15:51:30 RRSAgent has joined #apa 15:51:30 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/06/09-apa-irc 15:51:32 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:51:35 Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference 15:51:35 Date: 09 June 2021 15:51:35 agenda? 15:51:42 zakim, clear agenda 15:51:42 agenda cleared 15:52:17 Chair: Janina 15:52:17 agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements 15:52:17 agenda+ TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021 15:52:17 agenda+ Task Force Updates 15:52:17 agenda+ FAST Progress 15:52:19 agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 15:52:22 agenda+ Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review 15:52:25 agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html 15:52:28 agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned 15:52:31 agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open 15:52:33 agenda+ Other Business 15:52:38 agenda+ be done 15:53:13 Regrets: Amy, John, Ian 15:54:25 present+ 15:58:29 Fazio has joined #apa 16:00:14 Lionel_Wolberger has joined #apa 16:00:17 Gottfried has joined #apa 16:00:49 present+ 16:01:32 becky has joined #apa 16:01:43 present+ 16:04:07 scribe: becky 16:04:15 present+ 16:04:24 present+ 16:04:44 zakim, next item 16:04:44 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina] 16:05:19 Janina: stock agenda, hearing no additions 16:05:35 Fredrik has joined #apa 16:05:40 present+ 16:06:03 Gottfried: Accessible input methods for gaming master's thesis candidate is presenting on this on Friday, June 11 - free webinar 16:06:59 Free webinar on accessible hands-free input methods for a serious VR game on Fri at 3pm CET: https://digitalisierung.hdm-stuttgart.de/barrierefreiheit/2021/06/07/webinar-accessible-hands-free-input-methods-for-a-serious-vr-game/ 16:07:00 see details in apa mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2021Jun/0012.html 16:07:52 Janina: definitely interest from RQTF with respect to XAUR 16:08:02 q+ 16:08:20 Gottfried: looking into digital accessibility in learning environments in August in relation to VR 16:08:26 present+ 16:08:31 ack paul 16:09:07 paul_grenier: asks about the video from previous presentation by one of Gottfried's students 16:09:24 q+ 16:09:38 Janina: we are making progress on posting the video, just need to get it stored in W3C space 16:10:12 ack fre 16:10:31 zakim, next item 16:10:31 agendum 2 -- TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021 -- taken up [from janina] 16:11:31 Janina: starting to figuring out other groups we want to meet with at TPAC - we need a specific topic 16:11:32 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021#Groups_to_coordinate_with 16:12:11 q+ 16:12:11 Janina: please remember that TPAC is a great time to meet with other groups to share information and to get their engagement in promoting our notes and specifications 16:12:34 ack Fredrik 16:12:52 Fredrik: asks about how meetings work 16:13:29 Janina: before COVID it was Face to face meetings; was virtual last year and will be again this year in October 16:14:48 janina : 2 types of meetings - some with other working groups and also general meetings that W3C sponsors. Can have longer meetings concentrated on a specific subject that needs in-depth discussion (longer than a standard one hour meeting) 16:16:04 janina: usually a 3 year cycle of meetings in europe, north america, asia locations 16:16:28 zakim, next item 16:16:29 agendum 3 -- Task Force Updates -- taken up [from janina] 16:17:11 present+COGA is trying to lock down research methodology for mental health 16:17:12 janina : RQTF is going crazy with many topics; making progress, and continue to have wider participation in the group - this is great! 16:17:20 present+ 16:17:39 janina : still hoping to close xaur by the end of the month; 16:18:12 janina : Pronunciation is waiting for additional feedback, deadline for feedback is next week; working on conference proposals 16:19:07 janina : personalization making steady progress; Lionel_Wolberger has accepted position as co-facilitator with Sharon Snider, Lisa has stepped down 16:20:27 Fazio : working on position paper and research about anonymized study as some people don't want to give up info 16:20:50 Janina: suggests there is formal guidance on this within the US and folks on RQTF that might be able to help 16:22:28 zakim, next item 16:22:28 agendum 4 -- FAST Progress -- taken up [from janina] 16:23:52 Joshue108 : There is a survey out for APA and silver participants; Please respond as soon as possible so we can start working on it right away 16:23:52 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2021Jun/0009.html 16:24:14 Gottfried has joined #apa 16:24:21 MichaelC: will be out for next few weeks, back on June 28 16:25:17 Joshue108 : survey is open until June 30 16:25:56 Janina: encourages everyone to participate in this survey, it will guide our work as well as silver and how guidelines are tested 16:26:39 janina : it will help drive our horizontal reviews; we will likely follow the same procedure that internationalization uses - have groups complete a form to get started 16:27:22 janina: will help drive getting instructions for groups to include accessibility within specifications 16:27:28 zakim, next item 16:27:28 agendum 5 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina] 16:28:53 https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2021/svg.html 16:28:55 MichaelC: SVG draft charter 16:29:32 MichaelC : SVG 2 and SVG accessibility api mappings 16:29:53 The last work on these API mappings, https://www.w3.org/TR/svg-aam-1.0/#:~:text=SVG%20Accessibility%20API%20Mappings%20(%20SVG,accessibility%20in%20their%20user%20agent. 16:30:12 Janina: there are some api mappings - some confusion about who owns mapping - ARIA or SVG 16:31:01 MichaelC: has a liaison statement with ARIA and API 16:31:31 Janina: no issues 16:31:58 zakim, next item 16:31:58 agendum 6 -- Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina] 16:33:08 MichaelC : WebGPU - we talked about this last week; Phillippe suggests this is not an apa issue and advises closing 16:33:33 Janina: group agrees to take Philippe's advice - close 16:33:39 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5927 16:34:46 MichaelC: APA is ok with the disposition but wants to see test results demonstrating keyboard accessible collapse / expand. 16:35:30 Issue closed but APA keeping the mirror one open, we want to see the test results before closing this. 16:37:03 https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/166 16:37:04 Topic: additional horizontal review items 16:37:56 MichaelC: Mini apps wanted review of comment about exposing accessibility tree for mini apps 16:38:46 Joshue108 : Roy and I are due to talk about mini apps next week so can take this up then 16:39:55 janina: pronunciation is finding that expressing details of pronunciation may need to be incorporated in accessibility api - not the same issue but elevates the need for a11y api discussions 16:40:36 https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/7 16:40:44 MichaelC : wide review requests from performance timeline 16:40:58 MichaelC : we did look at the spec and decided not to review 16:41:18 q+ 16:41:25 janina: this is a spec that collects data on how well applications are performing 16:41:29 ack Fredrik 16:42:33 Fredrik : perhaps should consider that AT can have an impact on performance 16:44:06 Fredrik : as academic would like to see whether or not AT was in use should be part of the data but that brings up data privacy issues 16:44:32 https://w3c.github.io/performance-timeline/ 16:45:18 q+ 16:45:52 ack Fredrik 16:45:54 q+ 16:46:17 ACTION: Fredrik to review the Performance timeline https://w3c.github.io/performance-timeline/ 16:46:21 Created ACTION-2293 - Review the performance timeline https://w3c.github.io/performance-timeline/ [on Fredrik Fischer - due 2021-06-16]. 16:46:35 Concernsus, perhaps? 16:47:10 Lionel_Wolberger : is there a worst case example of how info about AT use affects privacy 16:47:52 janina: provides example 16:48:05 https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/6 16:48:06 MichaelC : CSS counter styles 16:48:12 https://drafts.csswg.org/css-counter-styles-3/#changes-2017 16:48:18 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Counter_Styles_Level_3 16:48:38 MichaelC : requesting a review of this draft; we are actively reviewing 16:49:03 janina: suggest assigning to Amy; Lisa Seeman also had interest several years ago 16:50:19 zakim, next item 16:50:19 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, becky 16:50:26 ack Lionel_Wolberger 16:50:31 zakim, next item 16:50:32 agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina] 16:50:39 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/2021/NOTE-audio-eq-cookbook-20210608/ Audio EQ Cookbook 16:50:58 MichaelC : audio EQ cookbook 16:52:01 MichaelC : this is a note that was published without review- is adapted with permission from a published text 16:52:26 janina: this was discussed at RQTF there is a concern about triggering seizures 16:53:11 Janina: need to raise concern that a note was published without APA horizontal review 16:53:52 Janina: there is a concern about visual stroking triggers that may also exist in audio 16:54:21 rrsagent, make minutes 16:54:21 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/09-apa-minutes.html becky 16:54:27 zakim, next item 16:54:27 agendum 8 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from janina] 16:54:56 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2021Apr/0013.html 16:54:58 MichaelC : permission policy is still dangling - believe we had several comments 16:56:15 MichaelC : spec deals with what content features should be allowed within the browsers; 16:56:45 MichaelC : if we have concerns we need to provide a specific accessibility example 16:57:21 MichaelC : I understand that this mostly a security issue 16:57:52 becky: believe that others in this group were also looking into this, perhaps JF? 16:58:01 Janina: believe we have use cases 16:58:13 +1 to making auto-play of audio "defeatable" 16:59:00 Lionel_Wolberger : reviewed media stream content hints; spec offers api to hint to user agent on what to expect from the media track 16:59:05 janina: needs more time 16:59:37 Lionel_Wolberger : please review comment on list 16:59:38 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2021Jun/0001.html 17:00:36 Lionel_Wolberger : choices between video getting blurry or skip frames when "gets behind". there are certainly accessibility concerns 17:00:51 rrsagent, make minutes 17:00:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/09-apa-minutes.html becky 17:01:09 zakim, clear agenda 17:01:09 agenda cleared 17:01:41 zakim, end meeting 17:01:41 As of this point the attendees have been becky, paul_grenier, Fazio, Lionel_Wolberger, JF, janina, Fredrik, amy_c, joconnor, JonnyJames, stevelee, Gottfried, Joshue, COGA, is, 17:01:44 ... trying, to, lock, down, research, methodology, for, mental, health 17:01:44 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 17:01:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/09-apa-minutes.html Zakim