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19:52:24 <Caroline_> rrsagent, make logs public
19:52:34 <Caroline_> chair: Caroline_
19:53:32 <Caroline_> regrets+ Peter, RiccardoAlbertoni (likely), DaveBrowning (likely)
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20:00:37 <plh> trackbot, start meeting
20:00:37 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
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20:03:03 <Caroline_> Present+
20:03:07 <plh> present+
20:03:11 <Rachel_> Present+
20:03:15 <kcoyle> present+
20:03:30 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
20:03:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/29-dxwg-minutes.html plh
20:03:30 <AndreaPerego> present+
20:04:19 <kcoyle> scribnick: kcoyle
20:04:28 <kcoyle> scribenick: kcoyle
20:05:07 <AndreaPerego> meeting: DXWG meeting
20:05:21 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.06.29
20:05:40 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:05:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/29-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:06:13 <AndreaPerego> s/scribnick: kcoyle//
20:06:14 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:06:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/29-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
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20:07:13 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:07:33 <Caroline_> ack AndreaPerego
20:07:33 <Ana> present +
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20:08:01 <annette_g> present+
20:08:23 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: There is an issue with the tracker - not associated with this channel
20:08:44 <kcoyle> plh: minutes will be ok; tracker has been retired
20:09:33 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/15-dxwg-minutes
20:09:44 <kcoyle> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.06.29
20:09:48 <Caroline_> +0 wasn't there
20:10:01 <Rachel_> +0 wasnt attending
20:10:05 <kcoyle> +1
20:10:08 <Ana> +1
20:10:09 <annette_g> +1
20:10:23 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:10:30 <kcoyle> resolved: approve minutes of last meeting
20:10:36 <AndreaPerego> s/ (likely)//
20:10:37 <AndreaPerego> s/ (likely)//
20:10:39 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:10:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/29-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:10:59 <kcoyle> Caroline_: using github to track issues
20:11:18 <kcoyle> plh: tracker tool tracked issues and actions; you can now do this in github
20:11:41 <plh> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/
20:12:20 <kcoyle> ... track is retired
20:12:57 <kcoyle> ... need to copy over any you want because cannot close them on old tracker
20:13:23 <annette_g> q+
20:13:24 <kcoyle> Caroline_: should move them so we don't lose them
20:13:50 <Caroline_> ack annette_g
20:14:01 <kcoyle> plh: use github issues and assign them to a person
20:14:11 <kcoyle> annette_g: is there a way to link them into the minutes?
20:14:15 <kcoyle> plh: no
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20:15:12 <kcoyle> ... there is a way to see all of the issues in these multiple repos and their status
20:15:19 <plh> https://www.w3.org/PM/Groups/issueboard.html?gid=99375
20:15:44 <kcoyle> plh: may be slow because scanning multiple repos
20:16:00 <Caroline_> ?
20:16:13 <Caroline_> s/?/
20:16:20 <kcoyle> topic: subgroup reports
20:17:02 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: DCAT subgroup had call last week, discussed what issues to address for next draft
20:17:55 <kcoyle> ... 1) about series and versioning; some concerns raised about defining inverse properties - some are for and some are against
20:18:22 <kcoyle> ... still open in recent public working draft; need to find a solution that addresses concerns
20:18:50 <kcoyle> ... 2) some feature requests related to data services; heard from implementers outside this group
20:19:23 <kcoyle> ... their use cases need more info about the services; openAPI capabilities description
20:19:50 <kcoyle> ... some also need available formats and support for query languages
20:20:36 <kcoyle> ... perhaps not specify in DCAT but use API description
20:20:45 <kcoyle> ... not clear the timing for completing this
20:21:05 <annette_g> q+
20:21:10 <Caroline_> ack annette_g
20:21:48 <kcoyle> annette_g: saw the requests, and the direction has been to have an identifier for a document
20:22:03 <kcoyle> ... has anyone given a reason to move toward doing it differently?
20:22:37 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: the reason why we want to have this at level of service description because folks want to be able to search/discover
20:22:50 <kcoyle> ... data services by their capabilities or technologies
20:23:22 <kcoyle> ... having this information in the service makes it hard to have it searchable
20:23:47 <kcoyle> annette_g: makes sense, services as first class citizens, folks will want to search for different types of them
20:24:42 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: there are some things we don't want to support because there is no API documentation standard that would make that available
20:24:50 <kcoyle> ... we need a solution that fits more cases
20:25:10 <kcoyle> ... this is not what DCAT is designed to do
20:25:48 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:27:47 <kcoyle> kcoyle: very vague but annette and I can take a look at it
20:28:20 <kcoyle> annette_g: we probably would come up with a table of contents after looking at issues and supporting documents
20:28:48 <kcoyle> Caroline_: a good idea to come up with a table of contents
20:29:14 <kcoyle> ... start from github
20:30:29 <kcoyle> Caroline_: we will be taking a break for July and August, come back September
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20:31:08 <kcoyle> ... anything else to talk about?
20:31:27 <AndreaPerego> q+ to ask plh about any news on https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1223
20:31:27 <kcoyle> q+
20:31:33 <Caroline_> ack AndreaPerego
20:31:33 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to ask plh about any news on https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1223
20:32:44 <AndreaPerego> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1223
20:33:01 <AndreaPerego> https://api.specref.org/bibrefs?refs=vocab-dcat
20:33:36 <AndreaPerego> https://www.specref.org/?q=vocab-dcat
20:33:52 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: open issue about github TR v API bug
20:34:12 <kcoyle> ... doesn't point to the correct version of DCAT
20:35:11 <kcoyle> ... should always point to the latest version in specref but info is mixed up for the citation keys because they get the wrong info
20:35:42 <kcoyle> ... plh promises to get to this ;-)
20:36:00 <kcoyle> ... but there is no solution yet
20:36:34 <AndreaPerego> https://github.com/tobie/specref/issues/640
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20:37:21 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: I tried to move this forward in the specref repo and was asked to create an issue; did so at beginning of March
20:37:53 <kcoyle> ... seems to be in a JSON file that introduces the bug
20:38:15 <kcoyle> plh: once we fix it the references will change and some people may not like it
20:40:05 <kcoyle> plh: will switch this group to using official calendaring in the near future; can synchronize our calendars to that system
20:40:40 <kcoyle> ... you will see an email when it is activated
20:41:12 <kcoyle> Caroline_: another topic: DCAT subgroup decided to use Zoom instead of WebEx; would the plenary also like to move to Zoom?
20:41:39 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: Zoom worked fine for subgroup
20:41:40 <annette_g> +1 for Zoom
20:41:52 <kcoyle> +1 also for Zoom
20:41:55 <Ana> +1
20:42:09 <annette_g> q+ to mention accessibility
20:42:27 <Caroline_> ack kcoyle
20:42:52 <Caroline_> ack annette_g
20:42:52 <Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to mention accessibility
20:43:12 <kcoyle> annette_g: there were accessibility issues with Zoom?
20:43:46 <kcoyle> plh: it was security problems at the time, but not so much now.
20:44:34 <kcoyle> ... recommend WebRTC
20:44:46 <kcoyle> ... working in the browser
20:45:03 <plh> --> https://www.w3.org/TR/2021/REC-webrtc-20210126/ WebRTC 1.0: Real-Time Communication Between Browsers
20:45:04 <kcoyle> proposed: move back to Zoom
20:45:27 <annette_g> +1
20:45:27 <Caroline_> +1
20:45:27 <kcoyle> +1
20:45:32 <AndreaPerego> *1
20:45:46 <AndreaPerego> s/*1/+1/
20:45:54 <Ana> +1
20:45:58 <kcoyle> resolved: move back to Zoom
20:45:59 <Rachel> +1
20:46:01 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:49:22 <kcoyle> Caroline_: chairs will report out what the dates are in September
20:49:42 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: DCAT subgroup is the 14th of September
20:49:56 <kcoyle> plh: Plenary comes back Sept 7
20:50:01 <AndreaPerego> s/14th/15th/
20:50:15 <annette_g> yes, labor day is Sep 6
20:50:46 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:52:00 <Ana> thank you, bye
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