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17:47:43 <Zakim> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
17:47:52 <jeanne> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
17:47:53 <jeanne> present:
17:47:53 <jeanne> chair: Shawn, jeanne
17:47:53 <jeanne> present+
17:47:54 <jeanne> zakim, clear agenda
17:47:54 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
17:47:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/04-silver-minutes.html jeanne
17:47:54 <jeanne> q?
17:47:54 <Zakim> agenda cleared
17:51:10 <jeanne> agenda+ Update on May heartbeat draft
17:51:16 <jeanne> agenda+ Commenting on scripts for EO videos
17:51:16 <jeanne> agenda+ Plan for August heartbeat draft
17:51:16 <jeanne> agenda+ Moving to subgroup over W3C calendar app
17:51:17 <jeanne> agenda+ Meeting schedule discussion
17:52:38 <jeanne> zakim, agenda order is 1,2,4,5,3
17:52:38 <Zakim> ok, jeanne
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17:53:21 <sajkaj> agenda?
17:53:33 <sajkaj> present+
17:53:58 <ChrisLoiselle> present+
17:54:35 <ChrisLoiselle> Unable to scribe.
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17:57:59 <Lauriat> agenda?
17:58:18 <Lauriat> Present+
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18:00:56 <sajkaj> scribe: sajkaj
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18:02:51 <KimD> Present+
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18:02:56 <Rain> Present+
18:02:58 <jennifer> present+
18:03:00 <Chuck_> present+
18:03:07 <sajkaj> sl: Looks for update info
18:03:09 <Lauriat> Zakim, take up item 1
18:03:09 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Update on May heartbeat draft -- taken up [from jeanne]
18:03:22 <ToddLibby> present+
18:03:29 <sajkaj> Chuck_: Some valid concerns were raised and we've been working those issues out
18:03:47 <sajkaj> Chuck_: All -1 votes have changed to +1 and we are good as of the moment
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18:04:16 <sajkaj> jeanne: Questions?
18:04:18 <sajkaj> [crickets]
18:04:23 <Lauriat> Zakim, take up next item
18:04:23 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Commenting on scripts for EO videos -- taken up [from jeanne]
18:04:25 <sarahhorton> present+
18:04:44 <sajkaj> jeanne: Recalls was discussed briefly last week ...
18:05:16 <sajkaj> jeanne: This is a series of short videos from E&O about specific SC criteria, but are writing them in a way that will work for both 2.x and 3
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18:05:25 <AngelaAccessForAll> present+
18:05:28 <Lauriat> Survey link, I think I found it: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WCAGvideos_batch2thorough/
18:05:32 <sajkaj> jeanne: Comments requested on any script of particular interest
18:05:37 <sajkaj> jeanne: It'
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18:05:50 <sajkaj> It's not necessary to comment on all scripts
18:05:52 <Fazio> present+
18:05:59 <sajkaj> . You can pick and choose!
18:06:01 <JF> Present+
18:06:15 <sajkaj> . Survey closes 17 June, I believe
18:06:31 <ChrisLoiselle> due June 7th. Per Brent's email.
18:06:42 <sajkaj> s/17/7/
18:06:58 <Lauriat> Zakim, take up next item
18:06:58 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Moving to subgroup over W3C calendar app -- taken up [from jeanne]
18:07:15 <Jan_> Jan_ has joined #silver
18:07:29 <Chuck_> q+
18:07:31 <sajkaj> jeanne:  Apologies for overload from the calendar invite
18:07:42 <sajkaj> jeanne: Was my error with the new system
18:07:45 <Jan_> present+ Jan
18:07:54 <sajkaj> jeanne: Proposing to move all subgroup meetings to this calendar
18:08:21 <sajkaj> jeanne: Allows subgroup leaders to add and delete participants
18:08:43 <sajkaj> jeanne: Have some subgroups set up, but not all
18:08:57 <sajkaj> jeanne: If I'm not regularly in your subgroup, please email me with data!
18:09:04 <Lauriat> ack Chuck_
18:09:11 <SuzanneTaylor> present+
18:09:16 <sajkaj> Chuck_: Curious about user error?
18:09:45 <sajkaj> Chuck_: Is it very easy to get confused? Or is it just a learning issue?
18:09:56 <sajkaj> jeanne: Believe it will be easy and convenient once we learn to use it
18:10:02 <sajkaj> jeanne: I misinterpreted a field definition
18:10:25 <sajkaj> jeanne: i.e."End Field" is meeting end, not something else
18:10:53 <sajkaj> jeanne: But once meeting flagged out of draft, it's forwarded to the list
18:11:07 <sajkaj> jeanne: Don't set it to 'confirm' until you know you've got it right!
18:11:24 <sajkaj> jeanne: Requesting patience with newbie error!
18:11:34 <Chuck_> Thank you for doing the recon for us
18:11:35 <sajkaj> Lauriat: Sounds useful!
18:11:43 <Lauriat> Zakim, take up next item
18:11:43 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Meeting schedule discussion -- taken up [from jeanne]
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18:12:59 <sajkaj> jeanne: Notes Errors guideline didn't fair as well as hoped on AGWG call
18:13:25 <sajkaj> jeanne: Consequently, following discussion, we're going to try and get AGWG info about upcoming decision points earlier
18:13:57 <sajkaj> jeanne: So, trying to figure out what various subgroups want in August draft so it can be forwarded to AGWG well before we're trying to publish
18:14:10 <Chuck_> +1 to strategy
18:14:27 <sajkaj> jeanne: Does also mean we'll be meeting with AGWG weekly, at least through June, and probably through July
18:14:34 <sajkaj> jeanne: Is that OK? Any objections?
18:14:48 <sajkaj> jeanne: Do we also need to have Silver on Tuesday in addition?
18:15:01 <sajkaj> jeanne: Most interested in hearing from Makoto, so seems he's adjusted
18:15:13 <JF> +1 shawn
18:15:13 <sajkaj> Lauriat: Whatever we discuss can also be sent out
18:15:55 <sarahhorton> q+
18:16:07 <Lauriat> ack sarahhorton
18:16:37 <sajkaj> sarahhorton: Notes Errors presented to this group multiple times, and also to AGWG some weeks ago, ...
18:16:48 <sajkaj> sarahhorton: Absolutely believe in getting concepts out early
18:17:14 <sajkaj> sarahhorton: Not sure what will be enough given the experience this week
18:17:26 <Chuck_> q+
18:17:32 <sajkaj> sarahhorton: How do we get them invested in successful outcomes
18:17:41 <Lauriat> ack Chuck_
18:17:48 <sajkaj> Chuck_: Just brainstorming ...
18:18:04 <sajkaj> Chuck_: Individuals on both groups have expressed interested in migrating content
18:18:19 <sajkaj> Chuck_: Hoping more participants will be more familiarity and investment
18:18:47 <sajkaj> Chuck_: Additionally, believe Jeanne is formulating a proposal to AGWG based on a long standing AGWG process
18:18:54 <Lauriat> q+ to note the regularity on publishing, in hopes of reducing fears of missing August (or a particular draft) so we can also get used to iterating on the work as helpful
18:18:56 <sajkaj> Chuck_: So that may help
18:19:32 <jeanne> ack lau
18:19:32 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to note the regularity on publishing, in hopes of reducing fears of missing August (or a particular draft) so we can also get used to iterating on the work as
18:19:35 <Zakim> ... helpful
18:19:36 <sajkaj> Lauriat: Believe those will help ...
18:19:51 <sajkaj> Lauriat: Hopefully publishing regularly will also help
18:20:27 <Lauriat> ack me
18:20:28 <sajkaj> Lauriat: So, if some content piece misses a particular heartbeat, the next one will be soon, and therefore the opportunity to get it in sooner, not later
18:21:15 <sajkaj> Lauriat: Heartbeats should also give greater ease about including content, because it will be clearer all drafts can be changed
18:21:27 <jeanne> agenda?
18:22:12 <sajkaj> Lauriat: Recalls also the open question about changing Friday Silver telecon time? Or adding back the Tuesday Silver call?
18:22:16 <sajkaj> Lauriat: Thoughts?
18:22:16 <Chuck_> q+
18:22:25 <Lauriat> ack Chuck_
18:22:48 <sajkaj> Chuck_: I like reduced meetings, but have continued to join even the cancelled Tuesday call just in case
18:22:59 <sajkaj> Chuck_: Just incase someone shows up with something to discuss
18:23:39 <sajkaj> sajkaj: Like a Clubhouse room! :)
18:23:48 <sajkaj> [group rifs on Clubhouse]
18:23:52 <Lauriat> +1 to that idea
18:24:00 <Lauriat> (the meetings, not the clubhouse naming)
18:24:19 <sajkaj> jeanne: Hearing no objections ...
18:24:35 <sajkaj> jeanne: Tuesday call not deleted, but not formally expected at least through June and July
18:24:45 <sajkaj> jeanne: Friday call will continue
18:25:27 <sajkaj> jeanne: Please check public-silver@w3.org for AGWG agenda and WBS survey! It's important to the process
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18:26:11 <sajkaj> Lauriat: Suggest a quick email followup on our list
18:26:25 <sajkaj> Lauriat: Makes it clear and provides opportunity for any others to comment
18:26:25 <laura> present+ Laura_Carlson
18:26:29 <Lauriat> Zakim, take up next item
18:26:29 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Plan for August heartbeat draft -- taken up [from jeanne]
18:26:42 <KimD> +1 to Tuesday flexibility
18:26:54 <jeanne>      o Conformance Options wants a proposal on 3rd party content
18:26:54 <jeanne>       o probably more from Errors
18:26:54 <jeanne>       o Structured Content wants new material but need more participation
18:26:54 <jeanne>       o Accessibility for Children Community Group has restarted and
18:26:55 <jeanne>         will be working on user needs and identifying research gaps.
18:26:55 <jeanne>         This probably will not be part of the August heartbeat but is
18:26:55 <jeanne>         useful to get started.
18:26:58 <sajkaj> jeanne: Notes discussion last week ...
18:27:15 <sajkaj> jeanne: Conformance Options will have Third Party Content proposal
18:27:24 <sajkaj> jeanne: Errors expects to have more content ready
18:27:48 <sajkaj> jeanne: Accessibility for Children has restarted and will be working--but not August
18:28:49 <sajkaj> jeanne: Asks about Visual Contrast??
18:29:08 <sajkaj> ChrisLoiselle: Internal discussions for particular PRs, at the moment no additional
18:29:21 <SuzanneTaylor> q+
18:29:22 <sajkaj> ChrisLoiselle: Can't yet say for August
18:29:33 <sajkaj> jeanne: So the PRs are the key?
18:29:36 <sajkaj> ChrisLoiselle: Yes
18:30:07 <sajkaj> q+
18:30:18 <sajkaj> jeanne: So, we'll need to schedule AGWG time for that
18:30:36 <Lauriat> ack SuzanneTaylor
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18:30:56 <sajkaj> SuzanneTaylor: XR subgroup can try to have 2 methods for caption timing
18:31:14 <sajkaj> SuzanneTaylor: We can try to go through the process, currently revising the drafts to get more feedback
18:31:51 <sajkaj> jeanne: Any timeline?
18:31:54 <sajkaj> SuzanneTaylor: Not sure
18:32:04 <sajkaj> SuzanneTaylor: Trying to get consensus from group
18:32:17 <sajkaj> SuzanneTaylor: probably mid July
18:32:21 <sajkaj> jeanne: that would work
18:32:40 <sajkaj> jeanne: Goal is to have everything introduced and perhaps through the process by end July
18:32:51 <Lauriat> ack sajkaj
18:33:42 <Chuck_> Janina:  Question on contrast.  CSS flagged something for us.  Is there something we can pass on to CSS?
18:34:13 <Chuck_> Chris:  From point of conversing with W3C, there's been discussions between the need to bridge between the groups informally and would like to do that.
18:34:21 <Chuck_> Chris:  I haven't spoken to anybody specifically on that topic.
18:34:43 <Chuck_> Janina:  Let me know if there's a best write-up I can point CSS towards.  I'll make them aware.  I think they will be excited to see it.
18:34:55 <Chuck_> Chris:  Any email or thread please forward to me.
18:35:21 <Chuck_> Janina: But nothing in the form of draft yet?
18:35:24 <Chuck_> Chris:  No, not yet.
18:35:26 <Lauriat> qv?
18:36:09 <sajkaj> Lauriat: Other questions on heartbeat?
18:36:34 <sajkaj> jeanne: Other groups not yet reported? COGA input?
18:36:58 <sajkaj> Jan_: Just had a kickoff meeting to start work on help and links back to Content Usable
18:37:08 <sajkaj> jan Don't know whether it will be ready for August
18:37:11 <Rain> q+
18:37:14 <sajkaj> Jan_: Can touch base
18:37:19 <Lauriat> ack Rain
18:37:19 <sajkaj> jeanne: Glad to hear it's started
18:37:35 <sajkaj> Rain: Exactly, but also another subgroup looking at Clear Words
18:37:59 <sajkaj> jeanne: Would be most helpful, thanks
18:37:59 <Fazio> John Rochford EA Draffan are very active on clear words
18:38:19 <sajkaj> Jan_: That's our only new guideline which isn't a migration from 2.x so far
18:38:40 <Lauriat> q?
18:38:40 <Fazio> we just discussed it yesterday
18:40:20 <sajkaj> Fazio: Maturity Model -- will be presenting to AGWG soon, and will be meeting next Friday to preview --
18:40:29 <sajkaj> jeanne: Would you like to present next Friday here?
18:40:35 <sajkaj> Fazio: Possibly
18:40:41 <sajkaj> Fazio: Will run it by the group
18:41:17 <sajkaj> jeanne: There's time next week
18:41:21 <sajkaj> Fazio: Will advise
18:41:46 <sajkaj> jeanne: Please keep Shawn and me in the loop; and please advise when ready to present
18:41:59 <sajkaj> jeanne: Usually need a few weeks warning to get calendered onto AGWG agenda
18:42:26 <jeanne> agenda?
18:43:03 <sajkaj> Lauriat: I will update via email on list re upcoming meetings schedule
18:43:11 <sajkaj> Lauriat: Bye to all!
18:43:14 <sajkaj> zakim, bye
18:43:14 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jeanne, sajkaj, ChrisLoiselle, Lauriat, KimD, Rain, jennifer, Chuck_, ToddLibby, Francis_Storr, sarahhorton, AngelaAccessForAll,
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