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13:43:50 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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13:43:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:43:56 <trackbot> Date: 24 June 2021
13:43:58 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:44:07 <addison> regrets: JcK
13:44:24 <agendabot> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Jun/0013.html
13:44:24 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:44:24 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:44:24 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:44:24 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:44:24 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:44:26 <agendabot> agenda+ Datalist find (Richard's proposed text)
13:44:29 <agendabot> agenda+ Developing Localizable Manifests (draft)
13:44:31 <agendabot> agenda+ String-Meta
13:44:33 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:44:56 <addison> agenda+ Review of article update: Declaring language in HTML
13:45:06 <addison> agenda+ Publish glossary to TR?
13:46:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/24-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:52:07 <addison> present+
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13:52:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/24-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:01:22 <addison> present+ Fuqiao
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14:02:57 <atsushi> present+
14:03:10 <addison> scribenick atsushi
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14:03:42 <fsasaki> present+ felix
14:03:57 <atsushi> richard: Peter will join this call.
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14:06:58 <addison> agenda?
14:07:31 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:07:31 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:07:37 <r12a> present+ r12a, Peter
14:08:12 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:08:12 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:08:24 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:08:48 <atsushi> addison: couples of docs, changes for string-meta which has not been done yet
14:09:02 <addison> action-1032?
14:09:02 <trackbot> action-1032 -- Richard Ishida to Propose text for html 4814 (datalist find/string search) -- due 2021-06-03 -- OPEN
14:09:02 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1032
14:09:07 <addison> close action-1032
14:09:07 <trackbot> Closed action-1032.
14:09:11 <atsushi> richard: 1032 in agenda
14:09:21 <atsushi> addison: 1034 next week
14:09:36 <addison> action-1035?
14:09:36 <trackbot> action-1035 -- Richard Ishida to Update string-meta to use new mustard format from specdev -- due 2021-06-24 -- OPEN
14:09:36 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1035
14:09:46 <atsushi> richard: update string in string-meta (1035), in back and forth
14:09:49 <addison> close action-1035
14:09:49 <trackbot> Closed action-1035.
14:10:35 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:10:35 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:11:01 <r12a> ACTION: Felix to provide a definition of 'metadata' for the i18n glossary
14:11:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1037 - Provide a definition of 'metadata' for the i18n glossary [on Felix Sasaki - due 2021-07-01].
14:11:11 <atsushi> [silent]
14:11:56 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:11:56 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:12:07 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:12:23 <atsushi> addison: new one, mediastream image capture
14:12:34 <atsushi> ... both I and richard reviewed.
14:12:57 <atsushi> addison: move this one to completed
14:13:50 <addison> agenda?
14:14:19 <atsushi> richard: one infoshare, tracker for language enablement, had one bug which has already fixed
14:14:22 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-activity/textlayout/
14:15:03 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:15:03 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Developing Localizable Manifests (draft) -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:15:18 <addison> https://aphillips.github.io/i18n-drafts/temp/developing-localizable-manifests.en.html
14:15:41 <atsushi> addison: continuing some edits, look at section 3.2
14:16:26 <atsushi> richard: do we have a repository for this?
14:16:35 <atsushi> addison: currently temp under i18n-drafts
14:16:44 <atsushi> ... not yet decided to where this should go
14:17:16 <atsushi> ... will add an action to build a repository for this
14:17:34 <atsushi> addison: any objection to make a new repo for this?
14:17:37 <addison> action: richard: create repo for developing-localizable-manifests
14:17:38 <atsushi> [silent]
14:17:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1038 - Create repo for developing-localizable-manifests [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-07-01].
14:17:54 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:17:54 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- String-Meta -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:18:04 <addison> https://aphillips.github.io/string-meta/#
14:18:19 <addison> https://aphillips.github.io/string-meta/#defining_bidi_keywords
14:18:55 <atsushi> addison: hopefully not miss anything
14:19:03 <atsushi> ... one thing LTR/RTL and auto thing.
14:19:16 <r12a> q+
14:19:21 <atsushi> ... but other major points have finished
14:20:03 <atsushi> richard: brief look on this, interesting document
14:20:29 <atsushi> bert: terminology for direction, display direction?
14:20:53 <atsushi> ... feels somehow smaller from display
14:22:06 <atsushi> [sorry missing due to battery out of speaker, exchanging]
14:22:29 <atsushi> addison: totally open for different names, these are platform container
14:23:36 <atsushi> richard: if you have a manifest, which has string in with direction for each string, in this case data can say directions are all one direction, and could specify at the top as document direction
14:23:48 <atsushi> addison: field or ...?
14:24:06 <atsushi> ... both string and layout could have
14:24:35 <atsushi> richard: could worth to have another example for clarify
14:26:08 <atsushi> richard: I'm not yet convinced with text on direction
14:26:17 <atsushi> ... we should dictate the naming
14:26:58 <atsushi> richard: message should say use direction of field
14:27:08 <atsushi> addison: string-meta is the most best practice
14:27:22 <atsushi> richard: why they should do?
14:27:28 <atsushi> addison: consistency on naming
14:27:40 <atsushi> ... wire-up document and consumer
14:28:30 <atsushi> richard: would less worried, on name of direction
14:29:21 <addison> agenda?
14:29:34 <r12a> propose using the RECOMMEND keyword
14:29:46 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:29:46 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Datalist find (Richard's proposed text) -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:29:55 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Jun/0012.html
14:30:25 <addison>  If filtering based on the user's input, user agents should use substring  matching against both the suggestions' label and value (as opposed to  prefix matching). Such substring matching should be done after Unicode  normalization and case folding have been applied. User agents may apply  other matching techniques as desired for their user experience, for  example accent-stripping, matching kana with kanji, matching against  potential misspellin[CUT]
14:31:26 <addison> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/4814#issuecomment-522741220
14:32:40 <atsushi> richard: quite not the same as suggested one
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14:33:12 <atsushi> ... saying you should use substring match
14:33:35 <atsushi> addison: there were long standing story why its hard
14:34:03 <atsushi> richard: this thread is for what you will get from when you match with ones typed
14:34:11 <atsushi> addison: could be somehow control less
14:34:56 <atsushi> ... most of the time, less powerful on finding
14:35:35 <atsushi> ... simple one is substring match, we recommending something like unicode normalization or case sensitivity
14:35:43 <atsushi> ... considering potential misspelling
14:35:59 <atsushi> richard: we are suggesting, definetly unicode normalization, definetly case folding
14:36:09 <atsushi> ... that should be the minimum to do
14:36:20 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/string-search
14:36:38 <atsushi> ... whatelse you do
14:37:41 <atsushi> richard: don't care of NFKC/NFD, normalized text is the all
14:37:48 <atsushi> addison: want to link to charmod norm?
14:38:08 <atsushi> ... string match has wide variety, and difficult to define
14:39:02 <atsushi> addison: any other observation here?
14:40:15 <atsushi> richard: do they use capital letter?
14:40:21 <atsushi> addison: might be
14:40:57 <atsushi> richard: add a comment saying clarifying our thought, in parallel to raising PR
14:42:09 <atsushi> richard: want to say is that two item should be performed, at some point in series. if there is no reason to remove
14:42:30 <r12a> ACTION: r12a to propose PR for https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/4814
14:42:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1039 - Propose pr for https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/4814 [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-07-01].
14:42:41 <addison> agenda?
14:43:00 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
14:43:00 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Publish glossary to TR? -- taken up [from addison]
14:43:22 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-glossary/
14:43:38 <atsushi> richard: talked on this before, currently available for ED
14:43:48 <atsushi> ... updating document and definitions
14:44:04 <atsushi> richard: question is whether to publish FPWD
14:44:31 <atsushi> bert: thing in good shape, it is fine, and could be published
14:44:34 <atsushi> +1
14:44:43 <xfq> +1
14:44:48 <fsasaki> +1
14:44:55 <Bert_> +1
14:44:58 <r12a> +1
14:45:04 <addison> +1
14:45:14 <atsushi> addison: agreed to publish as FPWD
14:45:22 <addison> RESOLVED: Publish i18n-glossary as a FPWD
14:45:37 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:45:37 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Review of article update: Declaring language in HTML -- taken up [from addison]
14:45:46 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-html-language-declarations
14:46:07 <atsushi> richard: check on changes
14:46:17 <atsushi> ... not substantive, small
14:46:25 <atsushi> ... any objection to be published?
14:46:49 <Peter> I need to drop off. Thanks/ciao!
14:47:23 <r12a> ACTION: r12a add a side note about dir to https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-html-language-declarations#contentvsattribute
14:47:31 <trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker.  Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
14:48:06 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:48:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/24-i18n-minutes.html r12a
14:48:41 <atsushi> richard: that section, I will change, some person commented also
14:48:56 <atsushi> ... need to decide whether it is a good or not.
14:49:23 <atsushi> ... this is an anchor element in the main document in spanish, label for anchor is different language
14:49:59 <atsushi> richard: span in English
14:50:04 <atsushi> addison: title is not
14:50:25 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-html-language-declarations#contentvsattribute
14:51:37 <atsushi> richard: so, I think to publish this
14:52:01 <atsushi> addison: other observation is there is many XHTML header
14:52:56 <atsushi> richard: baseically under detail, could move detail section to the end
14:54:37 <r12a> ACTION: r12a to de-emphasise XHTML in https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-html-language-declarations#contentvsattribute
14:54:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1041 - De-emphasise xhtml in https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-html-language-declarations#contentvsattribute [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-07-01].
14:54:57 <atsushi> addison: otherwise looks good, push them
14:55:10 <atsushi> richard: no substantive change, no need to be re-reviewed
14:55:51 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:55:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/24-i18n-minutes.html r12a
14:56:31 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:56:31 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:57:26 <atsushi> [chat on slow server]
14:59:47 <addison> zakim, bye
14:59:47 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, JcK, Fuqiao, Felix, Richard, Atsushi, Bert, r12a, Peter
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15:00:31 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:00:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/24-i18n-minutes.html r12a
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