IRC log of dxwgdcat on 2021-06-09

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Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 09 June 2021
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Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.06.09
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regrets: Alejandra
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Chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
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Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 09 June 2021
20:10:10 [DaveBrowning]
present+
20:10:14 [AndreaPerego]
meeting: DCAT subgroup meeting
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scribenick: AndreaPerego
20:10:29 [riccardoAlbertoni__]
PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2021/05/26-dxwgdcat-minutes
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topic: approve last meeting minutes
20:10:37 [riccardoAlbertoni__]
+1
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+1
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+1
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RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2021/05/26-dxwgdcat-minutes
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topic: approve agenda
20:12:08 [riccardoAlbertoni__]
https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.06.09
20:12:17 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni__: Do we want to do any changes?
20:12:30 [AndreaPerego]
AndreaPerego: Not me
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DaveBrowning: Fine with me
20:12:48 [riccardoAlbertoni__]
TOPIC: Should we move future teleconference on ZOOM or others systems?
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topic: Teleconf system
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20:13:23 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni__: Should we move away from WebEx?
20:13:47 [AndreaPerego]
... Asking every time the host code is not very handy.
20:14:05 [AndreaPerego]
... Should we use zoom instead?
20:14:17 [riccardoAlbertoni__]
PROPOSED: we move to zoom for future teleconferences (so that we do not have to ask for webex host code every meeting).
20:14:20 [AndreaPerego]
+1
20:14:22 [DaveBrowning]
+1
20:14:24 [riccardoAlbertoni__]
+1
20:14:49 [riccardoAlbertoni__]
resolved:we move to zoom for future teleconferences (so that we do not have to ask for webex host code every meeting).
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TOPIC: Issues related to dcat:theme and dcat:keywords
20:15:22 [AndreaPerego]
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20:15:40 [riccardoAlbertoni__]
Subtopic: dcat:keyword subproperty of dcterms:subject, Issues https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1374 and https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/175 :
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20:19:17 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni__: Because now dcterms:subject has no range restriction, it could be also used by literals, so the issue can be probably dropped.
20:19:35 [AndreaPerego]
AndreaPerego: Not sure that this implies that dcterms:subject could be used with literals.
20:21:09 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni__: Yes, there are two issues here. The first one is about removing the subproperty relation.
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AndreaPerego: I think the range can be safely dropped. I'm very much concerned about interoperability issues if we have properties that can be used with both literals and URI refs.
20:30:56 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni__: Yes, but on the DCAT side we specialise this, so we shouldn't have such issues.
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20:37:29 [AndreaPerego]
AndreaPerego: Looking at the usage note in DCTERMS, mentioned by Antoine, I don't see an explicit statement about the fact that dcterms:subject can be used directly with literals.
20:37:59 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni__: So, let's keep on discussing this on GH.
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20:38:18 [riccardoAlbertoni__]
Subtopic::coherence between dcat:themeTaxonomy and dcat:theme. (Issues https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1364 and https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1153 )
20:39:28 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni__: The issue is about consistency of the range restrictions of dcat:theme and dcat:themeTaxonomy.
20:40:47 [AndreaPerego]
... Last time we decided to add a note about compatibility of owl:Class's and skos:Concept's.
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https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1380
20:42:30 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni__: There was also a discussion, where Simon was proposing to drop the range restriction, and explain the recommended use in the usage note.
20:42:36 [riccardoAlbertoni__]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1379
20:42:51 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni__: Do you have any preference between the two PRs?
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20:52:39 [AndreaPerego]
AndreaPerego: Fine for me to drop the range restriction and make them owl:ObjectProperty's, but we should make it clear that the use of these properties has not changed, and that we are just fixing a bug.
20:52:49 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni__: So we can add a note to make it clear.
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20:53:09 [DaveBrowning]
+1 to all of that
20:54:17 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni__: There's an ancillary issue - in the RDF we defined owl:ObjectProperty's, but we didn't make this explicit.
20:55:01 [AndreaPerego]
... Should we make the spec more consistent with the RDF.
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TOPIC: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1362 - Following the recommendation to use dct:type prevents using SKOS-based reference datasets or standard RDF typing
20:59:41 [AndreaPerego]
AndreaPerego: We can add a row "Type" saying whether this is a owl:DatatypeProperty or a owl:ObjectProperty.
20:59:55 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni__: Let's go that way.
21:00:50 [AndreaPerego]
riccardoAlbertoni__: Issue #1362 was basically addressed by the DCMI Usage Board. So Antoine proposes to close it.
21:01:57 [AndreaPerego]
... Should we close it, or go on with the discussion?
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21:07:24 [AndreaPerego]
AndreaPerego: I think we can add a comment saying that, unless there are still open issues, we will close it.
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[meeting adjourned]
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