IRC log of rqtf on 2021-07-07

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 07 July 2021
12:33:57 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ XR Accessibility User Requirements: issues.
12:33:57 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ WebXR Layers API level 1 review.
12:33:57 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.
12:33:57 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
12:33:57 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
12:34:00 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
12:34:11 [jasonjgw]
zakim, clear agenda
12:34:11 [Zakim]
agenda cleared
12:34:21 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ XR Accessibility User Requirements: issues.
12:34:21 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ WebXR Layers API level 1 review.
12:34:21 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.
12:34:21 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
12:34:21 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
12:34:23 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
12:34:58 [jasonjgw]
present+
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chair: jasonjgw
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- XR Accessibility User Requirements: issues. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:02:31 [JPaton]
present+ John_Paton
13:02:37 [SteveNoble]
present+
13:03:20 [janina]
scribe: SteveNoble
13:03:37 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Made editorial review and edits to a branch on GitHub
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13:04:23 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Also opened a number of issues; Josh will review when he returns from holiday
13:04:50 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: List of issues are linked to the meeting agenda
13:06:11 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- WebXR Layers API level 1 review. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:06:11 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Will need to postpone discussion until Josh is her
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judy: Is there a timing framework for this?
13:07:42 [Raja]
API captions -- is there a link to it?
13:09:40 [SteveNoble]
janina: Will need to coordinate with Josh next week when he returns
13:11:00 [SteveNoble]
janina: There has been no APA action to this point; it is an early document
13:11:45 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: There is a link to the API in the meeting agenda
13:12:30 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Accessibility of Remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:12:35 [Raja]
Thanks -- I'll read this prior to next week meeting
13:14:01 [scott_h]
Remote meetings wiki https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Accessibility_of_Remote_Meetings:_Structured_Draft
13:14:19 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: We started with a Wiki, where we put in sections
13:15:04 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: Sections such as need for procurement, how to deliver remote meetings, different types of platforms, etc.
13:15:32 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: We added a lot of definitions
13:16:30 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: It would be good to have people review the new structure on the wiki
13:17:25 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: Suggest that we all can add more content if that is needed
13:18:15 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: Also examine the appendix, and consider if anything there should be merged into the main document
13:18:53 [Raja]
What is the process for editing? Like regular wikipedia?
13:19:15 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: One focus we suggest in particular is what we say about immersive captions
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•Behaviours "pin" a number of people, not just one person.
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Accessibility_of_Remote_Meetings:_Structured_Draft
13:20:59 [scott_h]
** where would it go? how do you handle multiple people
13:21:21 [scott_h]
** allow ability to move the captions, don't force it at a single place
13:24:54 [Raja]
Also, want to see spatial locations preserved
13:25:03 [Raja]
it is important for gestures and sign communication
13:25:07 [SteveNoble]
judy: there could be several different windows a user may want to pin
13:25:43 [SteveNoble]
judy: users need to know how to do this pinning - should be obvious to users
13:26:41 [SteveNoble]
Raja: it would be good to have a common layout
13:27:32 [Judy]
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13:27:33 [janina]
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13:27:34 [SteveNoble]
Raja: Either a pin or a layout that remains the same
13:28:16 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: The layout of screens will not be the same for everyone, so this could be a problem
13:28:47 [SteveNoble]
Judy: In some situations, people will want to customize their personal layout
13:29:22 [SteveNoble]
Judy: So, maybe giving people several options and user choice?
13:29:36 [SteveNoble]
janina: Three considerations
13:30:04 [SteveNoble]
janina: Maybe a standard configuration; could be a defaulyt that allows users to modify
13:30:31 [SteveNoble]
janina: Important that the user can pin some windows that always remain in place
13:30:50 [Judy]
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13:31:05 [SteveNoble]
janina: There may also be a need to support multiple monotors
13:31:41 [Raja]
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13:31:53 [SteveNoble]
Judy: When people go on/off video mute, Zoom will downgrade people who are not using their camera
13:32:23 [SteveNoble]
Raja: It would help to have a standard layout for a smaller group
13:32:38 [SteveNoble]
Raja: Large meetings are more difficult
13:33:27 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: What about leeting the meeting host set this up?
13:33:46 [SteveNoble]
Raja: That could help, but may be too much for the host to manage
13:33:48 [janina]
q+ to agree that the host may not be the best arbiter of positioning
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scott_h: Don't think this is available in current platforms, but this might be recommended
13:34:28 [Judy]
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13:35:01 [SteveNoble]
janina: Don't think making the host responsible is the best choice; let the users do this
13:35:14 [Raja]
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13:35:23 [SteveNoble]
Judy: +1 to Janina
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13:36:15 [SteveNoble]
Judy: Pinning windows and controlling this behavior may take some time to resolve
13:36:34 [SteveNoble]
Raja: In a small group meeting, the same layout is possible
13:37:28 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: Let's look at the next point
13:37:56 [scott_h]
•Incorporate captioning into products
13:38:24 [scott_h]
** where would it go? how do you handle multiple people
13:38:54 [scott_h]
** allow ability to move the captions, don't force it at a single place
13:38:55 [Judy]
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13:39:02 [Zakim]
janina, you wanted to agree that the host may not be the best arbiter of positioning
13:39:26 [Raja]
There is a default expectation of captions at bottom center of screen. and to allow user to move captions
13:39:51 [SteveNoble]
Judy: Did we mean caption in meeting platforms?
13:41:19 [SteveNoble]
Judy: Font size of captions is often too small to see; should be able to resize
13:41:33 [SteveNoble]
janina: should be also to have a high contrasty mode
13:41:58 [Judy]
s/high contrasty/high contrast/
13:42:00 [Raja]
Yes, users should be able to adjust size, contrast, etc. Isn't that already in general caption guidelines?
13:42:47 [SteveNoble]
janina: There may be a lot of wording in the MAUR we could use
13:42:48 [Raja]
For XR, the new thing is the addition of the third dimension (z axis)
13:43:02 [scott_h]
* •Allowing superimposition of a/few windows, like a captions window
13:44:41 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: What use case are we talking about?
13:47:21 [SteveNoble]
Judy: This may refer to people who want to position in a side window.
13:47:53 [SteveNoble]
Raja: We need more guidance on 3D
13:48:17 [SteveNoble]
Raja: This is for online meetings and XR?
13:48:40 [SteveNoble]
Judy: This is about online meetings; not XR
13:49:15 [SteveNoble]
Raja: For internet meetings, where captions are and being able to pin them for the person speaking
13:49:35 [SteveNoble]
Raja: How to identify who is speaking
13:50:01 [SteveNoble]
Raja: If captions move, it is hard to follow, so that is another concern
13:50:37 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: So giving the user the ability to set this will be best
13:51:36 [Judy]
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13:52:20 [SteveNoble]
Judy: Adjust size of different windows
13:53:06 [SteveNoble]
Judy: a way for the individual to modify this (e.g., have the speaker window larger)
13:54:27 [SteveNoble]
Judy: Next item deals with obfuscating objectionable language - this is likely not in scope
13:54:37 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: +1
13:55:02 [SteveNoble]
Judy: Item about low bandwidth
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Judy: Unsure if there is a realistic way to enforce bandwidth requirements
13:56:55 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: Perhaps the ability to prioritize audio, video, captions
13:57:47 [Judy]
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13:58:09 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Work is ongoing on natural language processing
13:58:55 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Continuing progress on the media synchronization document as well
13:59:23 [Judy]
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zakim, bye
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