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17:03:16 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
17:03:27 <jamesn> meeting: ARIA WG
17:03:45 <jamesn> chair: JamesNurthen
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17:04:07 <pkra> present+
17:04:31 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
17:04:47 <msumner> present+
17:05:31 <jamesn> agenda+ [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/3gV39P1)
17:05:31 <jamesn> agenda+ [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/3xJhnt5)
17:05:31 <jamesn> agenda+ [Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/3j3Srsg)
17:05:31 <jamesn> agenda+ Test Files - old test files in repo - https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/main/testfiles. Do we need them still?
17:05:32 <jamesn> agenda+ Getting tests written - https://joanmarie.github.io/aria/validator-tests/
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17:07:02 <harris> scribe: harris
17:07:07 <harris> zakim, agenda?
17:07:07 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
17:07:08 <Zakim> 1. [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/3gV39P1) [from jamesn]
17:07:08 <Zakim> 2. [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/3xJhnt5) [from jamesn]
17:07:08 <Zakim> 3. [Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/3j3Srsg) [from jamesn]
17:07:09 <Zakim> 4. Test Files - old test files in repo - https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/main/testfiles. Do we need them still? [from jamesn]
17:07:09 <Zakim> 5. Getting tests written - https://joanmarie.github.io/aria/validator-tests/ [from jamesn]
17:07:14 <harris> zakim, next item
17:07:14 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/3gV39P1) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:08:00 <harris> Bryan: I personally don't know why we'd add that to the spec
17:08:12 <harris> Jamesn: I agree but we need to clarify what we mean by "child nodes"
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17:09:54 <StefanS> present+
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17:11:46 <harris> pk: why isn't noscript the same as `display: none;`?
17:12:18 <harris> jamesn: that is apparently what firefox does but chrome has a `display:inline` on it for whatever reason
17:14:02 <harris> jamesn: the people wanting this are people implementing 3rd party library in trying to figure out what the accName is supposed to be for this kind of thing. If we say anything about child nodes in the accessibility tree but I don't think that is helpful to those who don't know what the accessibility tree is
17:14:47 <harris> jamesn: anyone want to take on raising an issue in whatwg?
17:16:21 <harris> zakim, close this item
17:16:21 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
17:16:22 <harris> zakim, next item
17:16:23 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:16:23 <Zakim> 2. [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/3xJhnt5) [from jamesn]
17:16:23 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/3xJhnt5) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:16:37 <harris> zakim, close this item
17:16:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
17:16:38 <harris> zakim, next item
17:16:38 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:16:38 <Zakim> 3. [Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/3j3Srsg) [from jamesn]
17:16:39 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/3j3Srsg) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:17:43 <harris> jamen: so no deep dive next week?
17:17:54 <harris> jamesn: conclusion - no deep dive next week
17:18:01 <harris> zakim, close this item
17:18:01 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
17:18:02 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:18:02 <Zakim> 4. Test Files - old test files in repo - https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/main/testfiles. Do we need them still? [from jamesn]
17:18:05 <harris> zakim, next item
17:18:05 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Test Files - old test files in repo - https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/main/testfiles. Do we need them still? -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:18:31 <harris> jamesn: so we have these old test files. Are they still relevant/useful?
17:19:35 <harris> joanie: many years ago these files were ported over from the manual test tools...Ultimately we want to get away from this and over to some automated tests. I think these test files are redundant and not being maintained.
17:19:52 <harris> cyns: If we have other tests covering the same things, then it is probably ok to remove them
17:20:51 <harris> zakim, close this item
17:20:51 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
17:20:52 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
17:20:52 <Zakim> 5. Getting tests written - https://joanmarie.github.io/aria/validator-tests/ [from jamesn]
17:20:56 <harris> zakim, next item
17:20:56 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Getting tests written - https://joanmarie.github.io/aria/validator-tests/ -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:22:21 <harris> joanie: I wrote a test and came to some conclusions about what we want in the tests. With Harris' help we got axe-cli running.
17:23:27 <harris> joanie: my proposal is that we move the validator tests to the ARIA repo itself would make sense. It would make it easier for wg members to contribute. It would also be the first steps towards someone making a spec change with a normative statement, that same PR could include a test for that normative statement.
17:23:33 <cyns> +1
17:23:37 <harris> +1
17:23:42 <pkra> +1
17:24:24 <harris> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1492
17:25:44 <harris> joanie: I will move it over to the aria repo tomorrow
17:25:51 <harris> jamesn: we need more folks creating tests
17:27:12 <harris> joanie: we also need people with validator interests to give us results
17:28:44 <harris> bryan: we have an archive of thousands of tests and their results so it shouldn't be a problem to get those
17:30:34 <harris> https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Authors-MUST---MUST-NOT-inventory#12-only
17:30:47 <jcraig> present+ jcraig
17:34:47 <harris> jamen: so you create a test file for the given test and run a validator on the test file
17:34:53 <msumner> I will try to contribute to some of these & write some tests
17:35:16 <harris> cyns: I'd like to suggest that we have a meeting and we can write tests at that meeting.
17:35:28 <pkra> +1 to cyns
17:35:53 <harris> jamesn: If everyone could try to write these tests prior to the call, it'd be beneficial to know where you get stuck
17:36:04 <harris> zakim, close this item
17:36:04 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
17:36:05 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
17:36:39 <harris> jcraig: I was wondering if there were more issues than 57?
17:36:48 <harris> jamesn: there were but they haven't been added to any agenda
17:38:07 <harris> zakim, who is on the call?
17:38:07 <Zakim> Present: pkra, Joanmarie_Diggs, msumner, StefanS, jcraig
17:38:14 <harris> zakim, bye
17:38:14 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been pkra, Joanmarie_Diggs, msumner, StefanS, jcraig
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17:38:19 <harris> rrsagent, make minutes
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