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16:01:44 <liisamk> Meeting: Publishing Business Group Conference Day Americas/Europe
16:02:08 <liisamk> Date: 22 June 2021
16:02:22 <liisamk> Chair: Liisa McCloy-Kelley
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16:05:54 <Daihei> Liisa: intro
16:06:08 <Daihei> Europe/Americas meeting
16:06:33 <Daihei> Let's start with Laurent/EDRLab+PRHAlex
16:06:50 <Daihei> Liisa: Thorium reading system
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16:07:20 <Daihei> Laurent: Readium is a community authorizing system
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16:07:49 <Daihei> 2nd module is to navigate
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16:08:38 <Daihei> Laurent: Readium turns to several SDK. Desktop, mobile, etc.
16:08:50 <Daihei> LCP is a copyright protection
16:09:11 <guillianhetzler> present+
16:09:15 <Daihei> Desktop Readium: Mac/Windows, PDF capable
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16:09:52 <Daihei> Laurent: Last week released Thorium updated. So far 60K downloads
16:10:07 <Daihei> Laurent: DAISY 2.02 applicable
16:10:33 <Daihei> Thorium is updated continuously
16:10:53 <Daihei> Liisa: PRH started testing Thorium
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16:12:03 <Daihei> Alex: We started looking at Thorium, and use Thorium and tested it and Quality Testing now
16:12:27 <Daihei> Alex: Thorium is a great tool for accessibility
16:12:40 <Daihei> Laurent: Let me speak accessibility
16:12:57 <Daihei> 1. What is accessibility feature?
16:13:12 <Daihei> For low vision people.
16:13:34 <Daihei> Dyslexia friendly
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16:14:01 <Daihei> Contrast adjustable and fine tuned to blind people
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16:14:36 <Daihei> Adaptable to various screen pecuriarities
16:14:54 <Daihei> Navigate to different accessibility requirements
16:15:02 <George> q+
16:15:13 <Daihei> It can be customized in accessible ways
16:15:19 <wolfgang> s/pecuriarities/peculiarities/
16:15:46 <Daihei> Laurent: TTS capable
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16:16:00 <Daihei> Synthetic sound
16:16:20 <Daihei> System voice is in French, and
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16:16:35 <Daihei> Variable audio speed
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16:16:55 <Daihei> Accessible DRM, which is LCP
16:17:24 <wolfgang> s/System voice is in French, and/System voice is in French, and text in English, you can force the usage of the English speaker/
16:17:32 <Daihei> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYTnW1WLqKs&list=PLQAmHah-XQKx9ACK48Df8iLU-LxxZaix6&index=4
16:17:43 <Daihei> Thorium for EPUB proofing
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16:18:22 <Daihei> Every mobile, desktop user can use Readiam CSS
16:18:51 <Daihei> Readium CSS is interoperable
16:19:09 <Daihei> Evolution of CSS
16:19:43 <Daihei> You can find either Readium CSS or
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16:19:59 <Daihei> Rule of CSS is open to tuning
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16:20:23 <Daihei> Available for reading system developers
16:20:54 <Daihei> Trying to find a balance to tune to best reading system
16:21:11 <Daihei> Totally open accessible system
16:21:31 <Daihei> Alex: Excited to continue using Thorium
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16:22:23 <Daihei> Laurent: We need knowledge of both sides (readers and developers)
16:22:54 <Daihei> Liisa: Is there any opportunity for author's choice?
16:23:06 <Daihei> Laurent: Reading system must provide something.
16:23:21 <Daihei> We need pages, etc.
16:23:29 <Daihei> Lots of normalization issues
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16:23:55 <Daihei> It was mandatory to provide normalization
16:24:25 <Daihei> Maybe some cases alternative ways to be provided
16:24:41 <Daihei> CSS cannot block that
16:25:11 <Daihei> We must find several level of choices in normalizations
16:25:26 <Daihei> Liisa: How Thorium made available to libraries?
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16:25:49 <Daihei> Laurent: Yes, Desktop Readium is available for library patrons
16:25:53 <Daihei> Via OPDS
16:26:31 <Daihei> Thorium by getting URL of OPDS
16:27:10 <Daihei> Laurent: Users can extend the return from the application, Thorium
16:27:43 <Daihei> If Library adapts extended Thorium
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16:28:06 <Daihei> you can look into the total catalog
16:28:44 <Daihei> You can do the same kind of things on other mobile apps like Aldiko
16:29:14 <Daihei> Library in Belgium adapts Thorium
16:29:46 <Daihei> Laurent: I would like to see more retails/libraries adapts Thorium
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16:29:54 <Daihei> Liisa: what's next for Thorium?
16:30:04 <Daihei> Laurent: Long pages...
16:30:11 <Daihei> Annotations
16:30:23 <Daihei> We'd like to be able to share annotations
16:30:50 <Daihei> Laurent: Printing pages with constraints from DRM, LCP
16:31:00 <Daihei> Partnership with page CSS
16:31:21 <Daihei> Accessibility area, rulers, follow the lines, etc.
16:31:37 <Daihei> Syrables, punctuations, etc. to be made available
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16:31:59 <Daihei> People request more functions and we try to respond to them
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16:32:37 <Daihei> Laurent: Throium is based on open source, dependent on donations
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16:33:06 <Daihei> If you have desire to use Thorium, please join and help
16:33:46 <Daihei> Simon: Reflowable books, inability to re-sizing of paging
16:33:59 <Daihei> Reading emvironment can be limited
16:34:12 <Daihei> Can it be fixed in the roadmap?
16:34:58 <Daihei> Laurent: Yes. Based on the needs of publishers, we are in the process of prioritizing accessibilities, OPDS and
16:35:11 <Daihei> And then other requests to be dealt with
16:35:39 <Daihei> George: We are testing Thorium and whole bunch of other reading systems
16:35:44 <Daihei> I love Thorium
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16:36:05 <Daihei> But some particular fonts are not read
16:36:31 <Daihei> Dyslexia needs to be updated. But, I love Thorium
16:36:52 <Daihei> Laurent: We use Thorium to comic use
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16:48:10 <Daihei> Present+
16:49:25 <Daihei> Mary: LCP, thanks to Laurent, has been a huge help for us
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16:49:52 <Daihei> LCP is so good that no readers notice it
16:50:22 <Daihei> Mary: I will talk more about team
16:50:30 <Daihei> De Marque team
16:51:21 <Daihei> NetGalley team is to populate data and dev team is to take care of audio as wel
16:51:45 <Daihei> Fireband team is to deal with Firebrand cloud
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16:52:21 <Daihei> EDRLab developed LCP and that is so great for us
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16:53:32 <Daihei> Mary: Audiobooks we have more challenges
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16:53:53 <Daihei> When we launched Shelp, audio streaming do not work well
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16:54:27 <Daihei> De Marq, Firebrand and all we worked together to solve the problems
16:54:58 <Daihei> Fireband cloud team downsized the file size, and then downloads to happen more quickly
16:55:22 <Daihei> Streaming piece is now working better
16:55:43 <Daihei> Move on to key takeawasys
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16:56:10 <Daihei> Users want to work flowlessly
16:56:45 <Daihei> Before we launched streaming feature, users were very vocal about the problems
16:57:16 <Daihei> Then, users are accepting the streaming experiences much better
16:57:45 <Daihei> We had to delay one week in July launch on iOS
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16:58:11 <Daihei> Mary: It is great to have all the partners, working seemlessly
16:58:37 <Daihei> Questions:
16:59:37 <Daihei> Mary: How are audiobooks fitting into the environment you have for getting early buzz going?
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16:59:52 <Daihei> It is working good
17:00:23 <Daihei> Fran: We are taking audio experiences more important
17:00:36 <Daihei> Ubiquitas experiences
17:01:03 <Daihei> How we can provide analytics, consumption, ecosystem is capable of handling
17:01:30 <Daihei> Publishing people reach out to various different communities, which we would like to deal in 2021
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17:02:13 <Daihei> Liisa: Where things are going with people outreaches to audio communities, etc.?
17:02:32 <Daihei> Fran: Virtual author tools, etc. we are looking at them
17:02:54 <Daihei> Offering stylized individual readers,
17:03:45 <Daihei> Every conceivable ways to provide more user friendly experiences by providing scaling up the backends, etc.
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17:04:44 <Daihei> Liisa: Still doing Kindle, and RSMK, how big is that?
17:05:20 <Daihei> Fran: As long as people are using them, we aim to support them, which is 1/7 of users are still using them
17:05:39 <Daihei> Influencers do not want to be told how to consume
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17:05:57 <Daihei> Fran: (answering to Laurent
17:06:19 <Daihei> Laurent's question)
17:06:36 <Daihei> Laurent: Accessibility of new app is already working?
17:06:58 <Daihei> Fran: Laurent, you must know better than I do on that
17:07:15 <Daihei> Laurent: Large focus on accessibility
17:07:31 <Daihei> Laurent: I want to know bigger request from audiences?
17:07:46 <Daihei> Fran: We are not getting large requests on it
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17:07:52 <Daihei> Mary: Not so many
17:08:15 <Daihei> Mary: When requested, we work with De Marque team to solve it
17:08:36 <Daihei> Liisa: Thank you very much for Fran and Mary to join us
17:08:48 <Daihei> Liisa: Next one is Cristina
17:09:05 <Daihei> Cristina: We talked lots about Accessibility
17:09:20 <Daihei> One of the reasons is Accessibility Act
17:09:33 <Daihei> It's a very important one
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17:10:25 <Daihei> European act mandate is to request publishing industry to comply with European Directive
17:10:43 <Daihei> We are collaborating with EPUB WG
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17:11:03 <ivan> -> Draft mapping document : https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/epub-a11y-eaa-mapping/
17:11:25 <Daihei> Happy to say it is compliant with the Directive
17:11:31 <ivan> -> Soon-to-be published official note is: https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-a11y-eaa-mapping/
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17:12:05 <Daihei> Both Schema and Onix will fulfill the requirements
17:12:25 <Daihei> Documents are now provided and now with publishers organization in Europe
17:12:38 <Daihei> Commission will avoid mandate
17:12:57 <Daihei> Standard specifications for European Directive
17:13:27 <Daihei> Part of the Directive, we need to do not much also with WCAG
17:13:54 <Daihei> Commission will decide by the end of June, we can update you in our July call
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17:14:50 <Daihei> Requests to comply with requirements, but also require interoperable to requirements from European Commissions
17:15:07 <Daihei> Cristina: EPUB, ONIX, Schema,
17:15:49 <Daihei> European Federation of blinds.... to move faster with new requests
17:16:38 <Daihei> Liisa: Could you clairfy on requirements for backlist?
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17:16:53 <Daihei> Cristina: Backlist should be included
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17:17:31 <Daihei> It may be more complex but we are to deal with it to include backlist
17:18:12 <Daihei> Simon: Backlist requirement is a huge demand to publishers including image based one
17:18:21 <Daihei> Cristina: For the service, not the title
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17:18:54 <Daihei> Simon: It would be enormous requirements
17:19:15 <Daihei> Cristina: Of course, it is not only for trade, but for educational publishers as well
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17:19:38 <Daihei> Demonstrating title by title is a huge work
17:19:52 <Daihei> So, we are still in discussion to solve this issue
17:20:30 <Daihei> Cristina: Still not clear as to how to deal with the issue if this is for title by title, etc.
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17:21:04 <Daihei> Cristina: Educational publishers may be difficult to do, because there are so many images
17:21:14 <Daihei> Semantic tagging, etc.
17:21:46 <Daihei> Laurent: Directive is done in terms of wording, which can be decided country by country
17:22:08 <Daihei> Cristina: It may not be country by country, Commission will decide
17:22:27 <Daihei> We are working with Italian Government, France is doing the same
17:22:45 <Daihei> Disproportion of the work, we need to consider that
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17:23:05 <Daihei> Websites are always changing, but eBooks are always on the market
17:23:32 <Daihei> Next year we should have better understanding, also from European Federation
17:23:59 <Daihei> Audibook, Audio files not in the directive.
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17:24:48 <Daihei> Liisa: If it is in a service, and not by title, then reading system is something everybody is responsible?
17:25:01 <Daihei> Cristina: Yes, reading solution is.
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17:25:55 <Daihei> Schema, ONIX, Format of the publishers, metadata, payment, every element in the ecosystem is to be compliant
17:26:41 <Daihei> George: Task Force is finalizing the best practices to be easily understood, which is coming soon
17:26:55 <Daihei> For libraries, same requirements are imposed?
17:27:43 <Daihei> Cristina: Libraries are not in the same requirements.
17:28:06 <Daihei> Liisa: Any other questions?
17:28:15 <Daihei> Thank you all the guests
17:28:40 <Daihei> Hope to see some of you tonight!
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17:28:51 <Daihei> Cristina: Pajama call!
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23:57:46 <Zakim> Meeting: Publishing Business Group
23:58:17 <liisamk__> Date 22/23 June 2021
23:58:28 <liisamk__> Chair: Daihei Shiohama
23:58:35 <liisamk__> scribenick: liisamk
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00:04:04 <liisamk__> Topic: EU and Accessibility Act—What You Need to Know Now
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00:05:28 <liisamk__> Daihei: special PBG Conference every 3 months
00:05:38 <Hadrien> present+
00:08:00 <liisamk__> Cristina: there is a European directive that is now in the phase of legislation
00:08:08 <liisamk__> ...will enter in force in 2025
00:08:27 <liisamk__> ...will be mandatory for everyone in Europe and everyone who wants to sell content in Europe
00:08:44 <liisamk__> ...in phase of National legislation and some items under discussion at EU level
00:09:01 <liisamk__> ...the adoption of formats and standards for metadata
00:09:19 <liisamk__> ...directive has already noted EPUB and ONIX and Schema
00:09:35 <liisamk__> ...looking at ebooks as a service and not a product
00:09:58 <liisamk__> ...these standards are compliant with the requirements of the directive
00:10:10 <liisamk__> ...have done a mapping and are happy they are compliant
00:10:26 <liisamk__> ...may adopt these standards and not request a new standard
00:10:39 <liisamk__> ...same standards already in use for the industry
00:11:02 <liisamk__> ...metadata standards for ONIX and schema.org that are used for market and reading solutions
00:11:17 <liisamk__> ...described to the commission how these standards are managed and maintained
00:11:39 <liisamk__> ...they wanted rules that are open, inter operable and consensus based standards
00:11:46 <liisamk__> ...these are all standards like that
00:12:07 <liisamk__> ...the document and open position paper has been adopted by the European Federation of publishers
00:12:27 <liisamk__> ...also the Federation of the Blind and other orgs support
00:12:55 <liisamk__> ...should have more information to update on this by next month
00:13:19 <liisamk__> ...mapping and accessibility guideline will be published as a note of the W3C EPUB WG
00:14:05 <liisamk__> ...the letter: https://www.fondazionelia.org/en/research-and-development/european-accessibility-act-requirements-are-publishing-standards-as-epub-onix-and-schema-org-fully-compliant/
00:14:21 <liisamk__> Daihei: explains in Japanese
00:16:21 <liisamk__> Cristina: share letter and offers that it can be translated into Japanese to be helpful
00:17:10 <liisamk__> Cristina: question before about the backlist, and by 2025 all ebooks should
00:17:37 <liisamk__> ...considering as a "service" it seems it would mean all the titles that should be compliant
00:18:13 <liisamk__> ...only way to exclude is to show a disproportionate burden to comply
00:18:30 <liisamk__> ...but that seems it would be hard to prove and this is still under discussion
00:18:59 <liisamk__> ...backlist and burden - the commission says only audiobook are not included in the directive
00:19:12 <liisamk__> ...audio + text, should synchronize with the text
00:21:04 <liisamk__> Daihei: explains
00:22:36 <liisamk__> Daihei: explained that the backlist might require title by title excuses and
00:23:02 <liisamk__> ...that they could provide information for the industry of the enormous job to comply for full backlist
00:24:23 <liisamk__> Daihei: questions?
00:26:46 <liisamk__> Kidachi-san: from the position of APL and the Japanese regulatory
00:27:21 <liisamk__> ...discriminatory actions against anyone with disabilities will be in place in 3 years
00:27:37 <liisamk__> ...the way that now the EU act goes forward, it is even more severe
00:28:01 <liisamk__> ...what Japan should do with the industry, cope with the Japanese regulatory and make
00:28:10 <liisamk__> ...publications more accessible
00:28:33 <liisamk__> ,,,Japanese laws have no severe deadline, but it is time to discuss more accessibility
00:28:48 <liisamk__> Cristina: in Europe not everyone is moving yet
00:29:10 <liisamk__> ...work with LIA on fiction and non-fiction and now starting to be others
00:29:25 <liisamk__> ...from the reading system platforms as well and asking for more support
00:29:46 <liisamk__> ...in Italy legislation says all textbooks should have digital version
00:30:02 <liisamk__> ...one of the biggest issues is image description
00:30:25 <liisamk__> Daihei: explains
00:31:53 <liisamk__> Murata: comment, the IDPF version of EPUB accessibility was submitted to ISO as an ISO standard
00:32:24 <liisamk__> ...ISO committee will deliver a JIS standard to be delivered by June 2022
00:32:38 <liisamk__> ...welcome publishing participation and support
00:33:48 <liisamk__> Topic: Presentation of NetGalley and Shelf App Using Readium and LCP
00:34:09 <liisamk__> Daihei: intro Fran Toolan, CEO of Firebrand and NetGalley
00:34:42 <liisamk__> Fran: thank you and Mary Pratt is here with me as well as Hadrien who has been our partner at De Marque
00:34:55 <liisamk__> ...hello to new Media Do colleagues!
00:35:22 <liisamk__> ...agenda: context on the co, where we were when we decided to build the app, Mary
00:35:45 <liisamk__> ...will explain how we built and the teams and then we'll have time for questions
00:36:22 <liisamk__> ...NetGalley to get word of mouth buzz going about books
00:36:51 <liisamk__> ...in the US and UK, and launched in Japan, France and Germany in 2021
00:37:11 <liisamk__> ...based on Readium, uses LCP and OPDS
00:37:21 <liisamk__> ...may have some work to do on accessibility
00:37:39 <liisamk__> ...audio is very popular right now and there are many audio only publishers
00:38:02 <liisamk__> ...knew that audio is a difficult animal because there are no good standards for putting files together
00:38:12 <liisamk__> ...did not have a good solution for highly illustrated titles
00:38:38 <liisamk__> ...had to take matters into our own hands and make our own platform
00:38:55 <liisamk__> ...also had concern for the Adobe platform and whether it might fail
00:39:14 <liisamk__> ...had a partnership with Feedbooks and Adrian was a partner
00:39:33 <liisamk__> ...they are now De Marque and a logical partner for this work
00:40:06 <liisamk__> ...had some constraints, have to provide files the way a consumer wants them
00:40:37 <liisamk__> ...have to provide with Adobe DRM, with sending to kindle app and with social DRM
00:40:55 <liisamk__> ...that is at the request of publishers and readers and need to get books into the hands of influencers
00:41:05 <liisamk__> ...needed to control the audio environment
00:41:29 <liisamk__> ...audio didn't have a standard player
00:41:47 <liisamk__> ...industry moving towards open source from EDRlab and Readium
00:43:21 <liisamk__> Daihei: explains how to ask more questions of Fuji
00:44:06 <liisamk__> Mary: start with a few stats, launched the app in the US and UK in July 2020
00:44:35 <liisamk__> ...96K members have downloaded, 65% iOS, 35% Android
00:45:13 <liisamk__> ...Audiobooks are big- 3k files ingested, 155k downloads, but a challenge
00:45:41 <liisamk__> ...LCP has been great, 42k files converted to LCP and 415k downloads
00:45:51 <liisamk__> ...no complaints or comments it is so seamless
00:46:27 <liisamk__> ...NetGalley is a white label version of the app built by De Marque and by Hadrien
00:47:03 <liisamk__> ...NetGalley team needed to build a website and data feeds (OPDS) to show members what they could access
00:47:18 <liisamk__> ...Firebrand cloud provides content delivery and DRM
00:47:32 <liisamk__> ...also the licenses
00:47:50 <liisamk__> ...uploads and manifests for audio as well
00:48:08 <liisamk__> ...EDRLab built the LCP to protect PDF as a part of this
00:48:26 <liisamk__> ...tricky to work with the different technologies and 4 different development teams working
00:48:43 <liisamk__> ...closely together and Hadrien led the project
00:48:52 <liisamk__> ...has been a really great experience
00:49:09 <liisamk__> ...collaboration is important with challenges and audiobooks were the most challenging
00:49:29 <liisamk__> ...launched only with one option for listening- full unprotected downloads
00:49:49 <liisamk__> ...had complaints from listeners who had small devices or not slow connections
00:50:07 <liisamk__> ...have made many improvements to reduce the bitrate and filesizes
00:50:31 <liisamk__> ...moved downloads to CloudFront service and introduced secure streaming solutions
00:50:43 <liisamk__> ...that was in April 2021
00:51:05 <liisamk__> ...security piece allowed that individual tracks could be served with expiry links
00:51:12 <liisamk__> ...few key takeaways
00:51:24 <liisamk__> ...users expect a seamless experience, regardless of what they have
00:51:37 <liisamk__> ...they can be very vocal
00:51:55 <liisamk__> ...broad user testing is critical, given the wide variety of phones and OSs
00:52:46 <liisamk__> ...asked users who had already given feedback and got their buy-in
00:53:02 <liisamk__> ...that got positive reviews and helped
00:53:24 <liisamk__> ...Apple and google are their own challenges--for iOS it was getting the app reviewed
00:53:32 <liisamk__> ...had to delay the first launch
00:54:03 <liisamk__> ...providing a secure seamless experience that requires a lot of pieces to come together across
00:54:25 <liisamk__> ...multiple teams and it came together to make something we were excited about
00:55:01 <liisamk__> ...anticipated questions: were there improvements to the experience or content?
00:55:24 <liisamk__> ...we want to improve illustrated files and audiobooks and we really improved that
00:55:42 <liisamk__> ...how were audiobooks fitting into the environment for getting buzz going?
00:56:12 <liisamk__> ...we wanted to get members the books in the experience they wanted and more of them want audio
00:56:38 <liisamk__> Fran: question of were there opportunities in 2020?
00:56:57 <liisamk__> ...audio was an opportunity and publishers were reaching out more to readers directly
00:57:01 <liisamk__> ...what is next?
00:57:24 <liisamk__> ...now that there is a contained ecosystem, now that we can take a book from the whole environment
00:57:40 <liisamk__> ...we can help and facilitate with publishers taking things further and we have several
00:57:56 <liisamk__> ...initiatives to expand the infrastructure to handle volume and change
00:58:15 <liisamk__> ...the ways that publishers can use the NetGalley platform to reach out to constituents
00:58:55 <liisamk__> Daihei: questions?
00:59:27 <liisamk__> Daihei: ask question of Hadrien- what made you decide to use OPDS?
00:59:59 <liisamk__> Hadrien: used in a number of ways in the app, used in the bookshelf, communicates the metadata
01:00:09 <liisamk__> ...from the OPDS and not the epub itself
01:00:25 <liisamk__> ...it is used for download, stream, stream and then download
01:00:35 <liisamk__> ...it makes LCP seamless
01:00:52 <liisamk__> ...OPDS sends all the LCP information in the background
01:01:10 <liisamk__> ...it is also used to handle authentication
01:01:47 <liisamk__> ...it is also used in some apps for navigating catalogs, browse, search, and other things for libraries
01:02:49 <liisamk__> ...it has taken some time, for OPDS, LCP, Readium mobile - years for each
01:03:00 <liisamk__> Daihei: congratulations on how this all works
01:04:33 <liisamk__> Murata: questions: the use of accessibility metadata by Netgalley? Does Netgalley allow users
01:04:47 <liisamk__> ...to select epubs based on accessibility metadata
01:05:02 <liisamk__> Fran: not at this point
01:05:21 <liisamk__> ...users request access to books on the website and get access on their app
01:05:50 <liisamk__> ...do not see much accessibility info in ONIX at this pint
01:06:33 <liisamk__> Murata: Do you allow people to use epub readers to choose their own that works for accessibility?
01:08:15 <liisamk__> Fran: not at this point, LCP is used by our reader, also allow Adobe, Social DRM and no DRM
01:08:47 <liisamk__> Liisa: many of the books in NetGalley (at least for PRH) are pre-pub and more like print galleys, not all
01:09:03 <liisamk__> ...the final EPUB and accessibility features are in place at this point
01:09:09 <liisamk__> ...good question, though
01:09:46 <liisamk__> Topic: Digital Library Market in Japan
01:10:19 <liisamk__> Takeshi: digital library market in Japan are focused on public
01:10:46 <liisamk__> ...reach 200 cities and towns and 1794 municipalities and 11% of market
01:12:05 <liisamk__> ...not the exact number of public libraries, but is where local governments have introduced
01:12:16 <liisamk__> ...digital lending under their umbrella
01:12:41 <liisamk__> ...can be a number of libraries under each local government
01:13:21 <liisamk__> ...first digital library started in 2007 and have grown in 2020-2021 to be much larger
01:13:29 <liisamk__> ...reason is covid-19
01:14:33 <liisamk__> ...lots of libraries stopped operations and had digital lending to be applied
01:15:05 <liisamk__> ...at the same time the government provided stimulus of 40B USD, some of this to cover library support
01:15:36 <liisamk__> ...looking back at previous years, awareness and content
01:15:50 <liisamk__> ...few content for the libraries and publishers didn't permit titles in the libraries
01:15:57 <liisamk__> ...there were under 300 titles
01:16:21 <liisamk__> ...the budget structure of the cities and town takes 1-3 years to get the budget
01:16:28 <liisamk__> ...so for 10 years things were small
01:17:22 <liisamk__> ...with Overdrive and Media Do, expanded to 3.7M titles from 5000 publishers, from 85 countries
01:17:42 <liisamk__> ...started business in 2014 and was hard to promote English titles in Japan
01:18:24 <liisamk__>  ...the libraries were partners and the funds from last year were used to expand
01:18:43 <liisamk__> ...the accessibility for world is WCAG 2.1
01:19:22 <liisamk__> ...for Japan it is that they recommend WCAG2.0/ISO/JIS 8341-3:2016
01:19:50 <liisamk__> ...from the ministry of internal affairs and communications
01:20:16 <liisamk__> ...now that WCAG 3.0 is being discussed, the rest of world is using WCAG 2.1
01:20:48 <liisamk__> ...developed Japan Industry Standard, JIS to be used within the framework of WCAG 2.0
01:21:26 <liisamk__> ...digital lending system in Japan needs to be compliant with this specification
01:22:19 <liisamk__> ...we ask to libraries to use overdrive system to help with this
01:23:10 <liisamk__> ...we should think about how to respond to this
01:23:57 <liisamk__> Daihei: application of accessibility system, Voyager browser based system helps with compliance
01:24:12 <liisamk__> ...not built into any of the other reading systems in Japan yet
01:24:33 <liisamk__> ...must cope with requirements for service providers and publishers
01:30:26 <liisamk__> jkamata: explains how Voyager is working (Daihei to fill in details)
01:30:53 <liisamk__> Daihei: to summarize, Voyager would like to make it easy for everyone to have easy access to content
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01:31:40 <liisamk__> ...learned more than 20 years ago that some who have difficulties the print book with paper can't be reorganized or easy
01:31:53 <liisamk__> ...TTS allows them to hear and understand the content
01:32:17 <liisamk__> ...Voyager Japan has been working to make the content easy for everyone and bring authors and readers closer
01:32:29 <liisamk__> ...accessibility implemented for the reading world
01:32:53 <liisamk__> Daihei: questions?
01:35:32 <liisamk__> rrsagent, draft minutes
01:35:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/22-pbg-minutes.html liisamk__
01:35:40 <liisamk__> zakim, end meeting
01:35:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been liisamk__, shiestyle, Daihei_, jyoshii, jkamata, Hadrien
01:35:42 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
01:35:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/22-pbg-minutes.html Zakim
01:35:45 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, liisamk__; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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01:35:54 <liisamk__> rrsagent, bye
01:35:54 <RRSAgent> I see no action items