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12:51:13 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Any updates regarding meeting logistics.
12:51:13 <jasonjgw> agenda+ XR Accessibility User Requirements - open issues.
12:51:13 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.
12:51:13 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Updates and coordination regarding other work (Media Synchronization, audio transformation, Web of Things use cases, etc.).
12:51:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:51:13 <trackbot> Date: 30 June 2021
12:51:34 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
12:51:34 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
12:51:35 <Zakim> 1. Any updates regarding meeting logistics. [from jasonjgw]
12:51:35 <Zakim> 2. XR Accessibility User Requirements - open issues. [from jasonjgw]
12:51:35 <Zakim> 3. Accessibility of Remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]
12:51:35 <Zakim> 4. Updates and coordination regarding other work (Media Synchronization, audio transformation, Web of Things use cases, etc.). [from jasonjgw]
12:51:45 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:52:36 <janina> present+
12:52:46 <janina> Chair: jasonjgw
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12:59:25 <Joshue108> present+
13:01:40 <Joshue108> scribe: Joshue108
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13:02:03 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:02:03 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Any updates regarding meeting logistics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:02:32 <Joshue108> JW: Any update on logistics?
13:03:11 <Joshue108>  I think we addressed much of this last week
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13:03:37 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:03:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- XR Accessibility User Requirements - open issues. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:03:42 <Joshue108> If anyone has issues we can come back
13:03:45 <SteveNoble> present+
13:03:59 <scott_h> present+
13:04:01 <Joshue108> JW: We have a series of open issues
13:04:12 <Joshue108> A branch relating to COGA feedback has been created
13:04:30 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/COGA-XR-input/xaur/index.html
13:04:37 <Joshue108> JW: Where do we stand?
13:05:04 <Joshue108> 4.20 Wayfinding - Review of XR Accessibility User Requirements COGA #180
13:05:41 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/COGA-XR-input/xaur/index.html#mono-audio-option
13:05:54 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/COGA-XR-input/xaur/index.html#orientation-and-navigation
13:05:58 <jasonjgw> Josh: way finding - Josh has added material related to mono audio.
13:06:09 <jasonjgw> It is important for spatial orientation.
13:06:21 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/COGA-XR-input/xaur/index.html#spatial-orientation-mono-audio-option
13:06:59 <jasonjgw> Josh broadened the scope of an existing User Need to address spatial orientation issues.
13:07:00 <janina> q+
13:07:24 <jasonjgw> Josh updated the title (of the section).
13:07:54 <jasonjgw> Josh added a note characterizing the orientation issues.
13:08:15 <Joshue108> q?
13:08:18 <Joshue108> ack ack
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13:09:06 <Judy> q+
13:09:10 <Judy> ack ja
13:09:24 <Joshue108> ack judy
13:11:35 <jasonjgw> Josh notes that the suggestions regarding placement of accessibility options are reasonable, but Judy's concerns are well founded.
13:13:10 <Judy> +1 to the importance of discoverability
13:13:12 <Judy> q+
13:13:47 <Joshue108> ack jud
13:13:52 <Joshue108> q+ janina
13:14:04 <janina> q+ to suggest incorporation by reference
13:15:29 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/COGA-XR-input/xaur/index.html#orientation-and-navigation
13:15:35 <Joshue108> ack jani
13:15:35 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to suggest incorporation by reference
13:15:36 <jasonjgw> Josh notes a further issue on orientation/navigation.
13:16:01 <Joshue108> JS: I think we shouldn't discuss that here, as it is a general issue
13:16:08 <Joshue108> we may just need a pointer
13:16:16 <Joshue108> +1 that
13:16:55 <jasonjgw> Josh changed the title to reflect that the orientation and navigation issue is about focus and navigation.
13:17:24 <scott_h> q+
13:17:33 <Joshue108> ack scott
13:17:45 <Joshue108> SH: As a screen mag user I think the wording is great
13:17:54 <Joshue108> Works well now to have that guidance
13:18:22 <Joshue108> JW: Can we pick a doc or cross reference, or note on discoverability?
13:18:41 <Joshue108> JB: We should look at what we are pointing people to..
13:18:59 <Joshue108> Regarding authoring tool a11y guideance that is old./
13:19:09 <Joshue108> JS: Dont have a pointer.
13:19:22 <Joshue108> JB: Our stuff may be a little stale or more web.
13:19:34 <Joshue108> We may need to do a separate thing on this.
13:19:38 <Joshue108> JS: Or ask Silver?
13:22:14 <Joshue108> q?
13:22:43 <Joshue108> JW: Everyone happy with these changes?
13:22:49 <Joshue108> JS: We have a +1 in Zoom
13:23:52 <Joshue108> JOC: I will move these changes into main
13:24:16 <Joshue108> 4.21 Understanding Actionable Targets - Review of XR Accessibility User Requirements COGA #181
13:24:20 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/181
13:25:06 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/COGA-XR-input/xaur/index.html#interaction-and-target-customization
13:25:25 <jasonjgw> Josh: Based on discussion at last week's meeting, Josh drafted a note to the effect that these issues are best addressed through the further development of accessibility APIs.
13:26:26 <jasonjgw> Under "interaction and target customization", Josh has added a note regarding the role of assistive technologies in indicating to users what targets are actionable and how to interact with them.
13:26:32 <janina> q+ Isn't this a general need? Not just COGA? It's also a s creen reader need.
13:26:43 <Joshue108> q?
13:26:57 <Joshue108> JS: I think this is a general need
13:27:10 <Joshue108> But doesn't need we shouldnt say it
13:27:20 <Joshue108> Good that COGA surfaced it
13:27:30 <Joshue108> It is also a screen reader need
13:29:02 <Joshue108> JW: Sounds reasonable
13:29:12 <Joshue108> JOC: Any concerns?
13:30:58 <Joshue108> JW: This is a general need - essential for some useful for all etc
13:31:24 <Joshue108> JW: There is a layer to provide this info on the user side, then there is providing affordances in the UI
13:31:31 <Joshue108> Then you have met the requirement
13:32:01 <Joshue108> Also relates to https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/184
13:33:09 <jasonjgw> Josh: we still need to discuss 182, 183 and 176.
13:33:13 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/182
13:33:19 <Joshue108> Janina commented on this before
13:33:26 <Joshue108>  Immersive semantics and customization #182
13:34:23 <Joshue108> JOC: Gives overview of backstory
13:34:38 <Joshue108> JS: I dont think we need every UI dev to make up their own
13:34:45 <Joshue108> this would be confusing
13:34:57 <Joshue108> We have overlay mark up technology emerging
13:35:13 <Joshue108> So we can say support the personalisation technology
13:36:19 <jasonjgw> Josh will discuss this on a meeting tomorrow and clarify it further.
13:37:32 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/176
13:37:38 <Joshue108> Does not provide enough information for actionable implementation [XAUR] #176
13:38:07 <Joshue108> https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/13/health/virtual-reality-vr-dangers-safety/index.html
13:38:53 <jasonjgw> Discussion of the issue led to reference to an article on losing track of time in immersive environments.
13:39:29 <Judy> q+
13:39:38 <Joshue108> https://xrsi.org
13:40:00 <janina> https://lite.duckduckgo.com/lite/
13:40:17 <janina> Oops, wrong link , one moment ...
13:40:51 <Joshue108> ack judy
13:42:23 <Joshue108> JB: I dont know that community
13:42:26 <janina> APA Videos: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/video-examples
13:42:44 <Joshue108> SH: Most devices have some sort of health and well being section etc
13:43:08 <Joshue108> DOnt know if it needs to be referenced
13:43:21 <Joshue108> Logical that XR would have it too
13:43:38 <Joshue108> JS: I'd expect the platform to allow the XR environment to do this.
13:45:02 <Joshue108> JS: It should talk about integrating with platform provided tooling tools, such as digital wellbeing, alarms etc.
13:47:00 <Joshue108> Josh to update user need 12 with this.
13:47:52 <Joshue108> JS: There is a relevant video here on media queries
13:48:40 <Raja> So some accessibility issues veer into health (and to be located under digital well-being). Is there a consistent way to make that distinction?
13:50:01 <Joshue108> JS: Josh to add these changes to the branch and merge into main etc
13:50:12 <Joshue108> JW: This closes issues
13:50:26 <Joshue108> Then we will have a draft to review and consider any further concerns etc
13:50:36 <Joshue108> I've noticed a couple of editorial issues
13:50:40 <Joshue108> Minor things
13:50:51 <Joshue108> We are on track towards publication
13:51:05 <Joshue108> Come back to this next week, and then proceed with a CFC
13:51:10 <Joshue108> JS: Absolutely
13:51:30 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:51:30 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Accessibility of Remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:51:53 <Joshue108> JS: Scott wanted to highlight recent work and request review
13:52:01 <Joshue108> SH: I need some more time if ok?
13:52:05 <Joshue108> JW: Sounds good
13:52:09 <Joshue108> SH: All good
13:52:13 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:52:13 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, jasonjgw
13:52:23 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 4
13:52:23 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Updates and coordination regarding other work (Media Synchronization, audio transformation, Web of Things use cases, etc.). -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:52:57 <Joshue108> JW: Janina has update on a user needs document
13:53:26 <Joshue108> JS: We have ongoing work in APA, in a cross group effort relating to the Accessibility Guidelines WG
13:53:59 <Joshue108> To specify user needs it will help APA in spec reviews of other groups
13:54:19 <Joshue108> JS: It will help with gap analysis
13:54:25 <Joshue108> Only two questions
13:54:33 <Judy> q+
13:54:42 <Joshue108> All of our TFs can participate
13:54:44 <Joshue108> ack ju
13:55:08 <Joshue108> JB: With new people joining the references and the process may be hard to understand.
13:55:29 <Joshue108> JB: This relates to the FAST - Framework for the Accessible Specificiation of Technology
13:55:47 <Joshue108> https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/
13:55:57 <Joshue108> JB:< Gives background>
13:56:10 <Joshue108> JB: There is also a checklist of this
13:56:19 <Joshue108> https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/checklist.html
13:56:45 <Joshue108> JB: Is a helpful document, and not sure how much others have looked at it.
13:57:02 <Joshue108> JB: This has not come up for review many times before
13:57:22 <Joshue108> JS: You will need a login
13:57:45 <Joshue108> JB: Raja and Frances will need accounts to login
13:57:53 <Joshue108> JS: We can take comments via email
14:00:18 <Raja> ok
14:00:21 <Joshue108> <Josh extended the questionnaire closing date till July 7th>
14:01:02 <Raja> I'll check and get access if needed
14:01:27 <Joshue108> JS: Regarding the Media Sync and Natural Language Interfaces, I've been working on those
14:01:45 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:01:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/30-rqtf-minutes.html Joshue108
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