16:52:05 RRSAgent has joined #aria 16:52:05 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/06/03-aria-irc 16:52:09 RRSAgent, make logs Public 16:52:10 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn 16:54:05 agenda+ [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/3ic5ZBJ) 16:54:05 agenda+ [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/3g3A6IO) 16:54:05 agenda+ [Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/3uJLeQn) 16:54:05 agenda+ Summer Schedule? 16:54:05 agenda+ [2C "where the user can adjust the embedded control's value" is misleading](https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/106) 16:54:06 agenda+ [Trim whitespace from computed accessible name/description](https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/95) 16:54:06 agenda+ [Update to Condition for step 2C](https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/90) 16:54:06 agenda+ [Support aria-description](https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/69) 16:54:06 agenda+ [When is hidden content taken into calculation of name and description?](https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/57) 16:54:07 agenda+ [Problematic mappings for without href](https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/333) 16:54:07 agenda+ [Mappings for body and html don't seem to match reality](https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/330) 16:54:07 agenda+ [Attribute with natural language but no language metadata](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1365) 17:01:56 present+ 17:02:14 regrets+ PeterKrautzberger 17:02:22 regrets+ CurtBellew 17:02:29 msumner has joined #aria 17:03:19 sarah_higley has joined #aria 17:04:06 present+ 17:05:45 present+ 17:05:48 scribe: joryc 17:05:52 JG has joined #aria 17:06:05 zakim, next item 17:06:05 agendum 1 -- [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/3ic5ZBJ) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:06:35 Triage: https://github.com/search?l=&q=is:open+is:issue+repo:w3c/aria+created:%3E%3D2021-05-27+repo:w3c/aria+repo:w3c/accname+repo:w3c/core-aam&type=Issues 17:06:39 siri has joined #aria 17:07:15 Issue #1493 set for 1.3 17:08:27 Joanie will be assigned 17:08:39 zakim, next item 17:08:39 agendum 2 -- [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/3g3A6IO) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:11:09 jamesn: Issue 1494 may need wider discussion 17:11:30 present+ Joanmarie_Diggs 17:12:05 present+ 17:13:00 jamesn: we need to identify ways to tackle, 1) Add to prohibited roles 2) Change inheritance model 3) Add a normative statement (current PR approach) 17:13:34 jamesn: requests that people comment in 1494 to indicate their preferred direction 17:14:20 jamesn: will create a comment for each proposal to be voted upon 17:14:21 zakim, next item 17:14:21 agendum 3 -- [Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/3uJLeQn) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:15:16 No deep dive next week 17:15:18 zakim, next item 17:15:18 agendum 3 was just opened, Jory 17:15:34 zakim, close this item 17:15:34 agendum 3 closed 17:15:35 I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:15:35 4. Summer Schedule? [from jamesn] 17:15:39 zakim, next item 17:15:39 agendum 4 -- Summer Schedule? -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:16:03 jamesn: will be out for parts of the summer 17:17:31 zakim, next item 17:17:31 agendum 5 -- [2C "where the user can adjust the embedded control's value" is misleading](https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/106) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:18:44 msumner: wanted to get clarification, should the value be used instead of label 17:19:29 msumner: should we remove ability to adjust embedded control value or add a note to except readonly 17:20:07 jamesn: unless this list is not exhaustive, why do we need a change 17:21:25 jcraig: there are examples where there is a list of radios where an option needs a secondary input, e.g. a quantity 17:21:54 jamesn: feels that use is covered 17:23:57 jamesn: votes we drop it, joanie agrees 17:24:04 jcraig: I agree 17:24:47 joanie: instead of dropping should we come up with a phrase that means has value 17:25:57 msumner: will open a PR 17:26:03 zakim, next item 17:26:03 agendum 6 -- [Trim whitespace from computed accessible name/description](https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/95) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:26:59 msumner: thinks we should trim whitespace, there are quirks where not doing that breaks stuff. In FF spaces in options have caused an issue 17:27:31 jamesn: do we mean at the end of the calculation or during it? 17:27:45 msumner: what to implementers think? 17:28:27 sarah_higley: would advocate for at the end 17:29:09 jcraig: there was some discussion about collapsing multiple whitespace.. is this trimming at the end or ANY whitespace? 17:29:55 jcraig: we need to be careful about inadvertently adding whitespace that the author did not intend 17:31:13 joanie: thinks the example of starting and ending with a space is sub-optimal authoring, but we should not trim 17:31:36 msumner: the spaces may be unintentional, e.g. a side-effect of a CMS 17:33:21 jamesn: there are 9 open acc name whitespace issues, this would be the 10th 17:33:45 msumner: will look at this set of issues and categorize them 17:34:24 zakim, next item 17:34:24 agendum 7 -- [Update to Condition for step 2C](https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/90) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:36:00 action: MichaelC to review why PR previews not working 17:36:08 Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail with details about what happened. 17:36:47 jamesn: purpose of this unclear 17:37:18 action: Aaron Leventhal to review #90 17:37:26 Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail with details about what happened. 17:39:45 joanie: will take a look too 17:40:34 zakim, next item 17:40:34 agendum 8 -- [Support aria-description](https://github.com/w3c/accname/pull/69) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:41:07 jamesn: this will need to be a 1.3 branch 17:41:58 msumner: wants to confirm that this is the approach we want to take before moving forward 17:43:25 siri: why can this be on any element? 17:43:46 Aaron: the thought was that it could be useful on anything and we want parity with describedby 17:44:20 jamesn: we've merged HTML AAM into acc name 17:44:50 Aaron: yes because its useful to me as a consumer for browser implementation, I think this is more practical 17:47:04 Aaron: I'd put that in too, tables are easier than prose 17:47:35 jamesn: if we do this we need to do it for name as well, not just description 17:48:29 joanie: do we own SVG AAM? 17:49:42 MichaelC: We can talk to SVG group, they may be open to handing it over 17:50:07 jamesm: msumner may need to coordinate with Scott and Steve 17:51:43 msumner: I may need to do a PR because some steps have been rearranged 17:52:36 zakim, next item 17:52:36 agendum 9 -- [When is hidden content taken into calculation of name and description?](https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/57) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:53:05 https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/57#issuecomment-843282332 17:53:27 jamesn: please take a look at this comment 17:53:49 agenda? 17:55:41 regrets+ MarkMcCarthy 17:56:35 https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/57#issuecomment-843173057 17:56:36 joanie: we need to decide how the spec interprests author intent where there are hidden descendants of an element targeted by a labelledby idref 17:59:19 jcraig: I think that the child span if hidden, should not be included for fear of inadvertently exposing too much content in the case of massive author error 18:01:39 jamesn: please comment on this issue 18:01:57 zakim, who is on the call? 18:01:57 Present: jamesn, MichaelC, msumner, Joanmarie_Diggs, siri 18:02:06 present+ 18:02:51 present+ Jaunita 18:02:56 present+ Aaron 18:03:12 present+ JamesCraig 18:04:09 rrsagent, make minutes 18:04:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/03-aria-minutes.html Jory 18:04:38 meeting: ARIA WG 18:04:41 chair: JamesNurthen 18:04:51 rrsagent, make minutes 18:04:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/03-aria-minutes.html jamesn 19:17:33 Jory has joined #aria