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13:26:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference
13:26:11 <trackbot> Date: 23 June 2021
13:26:12 <paul_grenier> zakim, agenda?
13:26:12 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
13:26:20 <paul_grenier> Agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:26:23 <paul_grenier> Agenda+ Review Feedback
13:26:25 <paul_grenier> Agenda+ Conferences
13:26:28 <paul_grenier> Agenda+ Other Business
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13:51:48 <Irfan> zakim, who is here?
13:51:48 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
13:51:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see Irfan, Zakim, RRSAgent, paul_grenier, becky, trackbot
13:51:54 <Irfan> zakim, agenda?
13:51:55 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
13:51:55 <Zakim> 1. Agenda Review & Announcements [from paul_grenier]
13:51:55 <Zakim> 2. Review Feedback [from paul_grenier]
13:51:55 <Zakim> 3. Conferences [from paul_grenier]
13:51:56 <Zakim> 4. Other Business [from paul_grenier]
13:52:06 <Irfan> present+
13:52:11 <Irfan> zakim, who is here?
13:52:11 <Zakim> Present: Irfan
13:52:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see Irfan, Zakim, RRSAgent, paul_grenier, becky, trackbot
13:54:44 <paul_grenier> present+
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14:09:02 <Irfan> scribe: Irfan
14:09:06 <Irfan> zakim, next item
14:09:06 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from paul_grenier]
14:09:10 <paul_grenier> chair: paul_grenier
14:09:19 <Irfan> chair: Paul_Grenier
14:10:09 <Irfan> mhakkinen: we have submitted the abstract in ATIA. second round kicks off later in the summer
14:10:23 <Irfan> zakim, next item
14:10:23 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review Feedback -- taken up [from paul_grenier]
14:10:33 <Irfan> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues
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14:12:07 <Irfan> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/90
14:13:03 <Irfan> mhakkinen: there is another ticket about CSS.
14:14:27 <Irfan> mhakkinen: biggest gap in CSS approach is that it doesnt provide all the solutions
14:18:30 <Irfan> paul_grenier: Based on our gap analysis document, CSS speech has no mechanism for language, phonetic pronunciation, substitution, and "say as" (feature).
14:18:39 <Irfan> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/84
14:21:00 <JF> Q+
14:22:00 <Irfan> ack q
14:23:02 <Irfan> JF: I am concerned about i18 problem. are screen reader actually doing the translation?
14:23:11 <Irfan> mhakkinen: its not SR but synthesizer
14:23:40 <Irfan> JF: have we thought about attribute and value where we can enforce SR reader to read it correctly.
14:24:08 <Irfan> JF: I do not think is it really a problem that we should be fixing.
14:24:39 <Irfan> JF: SR is fixing that problem
14:25:34 <Irfan> janina: dd:mm:yyyy is an example where we may need some test cases
14:27:13 <Irfan> janina: locale settings should help for the issue entered in #84. we can't fix everything
14:28:11 <Irfan> paul_grenier: its up to author of TTS to figure out certain things. this is not for us to solve. we can't fix bad authoring
14:29:25 <Irfan> paul_grenier: we have a date method in our document where we can provide some examples.
14:29:42 <Irfan> paul_grenier: there is a format attribute as date.
14:32:38 <Irfan> JF: looking at working group note where it got that format attribute which can help answering COGA question.
14:33:26 <JF> https://www.w3.org/TR/ssml-sayas/#S3.1
14:33:53 <Irfan> JF: Doesn't solve the authoring problem but there is a mechanism.
14:34:18 <Irfan> janina: we need to draft a response and send it to COGA as a formal response.
14:38:25 <Irfan> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/85
14:39:08 <JF> Q?
14:39:11 <JF> ack me
14:40:00 <JF> Google's Media 'tag': https://developers.google.com/assistant/conversational/ssml#media
14:42:59 <Irfan> JF: is there anything actionable here?
14:43:30 <Irfan> paul_grenier: do we want to incorporate some of these notes into our documents?
14:43:53 <Irfan> janina: We are not ready to respond on this yet. Let us see other comments and arguments as well.
14:44:27 <Irfan> JF: we can acknowledge the comments.
14:45:17 <Irfan> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/86
14:47:58 <Irfan> mhakkinen: issue is here that one side is not using a11y API but DOM. he is right his approach that its going to be more expensive for him.
14:48:46 <Irfan> paul_grenier: even without the a11y API its using data set programmatically that would provide lot of speed than query selector.
14:49:25 <Irfan> mhakkinen: we are not aiming not to use any API.
14:50:22 <Irfan> paul_grenier: will make a note to myself to do some test with treewalker and data set.
14:51:39 <Irfan> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/87
14:52:17 <Irfan> mhakkinen: may be we can have something like aria-ssml or something
14:55:08 <Irfan> mhakkinen: have questions about outreach. contacted MS but heard nothing. Also haven't heard from NVDA. Those are the implementors that we need to hear from
14:55:59 <Irfan> rrsagent, make minutes
14:55:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/23-pronunciation-minutes.html Irfan
14:56:07 <Irfan> mhakkinen: we should be hearing from ORCA soon
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