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13:45:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference
13:45:52 <trackbot> Date: 30 June 2021
13:46:02 <Irfan> Present+
13:46:09 <Irfan> Chair: Irfan Ali
13:46:39 <Irfan> Agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:46:46 <Irfan> zakim, agenda?
13:46:46 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
13:46:47 <Zakim> 2. Review Feedback [from paul_grenier]
13:46:47 <Zakim> 3. Conferences [from paul_grenier]
13:46:47 <Zakim> 4. Other Business [from paul_grenier]
13:46:47 <Zakim> 5. Agenda Review & Announcements [from Irfan]
13:47:07 <Irfan> zakim, clear agenda
13:47:07 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:47:10 <Irfan> Agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:47:19 <Irfan> Agenda+ Review Feedback
13:47:27 <Irfan> Agenda+ Conferences
13:47:35 <Irfan> Agenda+ Other Business
13:47:48 <Irfan> regrets: Paul
13:47:56 <Irfan> regrets: Roy
13:48:58 <Irfan> regrets: Dee
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14:09:16 <Irfan> zakim, next item
14:09:16 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from Irfan]
14:10:20 <Irfan> agenda+ outreach to AT vendor for feedback
14:11:23 <Irfan> zakim, take up item 3
14:11:23 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Conferences -- taken up [from Irfan]
14:14:21 <Irfan>  https://accessinghigherground.org/irfan-ali-spoken-presentation-in-html/
14:16:29 <Irfan> zakim, take up item 5
14:16:29 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- outreach to AT vendor for feedback -- taken up [from Irfan]
14:17:10 <Irfan> mhakkinen: have reached out to Joanie but havent heard back
14:17:33 <Irfan> mhakkinen: reached out to MS also and trying to get the feedback.
14:17:46 <Irfan> mhakkinen: Janina was going to reach out to NVDA
14:18:35 <Irfan> janina: may be reaching out to publishing people in MS will help
14:19:02 <Irfan> james-gable-nwea: I can reach out to Doug in MS
14:19:30 <Irfan> mhakkinen: Ask Doug that we will appreciate the feedback on our technical document. this is time sensitive
14:20:27 <Irfan> mhakkinen: He can add his comments or create a ticket and mention his idea about the two approaches that we have in our document
14:21:25 <Irfan> JF: ePub people are working on some proposal. They are focusing on reading system which reads the ePub document but doesn't provide the navigational stuff. It may be part of larger picture.
14:21:38 <Irfan> mhakkinen: are they proposing anything beyond what they already have?
14:21:58 <Irfan> mhakkinen: we did meet them but I didn't get any impression that they have anything specific planned
14:22:41 <Irfan> JF: feedback I got from that they wont get any traction from reading system vendors but I do not have any specific information. May be I can dig that info in my meeting with ePub
14:23:22 <Irfan> mhakkinen: my recollection is building pre-epud reading system. but non of them implemented any kind of SSML support.
14:23:52 <JF> https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/tts/
14:25:34 <Irfan> mhakkinen: other organization is Amazon. They have read aloud capability in kindle. not sure if they are doing anything behind the scene to enable correct pronunciation
14:26:10 <Irfan> mhakkinen: John- if you find any new info that ePub is doing related to pronunciation please share.
14:26:39 <Irfan> JF: Not sure if we want to put the agenda item for APA call.
14:27:23 <Irfan> janina: this is not the week to do that
14:27:47 <Irfan> JF: I am walkign into ePub group with ideas and look forward.
14:30:07 <Irfan> zakim, agenda?
14:30:07 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
14:30:09 <Zakim> 1. Agenda Review & Announcements [from Irfan]
14:30:09 <Zakim> 2. Review Feedback [from Irfan]
14:30:10 <Zakim> 3. Conferences [from Irfan]
14:30:10 <Zakim> 4. Other Business [from Irfan]
14:30:10 <Zakim> 5. outreach to AT vendor for feedback [from Irfan]
14:30:18 <Irfan> zakim, take up item 2
14:30:18 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review Feedback -- taken up [from Irfan]
14:30:42 <Irfan> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/88
14:34:22 <Irfan> janina: this topic is hard of an agenda of meeting which is scheduled on Thursday setup by Shadi.  I proposed to frontier who may be interested in the topic that existing API are insufficient. I agree that current API dont help. we need something. I also understand that AOM does not work. If the university of lisbon people are interested and we can get some funding that we can hope to take it forward.
14:34:55 <Irfan> mhakkinen: we need to engage owner of UI automation such as MS. folks on Apple, NVDA and others should be involved in this conversation
14:35:06 <Irfan> janina: how faster we can make it happen
14:35:27 <Irfan> janina: Aaron from google have the same ideas about current API
14:36:11 <Irfan> mhakkinen: who at MS is owner of UI automation?
14:36:56 <Irfan> Irfan will identify this in ARIA working group call.
14:37:57 <JF> HUGE +1 to polite response now
14:38:35 <Irfan> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/89
14:40:25 <Irfan> janina: we thought about it and have details in our gap-analysis document.
14:41:53 <Irfan> mhakkinen: I do not know how would that work for multi-attr but for single-attr is easy.
14:42:04 <Irfan> JF: that might be something that we might be lean fairly heavy
14:42:28 <Irfan> mhakkinen: paul brought it early in the discussion which could be a case to work upon
14:45:50 <Irfan> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/93
14:49:26 <Irfan> mhakkinen: at this point we can thank for the feedback. we will wait to hear the feedback from other AT vendors
14:50:31 <Irfan> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/94
14:51:19 <Irfan> Alan: didnt understand how data-ssml-voice-language works
14:51:49 <Irfan> Alan: it is confusing to me, data-ssml-say-as-* - This, in the index, indicates to me that all data-ssml-say-as- prefixes will have some * filled in indicated the actual one being used, but I think it is intended that data-ssml-say-as is also a legitimate attribute containing one of the six format types.
14:52:09 <Irfan> janina: +1 to adding examples
14:52:50 <Irfan> mhakkinen: I wonder if this is the case to map all of the SSML function to single or multi attr.
14:54:54 <Irfan> mhakkinen: voice language attr. it may be including in SSML, we don't include anything which has no existing mechanism.
14:55:06 <Irfan> Irfan: we can add more examples after our feedback review
14:55:29 <Irfan> janina: once we lock in direction that we want people to implement our approach.
14:57:25 <Irfan> JF: if there is an overlap, how does conflict resolution play out. We may need to think of the use-case.
14:58:28 <Irfan> janina: we may not support in our specification. we differ the HTML lang. I am wonder if we have reason. we want to be specific to the point about lang attribute.
14:59:31 <Irfan> janina: do we want to deferred html lang attribute.
14:59:38 <Irfan> NeilS: we should go to ssml path
15:00:08 <Irfan> zakim, next item
15:00:08 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from Irfan]
15:00:16 <Irfan> zakim, close this item
15:00:16 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
15:00:17 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:00:17 <Zakim> 3. Conferences [from Irfan]
15:00:21 <Irfan> zakim, next item
15:00:21 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Conferences -- taken up [from Irfan]
15:00:29 <Irfan> zakim, close this item
15:00:29 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:00:30 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:00:30 <Zakim> 4. Other Business [from Irfan]
15:01:35 <Irfan> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/94 adding this item in next week agenda. starting point
15:01:40 <Irfan> rrsagent, make minutes
15:01:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/30-pronunciation-minutes.html Irfan
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