14:54:56 RRSAgent has joined #md-odrl-profile 14:54:56 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/06/09-md-odrl-profile-irc 14:54:58 RRSAgent, make logs Public 14:54:59 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jo_ 14:55:32 Meeting: Rights Automation Community Group Teleconference 14:55:41 chair: jo 14:55:46 regrets: renato 14:55:56 present+ jo 14:56:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:56:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/09-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_ 14:58:33 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 15:00:50 present+ ben 15:01:45 NigelP has joined #md-odrl-profile 15:02:39 Caspar_MacRae has joined #md-odrl-profile 15:02:58 present+ Caspar, MarkD, Nigel, MarkB 15:04:20 scribe: nigelp 15:05:04 Topic: Admin 15:06:34 RESOLUTION: Accept minutes of last meeting 15:06:44 Topic: FISD Update 15:07:15 ben: two other meetings coming up. 15:07:37 Exchange constituency: any topics? 15:07:56 ... propose to raise asking them to work with us on ODRL modelling of licensed 15:08:09 s/licensed/licenses/ 15:08:49 Mark: ask for feedback on reservations they have about ODRL? 15:09:00 s/Exchange/... Exchange 15:10:23 ben: will use "Lego block" analogy to illustrate what ODRL offers 15:12:20 present+ ali 15:12:21 Mark: makes point we need exchange input to help get definitions around things like "derived data" right. 15:12:38 ben: only have consumer perspective 15:13:15 ... also have meeting with Federation of European Stock Exchanges. They have expressed interest in standardisation. 15:14:13 present+ michelle 15:14:20 ... FISD. Have clear plan now. Mark introduces standard, Video demo of consent duties, Video demo of standardised descriptions. 15:14:42 ... then panel discussion. 15:15:34 jo_: have been asked to take sceptical tone when moderating panel to ensure concerns are raised and addressed. 15:17:08 Topic: Editor's Meeting 15:17:44 jo_: items raised: three items. Ben to discuss 15:17:51 ben: Identifiers. 15:18:20 ... Caspar considering possible ways to represent identifiers. 15:18:41 s/three items/identifiers, white label, web site, proscription 15:19:09 Caspar_MacRae: recommending URI, proposal out end of week, hopefully. 15:21:00 ben: When referencing other standards we should note the cross reference in the standard and provide a place holder where we can annotate the reference to indicate our interpretation 15:21:29 ... see "External References" section. 15:23:38 ... questions around who hosts the feed. Standard can model known use cases - vendor hosted, web hosting and deployed feed. Feedback sought on if this covers everything. 15:25:10 Mark: discusses case where an internally hosted service is outsourced 15:25:40 ben: would model the two stages separately (in-house vs vendor hosted) 15:26:55 ... key driver here is around license terms where there is more sensitivity around data that consumers are managing themselves. 15:27:01 s/Mark:/Markd: 15:28:37 ben: duty action of "agreement". 15:29:15 ... to handle cases where a legally binding agreement (usually to enforce a proscription) 15:29:35 s/agreement/agreement is required/ 15:31:28 ... use cases exist where you cannot do A/B/C without prior consent. This was modeled as a duty, but feedback is that it might work better as a "prohibition" with a "remedy" 15:35:18 MarkD: considers case where by default you may not distribute but you may be able to get selective approval on a case by case basis. 15:38:49 Caspar_MacRae: disagree with "prohibition/remedy" model. 15:40:18 Markd: recognise Caspar's concern. 15:40:42 jo_: asks if Remedy is defined term 15:40:52 ben: comes from base ODRL 15:41:46 present+ olga 15:45:25 jo_: why do we need two ways of representing the same thing? 15:46:10 ben: trying to fit better with people's mental models of what is happening (at the cost of complexity in processing) 15:52:22 ACTION: Ben to report on exchange view on requirement for prohibition 15:52:45 Topic: Maintenance of the Standard 15:53:31 ben: expectation standard will evolve over time. 15:54:03 ... how to control changes and minimise disruption. 15:55:54 ... how to handle cases where requestor and policy managing component have different policy versions. How do we fail gracefully? 15:58:14 ... part of this will be having static and stable terms 15:59:56 NigelP: suggest analogy with how software interfaces are defined with major and minor version numbers. 16:00:04 ACTION: Caspar and Nigel to come up with some ideas on Versions and forwards and Backwards compatibility 16:00:27 Topic: AOB 16:01:05 --- meeting closed --- 16:01:38 scribeoptions: -oldStyle -nodraft 16:01:55 rrsagent, make minutes 16:01:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/09-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_ 16:03:45 rrsagent, make minutes 16:03:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/09-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_ 16:05:35 rrsagent, make logs public 16:07:08 rrsagent, pointer 16:07:08 See https://www.w3.org/2021/06/09-md-odrl-profile-irc#T16-07-08 16:11:08 s/jo_/jo/g 16:11:16 rrsagent, make minutes 16:11:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/09-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_ 17:08:07 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 17:28:18 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 17:34:21 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 18:11:06 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 18:52:08 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 19:08:48 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 19:26:36 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 20:02:42 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 20:20:04 Zakim has left #md-odrl-profile 20:37:52 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 21:19:21 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 21:41:28 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 22:23:53 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 22:43:15 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 22:43:42 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 23:38:22 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile 23:51:36 ben has joined #md-odrl-profile