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15:40:17 <sajkaj> agenda?
15:40:31 <sajkaj> Meeting: Silver Conformance Options Subgroup
15:40:36 <sajkaj> Date: 10 Jun 2021
15:40:41 <sajkaj> Chair: sajkaj
15:40:46 <sajkaj> rrsagent, make log public
15:40:54 <sajkaj> Agenda+ Agenda Review & Administrative Items
15:40:54 <sajkaj> agenda+ Third Party Proposal https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Proposal_on_Third_Party_Content
15:40:57 <sajkaj> agenda+ Whoville as Proxy for Views & Processes https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/May_Report_to_the_Silver_TF#Principle_3:_Scoping_for_Primary_Purpose
15:41:00 <sajkaj> agenda+ Other Business
15:41:03 <sajkaj> agenda+ Be Done
15:47:04 <sajkaj>  rrsagent, make minutes
15:47:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/10-silver-conf-minutes.html sajkaj
15:50:02 <sajkaj> regrets: Bruce_Bailey
15:50:17 <sajkaj>  rrsagent, make minutes
15:50:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/10-silver-conf-minutes.html sajkaj
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16:05:26 <PeterKorn> Present+
16:06:01 <PeterKorn> https://blog.aboutamazon.in/working-at-amazon/people-with-disabilities-are-enriching-the-talent-pool-at-amazon-india
16:06:58 <Wilco> present+
16:07:33 <Wilco> scribe: Wilco
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16:07:53 <Wilco> zakim, take up next
16:07:53 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Administrative Items -- taken up [from sajkaj]
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16:08:35 <Wilco> Janina: Worked with Jeanne and Peter. We have a draft on third-party content
16:09:03 <Wilco> ... I think views is something we haven't talked about enough yet.
16:09:34 <Wilco> Janina: We are discussing the proposal on tomorrow's Silver call.
16:09:47 <Wilco> ... We'll discuss with AGWG on June 22nd.
16:10:02 <Wilco> zakim, take up next
16:10:02 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Third Party Proposal https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Proposal_on_Third_Party_Content -- taken up [from sajkaj]
16:13:50 <sajkaj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Proposal_on_Third_Party_Content
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16:14:15 <JF> Present+
16:14:16 <sajkaj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Proposal_on_Third_Party_Content
16:18:35 <Wilco> Janina: Start at definitions
16:19:33 <Wilco> Wilco: Wonder if there are gaps. There might be some overlap between them too. We could define one and have the second be defined as everything not the first.
16:19:56 <Wilco> Peter: There is a range of author arranged, depending on market power
16:20:25 <sajkaj> q?
16:20:38 <Wilco> Janina: Some of that is intended for the conforming steps
16:20:58 <Wilco> JF: For media, there is both content and the player. Do we make a distinction between the two?
16:21:31 <Wilco> Peter: What's tricky with that, depending on the media, the player may be bundled with the media, or it may be developed by the author
16:23:08 <Wilco> JF: There are two buckets. There is content, and there are players
16:23:29 <Wilco> Janina: One thing out of scope of WCAG 3 is normative requirements on user agents
16:24:00 <Wilco> ... We're probably more focused on what is normative
16:27:29 <Wilco> Peter: There are now three steps to conform, fairly similar, but different enough
16:30:26 <Wilco> Wilco: So it is built on the accessibility statement?
16:31:14 <Wilco> Peter: Its to take strong steps to clearly indicate what we do and do not own.
16:31:58 <Wilco> Jeanne: Suggest we remove "under contract"
16:32:09 <Wilco> Wilco: Hard to test too
16:34:07 <Wilco> Wilco: It doesn't provide much recourse
16:34:59 <sajkaj> q?
16:38:51 <Wilco> Wilco: This doesn't feel like a solution, just pointing out what parts aren't accessible.
16:39:06 <Wilco> Janina: That is the hard problem. Not sure there is a solution to that.
16:41:34 <Wilco> Janina: We're asking people to pester the people who aren't cooperating
16:42:11 <sajkaj> q?
16:42:14 <Wilco> Peter: This stuff only has teeth when it gets adopted. By clearly highlighting where the problem is we're giving a roadmap
16:42:14 <Wilco> q+
16:42:24 <ToddLibby> q?
16:42:35 <ToddLibby> q+
16:43:19 <Wilco> Janina: The notion of providing metadata fell off. Shouldn't have to start them to find out if it is available.
16:43:42 <Wilco> JF: schema.org has a collection of accessibility metadata. Not sure if it has everything
16:44:40 <Wilco> Peter: Amazon relies on the studio to tell when AD exists. We require it when it exists. We've started creating AD for third-party content.
16:44:56 <JF> Q+
16:45:12 <Wilco> ... We did that for some content where the contract allows it.
16:45:36 <sajkaj> q?
16:46:31 <sajkaj> ack w
16:47:28 <sajkaj> q?
16:47:38 <sajkaj> ack to
16:47:59 <Wilco> Wilco: Am concerned we're opening the gates. There are some scenarios where an organisation has no choice, but there are lots of cases where they might and they need to do the research. This doesn't distinguish them.
16:48:30 <sajkaj> ack jf
16:48:32 <Azlan> q+
16:48:46 <Azlan> Peter go ahead of me though
16:49:42 <Wilco> JF: I believe WCAG 3 will have to require some metadata assertions. In terms of accountability, making those declarations is going to have to be part of a solution. When we make those decisions we'll have to have a mechanism.
16:50:35 <sajkaj> q?
16:51:56 <Wilco> Peter: I think it's important to also do it in a user findable way. Accessibility statements are buried somewhere. On the page it has to be clear. I should know before I purchase / start watching
16:52:05 <sajkaj> ak a
16:53:21 <Wilco> Azlan: Who do you report to when there is an intermediate / aggregator
16:56:11 <sajkaj> q?
16:56:20 <Wilco> Janina: Switch topic to user generated content
16:56:48 <Wilco> Jeanne: Suggest we don't use prompting. ATAG has a different approach called equal prominence.
16:59:37 <Wilco> Peter: I would like to explicitly apply this to use cases A and B
16:59:46 <Wilco> Janina: Lets do that next week
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17:00:46 <JF> Bye All
17:01:04 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
17:01:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/10-silver-conf-minutes.html jeanne
17:01:05 <Wilco> zakim, end meeting
17:01:05 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been PeterKorn, Wilco, Azlan, ToddLibby, JF
17:01:07 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:01:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/10-silver-conf-minutes.html Zakim
17:01:10 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Wilco; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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17:01:26 <Wilco> RRSAgent, bye
17:01:26 <RRSAgent> I see no action items