1 to Dave: That's great!
15:04:49 <dauwhe> Dave: we added a dedication to the EPUB spec
15:04:58 <Ralph> Dave++ for adding the acknowledgement to the specs
15:05:35 <Daihei> q+
15:06:17 <dauwhe> Daihei: I am collecting photos relating to garth from colleagues in Japan
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15:06:33 <dauwhe> Ralph: there was a page that Brady set up?
15:06:51 <dauwhe> liisamk: it was linked in Tzviya's email
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15:07:29 <Ralph> -> https://photos.app.goo.gl/6LaHJxCtS88gX6PU6 sharing photos of Garth
15:09:02 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:09:02 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- In memory of Garth -- taken up [from Ralph]
15:09:11 <Ralph> zakim, close this item
15:09:11 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
15:09:12 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:09:12 <Zakim> 2. Publishing Community Videos and Q&A Session [from Ralph]
15:09:12 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:09:13 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Publishing Community Videos and Q&A Session -- taken up [from Ralph]
15:09:25 <dauwhe> Ralph: community video project...
15:09:36 <dauwhe> ... I haven't yet received any videos but it's not July 15
15:10:05 <dauwhe> liisamk: tzviya is optimistic; I'm running a week late
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15:10:34 <dauwhe> Ralph: we haven't picked a release date, September is likely
15:10:58 <dauwhe> ... will we have a Q&A for people who've watched the videos?
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15:11:43 <dauwhe> liisamk: we should think about how it relates to TPAC
15:11:55 <dauwhe> ... we're taking August off in the BG
15:12:17 <dauwhe> Ralph: would it make sense to schedule the september day around the QA?
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15:12:24 <dauwhe> liisamk: we don't want to overwhelm people
15:12:51 <dauwhe> Ralph: I haven't looked at the September calendar. Do you have dates we should avoid?
15:13:05 <dauwhe> liisamk: we didn't get further than "oh gosh, September" :)
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15:14:46 <dauwhe> Ralph: we'll need to look at holiday schedules
15:15:01 <dauwhe> ... lets find a plausible date, liisamk and Daihei
15:15:15 <dauwhe> ... other logistics: what we've done for AC meetings
15:15:28 <dauwhe> ... presenters have small amount of time to recap the presentation, with maybe one slide
15:15:38 <dauwhe> ... to spur discussion. Do you think that would make sense?
15:15:45 <dauwhe> ... it tends to structure the meeting more
15:15:56 <dauwhe> ... you'd order the presenters with their one summary slide
15:16:01 <dauwhe> ... or maybe just random
15:16:17 <dauwhe> liisamk: I think having one slide from each presentation would be great
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15:16:33 <avneeshsingh> q+
15:16:37 <dauwhe> Ralph: maybe the presenters will already have a slide
15:16:41 <dauwhe> avneeshsingh: I'm confused
15:16:53 <dauwhe> ... in AC meeting, we have major topics then we slice them
15:17:02 <dauwhe> ... half hour for one topic, half hour for another topic
15:17:07 <dauwhe> ... here we have many videos
15:17:24 <dauwhe> ... if we have a summary slide and then questions, will people be confused about topics?
15:17:41 <dauwhe> ... should we schedule more than one day, or have a 90min meeting with slots?
15:17:59 <dauwhe> Ralph: we were hoping for many videos, but only have committments from half-a-dozen
15:18:07 <dauwhe> avneeshsingh: 2 or 3 from a11y side
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15:18:33 <dauwhe> Ralph: you make a good point; once we get the videos we'll realize one hour isn't enough
15:19:07 <dauwhe> ... we may have themes
15:19:54 <dauwhe> ... George suggested that this might be an ongoing project
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15:20:20 <dauwhe> George: we have a lot of webiniars in the DAISY series this fall--six or seven
15:21:01 <dauwhe> Ralph: we can coordinate
15:21:03 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:21:03 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Around the Table -- taken up [from Ralph]
15:21:19 <dauwhe> Ralph: what's on everyone's minds?
15:21:30 <dauwhe> George: this month.. holiday!
15:21:45 <dauwhe> ... we've had presentations accepted for, 2 for IMS global, two for AHG
15:21:53 <dauwhe> ... coming up in October and November
15:22:07 <dauwhe> ... and for AHG, we've had 12 presentations accepted, around EPUB
15:22:11 <dauwhe> Ralph: good work!
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15:22:19 <dauwhe> George: lots on Math and STEM
15:22:24 <dauwhe> ... and pushing into the library space
15:22:28 <dauwhe> ... which is good
15:22:53 <dauwhe> avneeshsingh: on a11y side
15:23:08 <dauwhe> ... WG note for mapping of EU a11y directive to EPUB a11y specs
15:23:21 <dauwhe> ... first major deliverable from a11y task force of WG
15:23:31 <dauwhe> ... we finished issues of user experience guide in CG
15:23:46 <dauwhe> ... EPUB a11y has made good progress, we've achieved all our major objectives
15:24:11 <dauwhe> Ralph: I gave a brief report in a team meeting, and Jeff was very enthusiastic about this progress
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15:24:28 <Ralph> Dave: EPUB 3 WG continues working on issues
15:24:44 <Ralph> ... we are massively grateful for Matt Garrish' time an expertise working on the spec
15:25:20 <Ralph> ... I feel we're probably a little behind on testing; the subgroup is starting to meet but Dan has been out for a bit
15:25:30 <Ralph> ... we have i18n reviews
15:25:36 <Ralph> ... we need TAG review
15:25:43 <Ralph> ... I'm working on explainers
15:26:01 <Ralph> ... getting some new participants in the WG
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15:26:56 <dauwhe> liisamk: we're trying to sort some world-wide difference around a11y etc
15:27:01 <dauwhe> ... lots of different conversations
15:27:10 <dauwhe> ... localized discussions
15:27:23 <dauwhe> ... around the need to touch backlist, and contacting lawyers
15:27:35 <dauwhe> ... Christina is trying to keep everyone informed re: EU commission
15:27:40 <dauwhe> ... and providing some guidance
15:27:56 <dauwhe> ... trying to convince people to go after the backlist
15:28:06 <dauwhe> ... the other thing where we're seeing differences of opinions
15:28:11 <dauwhe> ... piracy is a big thing
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15:28:24 <dauwhe> ... in the US and Europe, a huge concern for Japan
15:28:41 <dauwhe> ... part of why it's nerve-wracking is that it seems to be becoming systematic
15:28:50 <dauwhe> ... we don't know what to do about it
15:29:01 <dauwhe> ... it's not a standards thing, but it's a business concern
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15:29:30 <dauwhe> ... one other thing... as people touch more older books, concern about images, people thinking about kids books and cookboosk
15:29:35 <dauwhe> ... thinking about new things for epub
15:29:45 <dauwhe> ... will that trigger a need for more standards?
15:29:50 <dauwhe> Ralph: you mentioned images
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15:33:52 <dauwhe> ... there's a proposal to update PNG
15:34:06 <dauwhe> liisamk: almost every retail partner downsamples images
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15:34:31 <dauwhe> Ralph: the PNG WG charter proposal will come out in August
15:34:48 <dauwhe> ... the biggest thing they want to do is standardize the animation piece
15:36:22 <dauwhe> Daihei: there was a ??? workshop held two weeks ago
15:36:30 <dauwhe> ... I was part of programming committee
15:36:53 <dauwhe> ... I represented the idea that media do is implementing in Japan
15:37:07 <dauwhe> ... reviving the book stores and providing digital transformations into the pubishing industry
15:37:28 <dauwhe> ... creating and distributing ebook files, but also NFT
15:37:34 <dauwhe> ... as supplemental content
15:37:47 <dauwhe> ... or some special gift to customers out of our magazines
15:38:03 <dauwhe> ... and they will be distributed or authorized through existing bookstores
15:38:15 <dauwhe> ... digital and real coexisting together
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15:38:27 <dauwhe> ... do this by the end of this year
15:38:29 <liisamk> digital is REAL!!
15:38:43 <dauwhe> ... working with print book distributor
15:39:15 <dauwhe> ... I would like to get more participation via BG
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15:39:29 <dauwhe> ... also, Media and Entertainment IG is rechartering
15:39:41 <dauwhe> ... I welcome the idea of collaboration with them
15:40:22 <dauwhe> ... gaming and digital companies are doing novelized stories
15:40:33 <dauwhe> ... boundaries are blurring
15:41:13 <dauwhe> ... re: a11y
15:41:26 <dauwhe> ... the japanese book publishing association dealing with print books
15:41:35 <dauwhe> ... they established a11y committee
15:41:47 <dauwhe> ... to call for participation by all publishers in Japan
15:41:57 <dauwhe> ... and APL is working on this
15:42:01 <dauwhe> ... and EBPAJ
15:42:08 <dauwhe> ... I"m coordinating all of them
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15:43:01 <dauwhe> ... and we have a new leader of a11y working group at APL
15:43:27 <dauwhe> ... and there's a new APL group led by Shinya Takami
15:44:02 <dauwhe> q?
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15:44:18 <dauwhe> Ralph: who's doing liason between APL and W3C? Kodashi-san?
15:44:25 <dauwhe> Daihei: yes, and me and takami
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15:45:33 <dauwhe> Ralph: he signed up for the education and outreach WG but not the other groups
15:45:37 <dauwhe> Daihei: he will
15:46:08 <Ralph> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/agenda.html W3C Workshop on Smart Cities Agenda 25 June, 2021
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15:46:39 <dauwhe> Daihei: there's video, too
15:47:00 <dauwhe> ivan: nothing really
15:47:07 <dauwhe> ... dave covered the EPUB 3 WG ups and downs
15:47:16 <dauwhe> ... # of open issues is getting much lower
15:47:54 <dauwhe> ... Gregorio will look at RS spec
15:48:18 <dauwhe> ... Dan is out on vacation
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15:48:31 <dauwhe> ... he's reorganizing the test site, so it becomes more clear how to contribute
15:48:37 <dauwhe> ... I've worked on a reporting mechanism
15:49:23 <dauwhe> ... everyone in the WG should contribute tests
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15:53:28 <dauwhe> q?
15:54:08 <dauwhe> Ralph: ivan commented that the derivative of the number of issues is negative
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15:54:18 <dauwhe> ivan: there are 1700 issues
15:54:30 <dauwhe> Ralph: process doesn't require getting to zero
15:54:35 <dauwhe> ... what comes next?
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15:55:09 <dauwhe> ... I've covered most of my topics
15:55:12 <dauwhe> ... PNG was one
15:55:18 <dauwhe> ... I mentioned everything
15:55:37 <dauwhe> ivan: activity home page?
15:56:06 <dauwhe> Ralph: bill K wrote new text for pubishing@w3c home page
15:56:14 <dauwhe> ... I need to approve that PR
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15:56:23 <dauwhe> s/approve/review/
15:56:52 <dauwhe> George: enjoy your holiday!
15:57:03 <dauwhe> liisamk: enjoy yours, George!
15:58:13 <Ralph> [adjourned]
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15:58:19 <Ralph> zakim, end meeting
15:58:19 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been avneeshsingh, George, Ralph, dauwhe, Liisa, Ivan, Daihei, liisamk
15:58:21 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:58:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/09-pbgsc-minutes.html Zakim
15:58:24 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Ralph; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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