05:14:24 RRSAgent has joined #smart-cities 05:14:24 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/06/25-smart-cities-irc 05:14:38 meeting: Smart Cities Workshop - Session 1 05:17:11 present+ Kaz_Ashimura-W3C, Kai_Guo-SESI 05:23:10 test has joined #smart-cities 05:27:39 kguo0622 has joined #smart-cities 05:27:55 present+ Santosh-EM 05:27:59 s/EM/EMS/ 05:28:06 zakim, who is on the call? 05:28:06 Present: Kaz_Ashimura-W3C, Kai_Guo-SESI, Santosh-EM 05:28:25 present- Santosh-EM 05:28:28 present+ Santosh-EMS 05:29:23 santosh_-_EMS has joined #smart-cities 05:32:47 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/agenda.html 05:37:02 present- Kai_GUo-SESI 05:37:13 present- Kai_Guo-SESI 05:37:22 present+ Kai_Guo-SIETI 05:43:59 Xiaomi has joined #smart-cities 05:49:13 Heng_QIAN_ISO_IEC has joined #smart-cities 05:52:53 ryuichi has joined #smart-cities 05:53:32 Karen has joined #smart-cities 05:54:51 Mizushima has joined #smart-cities 05:55:25 present+ Jay_Kishigami-W3C 05:55:41 present+ Captioner--Rochelle_H 05:55:52 present+ Karen_Myers-W3C 05:56:11 present+ Iacopo_Testi-RHEA_Group 05:57:01 Jay has joined #smart-cities 05:57:30 present+ Konstantinos_Kotis-Univ_of_the_Aegean 05:57:42 zakim, who is here? 05:57:42 Present: Kaz_Ashimura-W3C, Santosh-EMS, Kai_Guo-SIETI, Jay_Kishigami-W3C, Captioner--Rochelle_H, Karen_Myers-W3C, Iacopo_Testi-RHEA_Group, Konstantinos_Kotis-Univ_of_the_Aegean 05:57:46 On IRC I see Jay, Mizushima, Karen, ryuichi, Heng_QIAN_ISO_IEC, kguo0622, RRSAgent, Zakim, Kaz_Ashimura-W3C 05:58:03 present+ 05:58:32 Takio_Yamaoka has joined #smart-cities 05:58:59 present+ Carl_Ward-AWS 05:59:24 present+ Daihei_Shiohama-MediaDo 06:00:12 Carl_Ward_-_AWS has joined #smart-cities 06:00:19 santosh_-_ems has joined #smart-cities 06:00:20 present+ Heng_Aian-ISO/IEC_JTC1 06:00:29 Kunihiko_T-Hitachi has joined #smart-cities 06:00:40 Daihei-Media_Do has joined #smart-cities 06:00:40 present+ Yuichi_Sato-Fujitsu 06:00:57 present+ 06:01:32 present+ Xiaoqian_Wu-W3C 06:01:43 naomi has joined #smart-cities 06:01:47 xiaoqian has joined #smart-cities 06:01:52 present+ 06:02:13 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura-Hitachi 06:02:17 xueyuan has joined #smart-cities 06:02:28 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima-IRI 06:02:51 present+ Takio_Yamaoka-Yahoo!Japan 06:03:02 brinkwoman has joined #smart-cities 06:03:07 present+ Philip_Tran-GovTech 06:03:24 present+ Linda_van_den_Brink-Geonovum 06:04:13 present+ Yun_Li-Tencent 06:04:33 PhilipTran-GovTech has joined #smart-cities 06:04:56 avneeshsingh has joined #smart-cities 06:05:09 andrea_cimmino-upm has joined #smart-cities 06:05:15 present+ Xueyuan_Jia-W3C 06:05:36 cpn has joined #smart-cities 06:05:45 Peter_Lee_-_BSI has joined #smart-cities 06:05:56 present+ Arilova_Randriamiadana 06:06:13 present+ Naomi_Yoshizawa-W3C 06:06:27 present+ Chris_Needham-BBC 06:07:10 present+ Toshihide_Takechi-Denso 06:07:25 present+ Peter_Lee-BSI 06:08:22 present+ Newton_Nadar-Student 06:08:53 scribenick: PhilipTran-GovTech 06:09:23 Kotis_UoA_ has joined #smart-cities 06:10:34 Jerome_Blum_ECLASS has joined #smart-cities 06:10:41 kaz walk through the scene setting 06:11:58 New10 has joined #smart-cities 06:12:08 Arilova has joined #smart-cities 06:14:36 yeaphone has joined #smart-cities 06:14:57 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/talks/00_Scene_Setting/00_scene-setting.pdf Scene Setting slides 06:16:43 Arilova-MADAGASCAR has joined #smart-cities 06:16:43 CW: share his view on smart cities and the barriers in creating the digital infrastructure for smart cities.. 06:17:51 ...and how we can solve these challenges to improve people's lives. 06:18:13 New10_ has joined #smart-cities 06:18:36 nick Avneesh_Singh_DAISY_Consortium 06:19:56 HQ: presents THE UNIQUENESS OF SMART CITY ICT 06:25:20 Peter: presents Smarter Suffolk case study 06:30:41 Kaz: discussing on the proposed IG charter 06:30:48 ISO/IEC JTC1 06:31:20 ISO, IEC 06:31:44 [Draft] Charter for the potential Smart Cities Interest Group is at -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/smart-cities/smart-cities-ig-charter.html 06:31:48 3 groups on smart ities there 06:32:19 BSI 06:32:21 ETSI 06:32:34 q+ how do we clarify where W3C focus vs other standards? 06:32:37 HQ: 3 entities to be included in 4.2: ISO/IEC JTC1 06:32:47 ack c 06:33:02 iacopo_testi has joined #smart-cities 06:33:41 yeaphone_ has joined #smart-cities 06:34:56 clarify W3C's role within the complicated environment 06:35:43 quantity of standards is also tough 06:36:11 Peter: recommend analysis is done around the use cases... 06:36:11 analysis should be done based on use cases 06:36:52 data governance is one of the keys 06:37:28 international standards vs national ones 06:37:48 privacy standards/control is also important 06:38:01 about who we trust 06:38:29 trust is important! highly agree 06:38:38 CW: privacy standards and controls are important 06:38:59 e.g., connected cars and public transport services 06:39:02 CW: last-mile connection for transport from home to train station etc... 06:39:45 should consider which areas to be included 06:39:58 ...how to integrate private transport and public transport to solve the last-mile challenge. 06:40:10 s/... how/CW: how/ 06:40:19 data interoperability is also the key 06:40:52 recommend some high-level data categorization 06:41:03 how to represent 'trust' and how to compute 'trust' is a key topic, especially in highly heterogeneous smart environments (semantic interoperability?) 06:41:09 Peter: high level data grouping and schema to provide consistent metadata 06:42:29 +1 on the interoperability - I would add we have moved from having to fix everything to fixing meta-data standards. See how the way data lakes have evolved from standard schemas to dumps of all data with the ability to mine and link dynamically. 06:42:35 how to get agreement among various stakeholders is important 06:43:23 Daihei: agreement among the stakeholders 06:43:56 Daihei: point out the leadership issue. 06:44:19 Xiaomi: standardization collaboration 06:44:36 a unique standard (at schema level) is probably a 'dream'. Alignment on semantics (schema) and data is probably a more realistic solution (but hard to implement) 06:44:59 many detailed viewpoints for data governance should be considered 06:45:05 Xiaomi: need a framework for data governance 06:45:33 Especially, if schema/ontology alignment is performed in real-time (on-the-fly)... is this possible? What vendors think about this? 06:45:59 topic: Needs and possible solutions for Web-based Smart Cities 06:46:22 Sebastian: presents the Needs and possible solutions for Web-based Smart Cities 06:47:27 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/agenda.html agenda page 06:47:45 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/talks.html Video page 06:50:30 (Kaz provided some supplementary information above) 06:50:40 Sebastian rejoins and start his talk 06:51:30 rrsagent, make log public 06:51:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 06:51:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/25-smart-cities-minutes.html Kaz_Ashimura-W3C 06:53:59 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/talks/07_Sebastian_Kaebisch/07-kaebisch.pdf Slides 06:54:51 -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/smart-cities/smart-cities-ig-charter.html Draft IG Charter 06:55:28 Kaz: what is missing here in the IG charter? 06:56:15 +1 Overview/landscape of smart city scenarios and what standards are used 06:56:23 SK: action points, landscape, technologies already used in Smart Cities to provide a good overview of what is already available. 06:57:45 Kaz: what is the expectation for the technology landscape document? 06:58:29 SK: provide a nice overview of use cases, technologies, stakeholders etc. 06:59:03 xueyuan_ has joined #smart-cities 06:59:16 SK: basic problems independent of the standards such as integration. 07:00:24 +1 please clarify W3C's role 07:01:45 CW: important to agree on the WOT standards and standardized models. 07:03:08 SK: existing protocols and standards have their own history and reasons. 07:04:11 +1 standars on metadata (ontologies) 07:05:04 Peter: W3C to look more on the user interfaces and consumption layers. 07:05:35 Peter: the UI and the user experience. 07:06:57 BKYASIN-W3C has joined #smart-cities 07:07:41 Sisay: presents Privacy-Aware Information Base in the Context of Smart Cities 07:07:42 topic: Cross-cutting issues for Smart Cities 07:07:51 s/topic: Cross-cutting issues for Smart Cities// 07:08:03 i/presents/topic: Cross-cutting issues for Smart Cities/ 07:08:17 regrets+ Mohammed_Alghamdi 07:10:00 Eunji_Park_UDK has joined #smart-cities 07:10:25 Eunji_Park_UDK has left #smart-cities 07:10:26 xyf has joined #smart-cities 07:12:03 balance between privacy vs usability 07:12:45 e.g., for geolocation data 07:13:15 need to remember existing legal framework, e.g., regulations like GDPR 07:13:34 scribenick: Peter_Lee_-BSI 07:14:05 @sisay: how trust is modeled in approach? 07:14:44 q+ Kotis_UoA_ 07:16:22 ack k 07:18:23 q+ 07:19:35 Request is to have standard approaches to location privacy including ability to delete history. Tokenisation is used for PII but no standard for location. 07:21:51 ack b 07:22:54 https://www.w3.org/TR/responsible-use-spatial/ 07:24:01 geolocation group and OGC to be considered for liaison 07:24:08 -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/smart-cities/smart-cities-ig-charter.html draft IG Charter 07:27:02 I belive trust (modeling and computing) of IoT entities (sensors, actuators, devices, users, processes) in Smart Cities is important issue for the Special Group to research. 07:28:12 if the user knows it's safe, they can disclose their information, but how to do so? 07:28:20 legal treatment also needed 07:29:20 nice balance between privacy protection and usability 07:29:56 well, there are several scenarios where devices must expose data, but no users are related directly to them e.g., traffic lights? 07:30:17 q+ Kotis_UoA_ 07:33:36 pollution data collected on the cloud 07:35:34 Karen_Myers-W3C: could you please clarify the types of devices data is coming from and what permissions/controls users have over these different devices generating data? 07:35:48 ack ko 07:36:15 kaz: @@ 07:36:37 s/@@/should be clarified based on some concrete use case scenario./ 07:39:02 topic: Wrap-up 07:39:57 kaz: not only data transfer but also combination of data and entity 07:40:02 ... should be considered 07:40:20 ... national and international liaisons 07:40:37 ... requirements based on concrete use cases 07:41:00 ... overview and landscape about existing standards, systems 07:41:19 ... balance of usability and privacy protection 07:41:54 ... sensitive information like geolocation information and time information 07:42:10 ... clarify the role of W3C 07:42:28 yeaphone_ has joined #smart-cities 07:42:31 ... digestable and easy to use interfaces 07:42:37 ... accessibility 07:42:43 ... data governance 07:44:06 carl: digital infrastructure 07:44:32 ... not only the location information but as a whole mechanism and service 07:45:16 daihei: not particularly to be aded 07:45:51 kaz: W3C internal collaborations 07:46:09 -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/smart-cities/smart-cities-ig-charter.html draft charter 07:46:44 heng: the scope section says 07:46:46 Maybe the point that Sebastien raised on the philosophy of the standards - eg data standards vs meta standards - meta standards being more flexible. 07:46:48 ... Identification of Smart City use cases to which web technologies are applicable; 07:46:48 Identification and prioritization of gaps in web standards for Smart City use cases; 07:47:09 s/... Id/heng: Id/ 07:47:20 s/Identification and/... Identification/ 07:49:10 sk: Web technology is broader like Internet technology 07:49:25 kaz: probably we should add clarify cation here 07:49:43 sk: also relationship with Web browser technology 07:50:51 kaz: @@ 07:51:00 carl: thanks a lot for your participation! 07:51:23 daihei: on behalf of the whole this workshop, I also would like to express my gratitude :) 07:52:36 [ session 1 adjourned; session 2 starts in 4 hours ] 07:53:34 s/@@/we got a list of important points and requirements from the discussion, thanks a lot! 07:54:29 rrsagent, draft minutes 07:54:29 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/25-smart-cities-minutes.html Kaz_Ashimura-W3C 07:55:31 rrsagent make log public 07:55:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 07:55:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/25-smart-cities-minutes.html Kaz_Ashimura-W3C 07:55:46 ls 07:57:11 ======================================================== 07:57:30 Jay_kishigami-W3C has joined #smart-cities 07:58:24 Chair: Carl, Daihei, Kaz 07:59:22 i/balance between privacy vs usability/scribenick: Kaz_Ashimura-W3C/ 07:59:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 07:59:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/25-smart-cities-minutes.html Kaz_Ashimura-W3C 08:00:03 i/kaz walk through/topic: Session 1/ 08:00:18 i/kaz walk through/subtopi: Scene Setting/ 08:01:01 i/THE UNIQUENESS/subtopic: Summary of the current status of Smart Cities - Use cases/ 08:01:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 08:01:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/25-smart-cities-minutes.html Kaz_Ashimura-W3C 08:01:22 Yassine has joined #smart-cities 08:02:56 cris has joined #smart-cities 08:04:03 s/topic: Needs and possible solutions for Web-based Smart Cities/subtopic: Needs and possible solutions for Web-based Smart Cities/ 08:04:19 s/topic: Cross-cutting issues for Smart Cities/subtopic: Cross-cutting issues for Smart Cities/ 08:04:35 s/topic: Wrap-up/subtopic: Wrap-up/ 08:04:38 rrsagent, draft minutes 08:04:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/25-smart-cities-minutes.html Kaz_Ashimura-W3C 08:28:23 i|geolocation group and OGC|scribenick: Kaz_Ashimura-W3C| 08:28:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 08:28:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/25-smart-cities-minutes.html Kaz_Ashimura-W3C 09:30:13 Jay_kishigami-W3C has joined #smart-cities 09:45:33 Zakim has left #smart-cities 10:04:00 Jay_kishigami-W3C has joined #smart-cities 10:29:23 rph has joined #smart-cities 11:00:30 benfrancis has joined #smart-cities 11:06:05 Jay_kishigami-W3C has joined #smart-cities 11:47:29 Zakim has joined #smart-cities 11:47:35 topic: session 2 11:49:42 present2+ Kaz_Ashimura-W3C, Timcy_Aggarwal-W3C 11:50:30 Karen has joined #smart-cities 11:51:49 Daihei_-_Media_Do has joined #smart-cities 11:52:00 present+ 11:53:54 McCool-Intel has joined #smart-cities 11:54:26 present+ Karen_Myers-W3C 11:55:02 Takio_Yamaoka-Yahoo has joined #smart-cities 11:56:04 Dave_McComb-SemArts has joined #smart-cities 11:56:42 present2+ Daihei_Shiohama-MediaDo, Michael_McCool-Intel, Karen_Myers-W3C 11:57:19 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/agenda.html Agenda 11:57:21 Jerome_Blum-ECLASS has joined #smart-cities 11:57:37 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/talks.html Videos 11:58:27 I'm in the zoom lobby, is there something else I need to do? 11:58:36 Mizushima_IRI has joined #smart-cities 11:59:39 Cristiano_A_W3C has joined #smart-cities 12:01:40 Josh_OGC has joined #smart-cities 12:01:52 Jenn_McArthur-RU has joined #smart-cities 12:02:42 Pepe has joined #smart-cities 12:02:52 brinkwoman has joined #smart-cities 12:02:58 exit 12:04:43 Is the Zoom link for the second session the same as for the first session? 12:04:44 PhilipTran-GovTech has joined #smart-cities 12:04:50 Good day to all. 12:05:19 naomi has joined #smart-cities 12:07:03 Sarah_Tinnes_HBRS has joined #smart-cities 12:08:21 subtopic: Scene Setting 12:08:26 Deborah_Dahl-CT has joined #smart-cities 12:10:55 scribenick: Cristiano_A_Unibo 12:11:12 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/talks/00_Scene_Setting/00_scene-setting.pdf slides 12:11:42 kaz explaining the history of the discussion of Smart Cities in w3c 12:12:25 kaz: we need a dedicated w3c IG group becase the field has a lot of stackholders 12:12:57 ... the goal of the workshop is to improve the document 12:13:27 kaz explanining logistics for the call 12:13:47 hfujisawa has joined #smart-cities 12:14:02 s/document/draft document/ 12:14:08 -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/smart-cities/smart-cities-ig-charter.html draft IG Charter 12:15:18 fujisawa-NHK has joined #smart-cities 12:15:41 kaz giving the floor to JoshLiberman 12:15:46 subtopic: Summary of the current status of Smart Cities - Use cases 12:16:22 Peter_Lee_-_BSI_ has joined #smart-cities 12:16:23 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/talks/04_Josh_Lieberman/04-lieberman.pdf Josh's slides 12:16:31 JL: thank you for organizing this workshop 12:16:38 JL: in 12:16:52 ryuichi has joined #smart-cities 12:17:42 s/in /in OGC we have focused a lot on defining location and how it can impact Smart Cities applications/ 12:18:22 Araz has joined #smart-cities 12:18:26 ... OGC have defined a specific term when discussing about Digital Twins in Smart Cites: Urban Digital Twins 12:18:37 Araz has left #smart-cities 12:19:16 ... DT in smart cities are much more complicated rather the classical definition 12:19:38 ... mostly because of the role of spece/time information 12:20:52 zakim, who is here? 12:20:52 Present: Daihei_-_Media_Do, Karen_Myers-W3C 12:20:54 On IRC I see ryuichi, Peter_Lee_-_BSI_, fujisawa-NHK, Deborah_Dahl-CT, PhilipTran-GovTech, brinkwoman, Jenn_McArthur-RU, Josh_OGC, Cristiano_A_Unibo, Mizushima_IRI, 12:20:54 ... Jerome_Blum-ECLASS, Dave_McComb-SemArts, Takio_Yamaoka-Yahoo, McCool-Intel, Daihei_-_Media_Do, Karen_Myers-W3C, Zakim, jay, Ben_Francis-Krellian, Peter_Lee_-_BSI, 12:20:54 ... andrea_cimmino-upm, Xiaoqian_Wu-W3C, Kunihiko_T-Hitachi, RRSAgent, Kaz_Ashimura-W3C 12:21:02 ... an important aspect in Smart Cities is the balance between social and phisical 12:22:11 kaz: thank you next speaker Daihei 12:22:37 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/talks/16_Daihei_Shiohama/16-shiohama.pdf Daihei's slides 12:23:42 Daihei: please check the full video 12:24:09 ... digital transformation is impacting also publishing industry 12:25:07 fujisawa-NHK has joined #smart-cities 12:25:43 ... currently lifestyle is already coexisting with ditigial 12:25:55 ... so why not also the publishing process? 12:26:45 ... phisycal bookstore has benifits (chatting, meeting, expirience ...) 12:27:06 ... in the meantime we can enhance the publishing culture thanks to web tech 12:27:33 ... with the goal to revive phisical bookstores 12:27:46 ... we are already doing this in Japan 12:28:17 Already many people do not bother with “how to” books and just look at Youtube videos. I wonder if there is more of a convergence possible. 12:28:42 Yun_LI-tencent has joined #smart-cities 12:30:06 Daihei: NFT can play a role in enaching paying physical books 12:30:42 ... like having one special token connected to the real product 12:31:35 -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/smart-cities/smart-cities-ig-charter.html draft IG Charter 12:31:42 kaz: thank you seems we should add some retail specific use case to our draft document 12:31:51 s/in enaching/in enhancing/ 12:32:46 kaz showing the draft IG document 12:32:51 kaz: what is missing? 12:34:34 JL: geospatial information is critical, but the physicals space is not the only space that matter. We need a social model for space 12:35:09 q? 12:35:36 J_Lu-HelpfulPlaces has joined #smart-cities 12:36:15 q+ 12:36:31 Daihei: how do we integrate tech to media publishing? What is the role of Web of Things? 12:36:45 ... we need to discuss this in the charter 12:36:50 kaz: yeah agree 12:37:18 q+ McCool 12:37:20 ak m 12:37:25 ack m 12:37:27 MartinMemmel_DFKI has joined #smart-cities 12:37:29 ack m 12:37:49 mc: what are the opportunities around media sharing in physical word? 12:37:58 ... and how this going to impact the social life? 12:38:49 My feeling is that the publish a book / pay the author / get money for copies is already an obsolete paradigm between fan fiction, conventions-meetings, multiple media, etc. 12:39:09 Araz_Ashouri_NRC has joined #smart-cities 12:39:31 Daihei: during covid of course it was difficult to evaluate NFT solution. But now that they are open again we trying to create a cycling experience between books-and-digital 12:39:42 A paradigm that captures all of these activities around literature in a broad sense seems possible but really needs to be evolved. 12:39:52 mc: sometime media are social events (concerts etc.) 12:40:20 ... how technology would help this process? 12:40:59 Interessting point @Josh. I feel that the music industry tried very early on to find ways to truly modernise the consumer experience 12:41:02 ... social aspect is really important 12:41:51 Music is a good lesson -- songs -> concerts -> videos -> social media -> songs 12:42:34 Tourism to the real or imagined geography of artistic works is a real thing as well. 12:42:51 kaz: I agree, in general we need to think about social aspect and relation between digital and physical 12:43:30 UX regardless of physical location 12:44:06 q? 12:44:27 A while ago I met a guy that studied mixed virtual/phisical concerts thanks to smart instruments and feedback devices for viewers 12:44:45 it called this Internet of Musical things, it might be intresting 12:45:38 Watch parties! 12:45:43 mc: summarizing we need a section talking about the social aspects in the document 12:46:34 ... also we need to enable smaller interaction, small groups enjoying a digital media 12:46:44 q+ 12:46:56 ack t 12:48:43 Takio: maybe people want just to buy an e-book. So digital advertainments may be used in the bookstores 12:48:55 The essential value of a bookstore these days is really curation and social interaction (as well as the coffee bar...) 12:49:31 ... and book kepers could be rewarded for purchases of the e-book advertised. 12:50:00 subtopic: Summary of the current status of Smart Cities - Existing standards 12:50:57 q+ 12:52:00 Jerome: E class has an hierarchical standard for data 12:52:17 ... we support 16 different languages 12:53:14 ... our working group is tring to bring EClass to RDF with the goal to be used in a WoT Thing Description 12:54:08 ... how can we build trust ? 12:54:41 ... we aligned in world wide standards so we can be used in different contexts 12:55:23 q? 12:55:31 ack m 12:55:38 fujisawa-NHK has joined #smart-cities 12:56:14 mc: you mention wot, we are in meet with E-Class. About trust there's Solid platform which could help 12:56:32 s/EClass/ECLASS/ 12:56:37 s/E-Class/ECLASS/ 12:57:25 -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/smart-cities/smart-cities-ig-charter.html draft IG Charter 12:58:15 also ISO CDD and JTC/1 12:58:31 ISO, IEC and ISO/IEC JTC1 12:58:44 kaz: we should introduce trust for data management in the draft document then 12:59:20 ack m 12:59:57 subtopic: Needs and possible solutions for Web-based Smart Cities 13:00:35 scribenick: Kaz_Ashimura-W3C 13:01:13 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/talks/05_Michael_McCool/05-mccool.pdf McCool's slides 13:01:24 mm: let me focus on WoT now 13:01:39 ... would avoid reinvention for IoT 13:02:31 ... mechanism to describe existing models 13:02:42 ... smart city use cases there 13:02:50 naomi has joined #smart-cities 13:03:03 ... visitor guidance, energy management, health, retail services 13:03:18 ... managing accessibility, etc., as well 13:03:38 ... a lot of issues with personal data 13:03:46 ... a lot of use cases there 13:03:58 ... discussing new Charter for WoT too 13:04:01 ... so good timing 13:04:36 josh: point of connection? 13:04:45 ... smart cities, wot and spatial 13:05:14 ... W3C, OGC and others to work on the relationship? 13:05:37 mm: virtual entity can be DT or services 13:05:50 ... generally discovery of services is one of the key things 13:06:08 ... for physical services, geolocation is important 13:06:19 josh: digital is representation for physical 13:06:45 mm: location matters your point of view 13:06:47 the unifying interface across these dimensions is actually the person 13:07:00 mm: need to be more flexible 13:07:00