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14:55:37 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
14:55:38 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pchampin
14:56:10 <pchampin> meeting: RDF-star
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15:00:04 <pchampin> chair: pchampin
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15:00:18 <pchampin> date: 4 June 2021
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15:00:53 <pchampin> Previous meeting: https://w3c.github.io/rdf-star/Minutes/2021-05-28.html
15:01:04 <pchampin> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star/2021Jun/0002.html
15:01:04 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:01:04 <agendabot> agenda+ Announcements and newcomers
15:01:04 <agendabot> agenda+ Open actions
15:01:04 <agendabot> agenda+ Outstanding pull-requests
15:01:04 <agendabot> agenda+ Publishing a new report
15:01:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Admin
15:01:09 <agendabot> agenda+ Open-ended discussions
15:01:13 <ora> present+
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15:02:01 <pchampin> present+
15:02:13 <thomas> thomas+
15:02:35 <thomas> present+
15:02:41 <AndyS> present+
15:02:47 <TallTed> present
15:02:54 <TallTed> present+
15:04:07 <gkellogg> present+
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15:04:49 <AndyS> I'll scribe
15:04:54 <AndyS> scribe: AndyS
15:05:01 <pchampin> zakim, next agendum
15:05:01 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements and newcomers -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:05:13 <pchampin> q?
15:05:47 <gkellogg> q+
15:05:48 <ora> q+
15:05:49 <AndyS> pchampin: rust implementation in progress
15:05:52 <pchampin> ack gkellogg
15:06:25 <AndyS> gkellogg: Regenerate EARL tests?
15:06:32 <AndyS> q+
15:06:37 <pchampin> ack ora
15:06:51 <AndyS> pchampin: wait until next publication
15:07:09 <AndyS> ora: Any C++ implementation?
15:07:30 <AndyS> ... and state of Redland?
15:07:45 <gatemezing> I'm not aware of any implementation in C++ nor Redland
15:08:16 <pchampin> ack AndyS
15:08:27 <pchampin> scribe+
15:08:50 <gatemezing> present+
15:08:57 <pchampin> AndyS: when we publish next time, maybe we should have a vote saying the test suite is complete
15:09:18 <pchampin> scribe-
15:09:19 <pchampin> q?
15:09:34 <pchampin> zakim, next agendum
15:09:34 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Open actions -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:09:44 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Aaction
15:10:25 <AndyS> pchampin: chart action open.
15:10:51 <pchampin> q?
15:10:54 <pchampin> s/chart/charter/
15:11:00 <AndyS> ... SPARQl function/operators action merged
15:11:05 <pchampin> zakim, next agendabot
15:11:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next agendabot', pchampin
15:11:07 <pchampin> zakim, next agendum
15:11:07 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Outstanding pull-requests -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:11:11 <AndyS> s/SPARQl/SPARQL/
15:11:34 <pchampin> subtopic: Discussion on referential opacity <https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/pull/173>
15:12:22 <thomas> i commented today
15:12:34 <thomas> sorry, i was late
15:13:34 <AndyS> thomas: suggestion to add section 2.2 that covers transparent vs opaque.
15:14:46 <AndyS> pchampin: section is focused on the abstract syntax.
15:15:19 <AndyS> ... so discussion is with "semantics".
15:16:59 <AndyS> thomas: not visible enough
15:17:45 <gkellogg> q+
15:18:16 <AndyS> pchampin: This PR is about "transparent vs opaque" in dedicated sections.
15:19:12 <AndyS> ... can we merge this PR?
15:20:27 <pchampin> q?
15:20:33 <pchampin> ack gkellogg
15:21:44 <AndyS> gkellogg: this is an abstract issue and may, in a WG, be rolled into RDF semantics and entailments.
15:22:16 <AndyS> ... so maybe guidance to a future WG on updating RDF.
15:23:14 <pchampin> q.
15:23:15 <pchampin> q?
15:23:31 <pchampin> PROPOSAL: merge PR173
15:23:34 <gkellogg> +1
15:23:35 <pchampin> +1
15:23:35 <AndyS> pchampin: propose to merge #173.
15:23:40 <AndyS> +1
15:23:40 <ora> +1
15:23:41 <thomas> +1
15:23:53 <gatemezing> +1
15:23:59 <TallTed> +1
15:24:14 <pchampin> RESOLVED: merge PR173
15:24:42 <pchampin> Subtopic: Section on RDF-star vocabulary <https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/pull/176>
15:25:19 <AndyS> pchampin: some placeholders for discussion.
15:25:23 <thomas> q+
15:25:29 <pchampin> ack thomas
15:25:59 <AndyS> thomas: misses transparency vocabulary - there is an issue.
15:26:13 <thomas> 170
15:26:22 <AndyS> ... issue #170
15:26:29 <gkellogg> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/issues/170
15:27:19 <pchampin> ACTION pchampin to add issue 170 in the section of PR173
15:27:34 <pchampin> ACTION: pchampin to add issue 170 in the section of PR173
15:27:37 <thomas> q+
15:28:32 <AndyS> thomas: add syntax for transparency?
15:28:40 <pchampin> q?
15:28:45 <AndyS> pchampin: does not define vocabulary.
15:28:49 <pchampin> ack thomas
15:29:23 <pchampin> PROPOSAL: merge PR173 after issue 170 has been added to it
15:29:25 <gkellogg> +1
15:29:27 <AndyS> +1
15:29:28 <pchampin> +1
15:29:28 <TallTed> +1
15:29:29 <thomas> +1
15:29:31 <gatemezing> +1
15:29:51 <ora> +1
15:30:03 <pchampin> RESOLVED: merge PR173 after issue 170 has been added to it
15:30:29 <pchampin> Subtopic: Discussion of TR 'Content Negotiation by Profile' <https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/pull/177>
15:32:20 <pchampin> q?
15:33:01 <AndyS> TallTed: "x." not appropriate
15:33:46 <AndyS> q+
15:34:01 <pchampin> q+
15:34:05 <pchampin> ack AndyS
15:34:07 <pchampin> scribe+
15:34:39 <pchampin> AndyS: IANA registration is slow, but updating an existing registration can be quicker
15:36:12 <pchampin> TallTed: there is a combination of facts here, including the fact that text/turtle *currently* does not point to the correct document
15:36:26 <pchampin> scribe-
15:36:29 <pchampin> ack pchampin
15:37:06 <AndyS> pchampin: the correct text is to leave it as "x."
15:37:17 <AndyS> ... "x-" is not a subtree
15:37:21 <gkellogg> q+
15:37:28 <TallTed> s/"x." not appropriate/neither "x." nor "x-" is appropriate/
15:38:29 <AndyS> pchampin: the point of the section is to note there is not consensus in this group.
15:38:40 <gatemezing> +1 of pchampin solution of not explicitly mentioning the x. or x-
15:39:16 <AndyS> pchampin: suggest remove mention of "x?"
15:39:28 <pchampin> STRAWPOLL: do not mention either 'x.' or 'x-'
15:39:31 <AndyS> +1
15:39:32 <pchampin> +1
15:39:35 <thomas> 0
15:39:36 <gkellogg> +1
15:39:40 <TallTed> +1
15:39:46 <gatemezing> +1
15:40:02 <ora> +1
15:40:19 <pchampin> ack gkellogg
15:40:35 <gkellogg> https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/n-triples
15:41:01 <AndyS> gkellogg: what is necessary for other media type - eg: n-triples: -> TR/n-triples
15:41:25 <AndyS> ... then no IANA involvement needed
15:41:29 <TallTed> Linking from the CGReport to the relevant Issues and/or PRs could keep some of the discussion text out of the report, and make it easier for follow-on work to see how we reached the conclusion(s) in the CGReport
15:43:11 <pchampin> scribe+
15:43:22 <pchampin> AndyS: Turtle was registered before it was a REC
15:43:28 <pchampin> ... it is a special case
15:44:20 <TallTed> We might suggest to the IANA-listed W3 affiliated maintainers of these media types that their registrations be changed to point to w3id.org URIs which *should* be easier to update going forward, with more maintainers, etc.
15:44:25 <AndyS> pchampin: bring the "one person" contact issue to W3C team.
15:45:05 <pchampin> ACTION: pchampin to raise the IANA issue (specific individual responsible for mediatype) in W3C stategy team
15:45:11 <TallTed> (or that the IANA-listed maintainers be changed to point to role accounts/addresses)
15:45:45 <gkellogg> Name: Eric Prud'hommeaux
15:45:45 <gkellogg> Email: eric&w3.org
15:45:50 <pchampin> q?
15:46:49 <pchampin> PROPOSED: merge PR 177 once the 'x.'/'x-' mentions have been removed
15:46:53 <pchampin> +1
15:46:55 <gkellogg> +1
15:47:09 <gatemezing> +1
15:47:10 <ora> +1
15:47:48 <AndyS> TallTed: suggestion - link to discussions
15:47:52 <thomas> 0
15:48:45 <AndyS> ... add links to places location for discussions
15:48:48 <AndyS> q+
15:48:57 <pchampin> ack AndyS
15:50:36 <AndyS> AndyS: discussions tend to be in context
15:50:54 <pchampin> q+
15:51:05 <AndyS> kellogg: discussions exist on github.
15:51:14 <pchampin> ack pchampin
15:51:20 <AndyS> s/kellogg/gkellogg/
15:51:59 <TallTed> +0.75
15:52:06 <AndyS> pchampin: The section has a link to issue 43.
15:53:03 <AndyS> ... and telecon discussions noted on issues
15:53:46 <AndyS> +1
15:54:10 <ora> +1 on Andy's comment
15:54:15 <pchampin> RESOLVED: merge PR 177 once the 'x.'/'x-' mentions have been removed
15:56:15 <pchampin> zakim, next agendum
15:56:15 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Publishing a new report -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:56:44 <AndyS> pchampin: ted and thomas wish to make proposals.
15:57:00 <AndyS> TallTed: not a blocker for me.
15:57:10 <AndyS> thomas: not a blocker for me.
15:57:35 <AndyS> s/thomas: not a blocker for me.//
15:58:26 <AndyS> pchampin: only choices in W3C process are "draft" and "final"
15:59:05 <AndyS> ... will add to infro/abstract explaining "final" does not mean no further publication
15:59:19 <AndyS> s/infro/intro/
16:01:40 <AndyS> pchampin: proposal - we make a decision next week on publication of a "non draft" report.
16:02:37 <AndyS> thomas: my proposal by Wednesday
16:02:39 <ora> Bye!
16:03:00 <AndyS> zakim, end meeting
16:03:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ora, pchampin, thomas, AndyS, TallTed, gkellogg, gatemezing
16:03:02 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:03:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/04-rdf-star-minutes.html Zakim
16:03:05 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, AndyS; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:03:16 <AndyS> rrsagent, excuse us
16:03:16 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2021/06/04-rdf-star-actions.rdf :
16:03:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pchampin to add issue 170 in the section of PR173 [1]
16:03:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/06/04-rdf-star-irc#T15-27-34
16:03:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pchampin to raise the IANA issue (specific individual responsible for mediatype) in W3C stategy team [2]
16:03:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/06/04-rdf-star-irc#T15-45-05