IRC log of MiniApp on 2021-06-24

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Meeting: MiniApps WG Call
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present+
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present+ qing
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present+ zhoudan
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yongjing: review the deliverables
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... Issues & PR discussion
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... White paper maintenance
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... Next teleconference time
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... we published manifest as fpwd
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... also published lifecycle
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... packaging
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... perhaps we can get conclusion at the end of this call
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... the plan is to reach fpwd in Q2
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... we have a few PRs under discussions
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present+ shuo_wang
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present+ Changhao_Liang
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present+ xiaoqian
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zhoudan: core change is the uri syntax part
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... changed the chinese text
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... not english yet
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... i'll translate it and update the images
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... hope you can give me some advice about the syntax
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present+ zitao_wang
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yongjing: we can review it later
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... any update on widget?
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... let's go through the issues and prs
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https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/20
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martin: old PR from May
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[martin introduces the pr]
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yongjing: i reviewed this and approved it on github
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... any comments?
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... i propose that we merge this pr
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https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/21
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[zitao introduces the pr]
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zitao: For min_platform_version, proposed to add a platform_version object, that contains min_platform_version, target_platform_version, and release_type
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yongjing: any comments from xfq?
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xfq: lgtm
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yongjing: any other comments?
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... I propose that we merge this PR
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https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/23
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zitao: propose to add two attributes to support the selection of color mode and device types
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qing: is there a plan to make a normative list of possible values in the manifest spec?
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zitao: not currently to make it more flexible
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... to make it support current and future devices
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zhoudan: i think there should be a default mode for each miniapp
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... i don't think this member is needed
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zitao: it's optional
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zhoudan: ok
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... i need more time to look at this proposal
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yongjing: i encourage group participants to look at this proposal and comment on github
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https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/pull/26
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martin: large pr
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[martin introduces the pr]
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martin: Simplification of algorithms
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... added a note about file names
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... follow the current status of the CSS standards
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... several open issues
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... like the markup language
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... MiniApp vendors, please share your opinions
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... please review https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/issues/27
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yongjing: i encourage group participants to look at #27 and provide feedback on github
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... back to the pr
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... i propose that we merge this pr
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... back to addressing
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... we can discuss it but don't have to make decision today
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zhoudan: main difference is that there are two formats of uri
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... first is custom scheme
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... platform://miniapp/foo
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... second is https
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... like https://platform.org/miniapp/foo
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... using deep linking technology
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... we can discuss further after i translate it into english
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yongjing: i have some comments personally
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... i understand you proposed two solutions
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... but i remember most of the pushback was to the first solution
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... https is preferred
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... i'm not sure if preserving the custom scheme is good
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zhoudan: we don't need to register the custom scheme in iana
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yongjing: i understand that
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... but there may be concern about the custom scheme solution
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aaron: curios about the use case
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zhoudan: the legacy solution should also be supported
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xfq: we can wait for the recharter regarding those two issues of the white paper
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... if there is a broken link, we can fix in place
12:41:27 [angel]
+1 to handle the charter issue later
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... for those other editorial changes, we can leave it open
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yongjing: #90, opened long time ago
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... seems outdated to me
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... shall we close it?
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dan: I'll ask him to take care of it later
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xfq: #9, lgtm
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... propose some new text about new page
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... APIs about events
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... components related APIs
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... comments were about the terms
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xiaoqian: PR opened by me
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... will solve the conflict
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... and ask the group to merge it
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topic: AoB
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xfq: what's the plan for lifecycle?
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... any issue before we go to wide review?
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QingAn: three issues left
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... I'll look into them
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... let's see what comments we can get from the community
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xfq: fyi, the i18n WG is working on a guide of developing localised manifest
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s/localised/localisable
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yongjing: is it a joint-work with the WebApps manifest?
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xfq: not yet, still an early draft
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yongjing: I think the web apps manifest has similar discussion about localisation
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... and we are following those guidance
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... if the i18n wg are also having conflicting specs
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... it may case confusion
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... but it's good that some professionals are handling these issues
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... we can put our localisation issues on hold
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yongjing: there are some other important technical open issues
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martin: we have discussion related topics in the CG
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... about the UI components, what's our proposal
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... I've opened a few issues
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... maybe we can update our explainers in the CG
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Some comments here : https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/issues/2#issuecomment-815619698
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... to work with Open UI, and other similar framework
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yongjing: the file format of the page layout is also very critical
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... the current implementation is not valid xml file
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... we should think about whether we can change xml to html
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dan: I suggest create a spec m-a-ml
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... neither xml nor html can meet our need
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yongjing: do you have plan to work on it some time soon?
12:57:02 [xiaoqian]
dan: we can start it soon
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yongjing: it can be challenging
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... we should be prepared for the comments
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ack martin
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dan: we can start from an explainer
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martin: two comments about this open issue
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... opt1. create a new mark-up
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... a lot of new work and to-be-defined
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... opt2. an extension of html
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... discussion the specific need of mini app-ml
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s/discussion the/discuss the
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... I suggest we continue the discussion about the pos and cons in this thread
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yongjing: let's continue the discussion and see if we can find consensus
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martin: it's just some suggestion to help find the best solution and to get help from other groups
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yongjing: next call, 29 July
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Thank you!!
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[adjourned]
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