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12:46:16 <kaz> Meeting: WoT Testfest - Day 2
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13:01:17 <kaz> chair: McCool
13:01:27 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCook, Kunihiko_Toumura
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13:02:42 <FarshidT> Hi, I am in another call. I will join after 10-20 minutes to discuss the validation PR.
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13:06:19 <kaz> present+ Andrea_Cimmino, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Philipp_Blum
13:06:28 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:06:35 <kaz> present- Michael_McCook
13:06:40 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
13:06:43 <cris_> topic: minutes
13:06:51 <cris_> mc: they look good
13:07:03 <kaz> i|they|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/07-wot-pf-minutes.html June-7|
13:07:17 <kaz> i/they/scribenick: cris_/
13:07:28 <kaz> present+ Christian_Glomb
13:07:41 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
13:07:50 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:08:04 <cris_> mc: any objections to publish the minutes?
13:08:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:08:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/08-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:08:50 <cris_> ... minor problem with how "action" is recorded
13:09:03 <cris_> ... ok minutes approved
13:09:24 <cris_> topic: Agenda updates
13:09:33 <cris_> mc: we have two prs
13:09:48 <cris_> mc adding two points in the agenda
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13:09:58 <cris_> topic: PRs
13:10:11 <cris_> subtopic: PR 131
13:10:15 <cris_> mc: it adds a github action
13:10:42 <cris_> daniel: I am pretty sure that the action will kick in only for new prs
13:11:36 <cris_> cris: some actions can be run manually
13:11:39 <cris_> ... not this one
13:11:43 <cris_> mc: let's try
13:12:29 <cris_> subtopic Pr 133
13:12:34 <cris_> mc: merging
13:12:42 <cris_> ... ege does the playground handle TMs?
13:12:47 <cris_> ege: no
13:12:57 <cris_> mc: is it easy to add?
13:13:18 <cris_> ege: yeah it is possible, just annoying from a design prospective
13:13:25 <cris_> mc: we are just interested to the script
13:13:30 <cris_> ... is there a way to do it?
13:13:36 <cris_> ege: yes
13:14:13 <cris_> ... however it is not just a simple validation so it might get tricky later on
13:14:41 <cris_> ... but we can add a script dedicated to TMs
13:15:08 <cris_> mc: we can collaborate with farshid to add it
13:15:17 <dape> q+
13:15:33 <cris_> ege: I want to add this feature in a consistent way
13:15:44 <cris_> ... but I can write a dedicated script outside the playground
13:15:57 <dape> ack dape
13:16:03 <cris_> dape: yeah we can just use ajv with our new schema
13:16:59 <cris_> mc: I let you guys to choose the optimal way to solve this issue
13:17:07 <cris_> topic: TD Testing
13:17:36 <cris_> mc: we only have intel and siemens TDs
13:17:47 <kaz> i|it adds a github|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/131 PR 131 - Add Github Action to validate new TDs|
13:17:51 <cris_> ... who else has plan to submit TDs ?
13:17:53 <cris_> ege: I am
13:18:12 <cris_> mc: I am worried about not having a good amount of TDs
13:18:55 <kaz> i|mc: merging|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/133 PR 133 - feat: add Siemens TDs and TMs files|
13:19:10 <cris_> ege: small warning: some early TDs submitted by Mathias were autogenerated and had weird security schemes.
13:19:27 <cris_> mc: where are they located?
13:19:49 <cris_> ege: maybe under testfests
13:20:18 <cris_> mc: can you find them?
13:20:55 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
13:20:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:20:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/08-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:21:37 <cris_> cris: should I add also wot farm TDs? they are generated by node-wot
13:21:42 <cris_> mc: good question
13:22:15 <cris_> ege: yeah we discussed about grouping TDs by implementation not organization. But there were some resistance a while ago
13:23:11 <cris_> mc: I'll add a column keep track of the implementation
13:23:38 <cris_> farshid: why don't move this column first?
13:23:45 <cris_> ege: +1
13:24:00 <cris_> mc: we actually care about different implementation from different companies
13:24:11 <kaz> s/subtopic Pr 133/subtopic: PR 133/
13:24:13 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:24:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/08-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:25:38 <kaz> present+ Farshid_Tavakolizadeh
13:25:45 <cris_> mc: custom code/implementation need unique name
13:26:06 <cris_> mc: still think to collect more TDs as possible even from node-wot
13:26:19 <cris_> ... so please if you have them just add it to the repository
13:26:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:26:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/08-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:27:10 <kaz> i|we only have intel|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2021.06.Online/TD/TDs TDs so far|
13:27:14 <cris_> ege: some dubts about naming implementations, what if I use a tech in a slightly different way?
13:28:17 <kaz> i|can you find|(McCool look into the active.csv file then)|
13:28:29 <cris_> mc: if you do custom coding based on a technology use a different identifier, just be mindful (i.e. if two implemantations share a lot of code use one id)
13:28:54 <kaz> i|can you find|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2021.06.Online/TD/TDs/active.csv active.csv (which lists expected TDs from the group)|
13:29:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:29:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/08-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:29:38 <cris_> mc: geolocation is even more special, it is not an implementation
13:30:53 <cris_> farshid: sorry any concerns about the PRs?
13:31:12 <cris_> mc: can you add manual trigger?
13:31:31 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
13:31:39 <cris_> ... another stuff is to handle also TM
13:31:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:31:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/08-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:33:21 <cris_> seb: I have a question about DID testing
13:33:32 <kaz> q+
13:33:37 <cris_> ... how they will look like?
13:33:50 <cris_> s/they will/will they/
13:34:16 <cris_> farshid: I have set up a repo for testing
13:34:44 <cris_> seb: what self describing is?
13:35:09 <cris_> mc: just expose the thing
13:35:16 <cris_> mc: then we have introduction
13:35:23 <cris_> s/introductions/
13:35:36 <cris_> ... that include DNS-SD
13:36:29 <cris_> farshid: add  link smart
13:36:39 <cris_> cris: and webthings.io
13:36:46 <cris_> mc: then we have DID endpoints
13:36:55 <cris_> ... and finally CoRE RD
13:37:37 <cris_> ... need volontiers for DID
13:37:59 <cris_> ... I can do one implementation
13:38:12 <cris_> ... also CoRE RD
13:38:46 <cris_> kaz: regarding DIDs github is also a method
13:39:16 <cris_> ... also I have a question to farshid. Can you add one liner about what the action does
13:40:36 <cris_> farshid: a manual action is easier to set up but it takes a lot of time
13:41:01 <cris_> mc: it is not necessary to scan the entire repository
13:41:15 <cris_> ... maybe we can trigger manually only in one repository
13:41:49 <cris_> farshid: best way is to extract relevant parts and run it locally
13:42:01 <cris_> mc:ok back to introductions
13:42:08 <cris_> ... CoRE RD is important
13:42:21 <kaz> s/what the action does/what the validation action does (on the testfest page)?/
13:42:34 <cris_> cris: I can
13:43:15 <cris_> Philipp: I could, but I have more relevant work to do
13:43:47 <cris_> mc: one implementation is fine and commiting doing it
13:44:05 <cris_> ... by the end of the summer is good
13:44:38 <cris_> seb: I can do it but I need a little bit guidance
13:44:58 <kaz> s/page)?/page)? That would be part of the Testfest guideline, I think./
13:46:09 <cris_> cris: about DNS-SD should we have tests about discoverer side?
13:46:11 <cris_> mc: yes
13:46:30 <cris_> farshid: shouldn't we do the same for TDD
13:46:51 <cris_> mc: not really, it is fine to test just the api
13:48:09 <cris_> farshid: testing the discoverer is tricking we would mock everything
13:48:54 <cris_> mc: we should test the entire process
13:49:27 <cris_> toumura: we have also another discoverer
13:49:34 <cris_> ... my node-red implementation
13:49:45 <cris_> mc: anything else?
13:49:46 <dape> q+
13:49:53 <kaz> q-
13:50:09 <cris_> mc: please send your TDs
13:50:31 <cris_> ... it would be nice to have oauth tds
13:50:36 <kaz> q+
13:51:00 <cris_> ... any known gap to be worried?
13:51:14 <cris_> ... I would add oauth and body
13:51:33 <cris_> ... maybe TMs, but siemens has a lot of them
13:51:39 <cris_> ... we need a second implementation
13:51:58 <cris_> daniel: maybe the one from Vorto
13:52:53 <cris_> seb: I have to check, but we could ask Koster and Legally
13:53:22 <kaz> s/Legally/Lagally/
13:53:43 <cris_> farshid: are you looking for implementation about oauth? or what else?
13:54:08 <cris_> mc: we have to decide
13:54:21 <cris_> farshid: linksmart has implementation
13:54:45 <cris_> ... but it uses openID
13:55:25 <cris_> mc: we don't have a security schem for openID but we can describe it using oauth
13:56:35 <cris_> daniel: node-wot has some flows implemented
13:57:04 <cris_> farshid: there is also Node-RED
13:57:43 <cris_> mc: the second producer could be the second directory
13:58:06 <cris_> andrea: not sure my directory will have oauth
13:59:29 <cris_> mc: conolicalization it is cover by intel
13:59:40 <cris_> ... maybe the second one could the the directory
13:59:48 <kaz> s/conolicalization/canonicalization/
14:00:02 <cris_> ... signing still need to be finish but I am confident to close it soon
14:00:51 <cris_> seb: is it xml signature?
14:01:13 <cris_> mc: not actually it is inspired by it but it uses jws
14:01:56 <cris_> daniel: node wot could have canonicalization
14:02:12 <cris_> cris: +1
14:02:33 <cris_> mc: I would write a script and node-wot could use it as inspiration
14:03:12 <cris_> cris: node-wot has also the producer side
14:03:28 <cris_> s/producer/oauth producer/
14:03:41 <cris_> daniel: farshid's farshid action is working
14:03:54 <cris_> ... a bit tricky to understand why it failed but it is ok
14:04:25 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/135
14:05:29 <kaz> kaz: it would be better to consolidate the todo list on the GitHub side
14:05:41 <kaz> mm: let's do that next time
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