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20:06:03 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), AndreaPerego
20:06:14 <AndreaPerego> meeting: DCAT subgroup call
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20:11:59 <riccardoAlbertoni> Chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
20:12:05 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: AndreaPerego
20:12:17 <riccardoAlbertoni> PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/06/23-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:12:31 <AndreaPerego> topic: Approve last meeting minutes
20:12:33 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:12:36 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:12:41 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:12:49 <riccardoAlbertoni> RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/06/23-dxwgdcat-minutes
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20:13:11 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.07.07
20:13:17 <AndreaPerego> topic: Approve agenda
20:13:32 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.07.07
20:13:42 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: Any change?
20:13:52 <AndreaPerego> all: [silence]
20:13:57 <riccardoAlbertoni>   Topic: Cataloged DCAT TTL - The label for the class dcat:Resource Issue #1388 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1388
20:14:32 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: It's about the rdfs:label value for dcat:Resource.
20:14:58 <AndreaPerego> ... The label does not match the fact that its subclasses may not be in a catalogue.
20:15:18 <AndreaPerego> ... She proposes to remove "cataloged" from the label.
20:16:48 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:16:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:19:27 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: The current usage note says "The class of all cataloged resources".
20:21:07 <AndreaPerego> .. So, for me it's fine to remove "cataloged" from the label, but we may need to rephrase the usage note - e.g., "The class of all resources that MAY be documented in a catalogue."
20:22:02 <AndreaPerego> s/.. So/... So/
20:22:29 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: Yes, but if we change the usage note we need to change also the other parts of the document.
20:23:13 <DaveBrowning> q+
20:23:46 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:24:28 <AndreaPerego> ... After all, when we refer to "resource" throughout the document, we mean a resource in a catalogue.
20:24:36 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack DaveBrowning
20:25:08 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I think we need to be careful about dropping "cataloged" from the label.
20:26:38 <AndreaPerego> ... The point is that dcat:Resource is meant to be an abstract class, and nobody should directly used it - they should define subclasses instead.
20:27:00 <AndreaPerego> s/directly used it/directly use it/
20:29:08 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:29:41 <AndreaPerego> ... Making it less linked to a catalogue may lead to misunderstandings and inconsistent use.
20:30:17 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:31:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:31:54 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:33:13 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: I think this is a very good point, and I don't have a proposal to address the issue.
20:36:48 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: So, the issue is to avoid that the name and definition of dcat:Resource is not putting a constraint in its subclasses preventing their use outside a catalogue.
20:36:51 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:37:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:38:23 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: Maybe we could explicitly state that dcat:Dataset and dcat:DataService can also be used outside a catalogue, irrespective of what is said for dcat:Resource.
20:42:24 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Maybe we can keep "cataloged" in the label, and relax the usage note as I said earlier. Noting also that the definition of dcat:Resource is not mentioning at all "catalogues".
20:43:26 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:45:42 <AndreaPerego> s/constraint in its/constraint on its/
20:45:47 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:51:17 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: Probably we can say that dcat:Resource SHOULD be in the catalogue.
20:51:25 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: It may work.
20:54:09 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Agree.
20:55:34 <AndreaPerego> proposed: We revise the usage note of dcat:Resource saying that is SHOULD be in a catalogue, and keep "catalogued" in the label
20:55:45 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:55:47 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:55:55 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:56:02 <AndreaPerego> resolved: We revise the usage note of dcat:Resource saying that is SHOULD be in a catalogue, and keep "catalogued" in the label
20:56:09 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:56:50 <AndreaPerego> action: riccardoAlbertoni to prepare a pull request to change usage note of dcat:Resource to say that it should be in a catalogue.
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20:58:03 <AndreaPerego> topic: Next meetings
20:59:47 <AndreaPerego> proposed: We are taking a break, and the next meeting will be Set, 1st
20:59:51 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:59:54 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:00:27 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:00:28 <AndreaPerego> resolved: We are taking a break, and the next meeting will be Set, 1st
21:00:34 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:02:55 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
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22:09:46 <AndreaPerego> s/will be Set, 1st/will be on Sept, 1st/
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