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11:47:31 <angel> zakim, agenda?
11:47:31 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
11:47:43 <angel> Meeting: MiniApp WG Monthly Call
11:47:45 <angel> Chair: Angel
11:47:59 <angel> agenda+ Status review of existing deliverables (against FPWD/CR plan)
11:48:16 <angel> agenda+Publication process
11:48:24 <angel> agenda+ Issues & PR discussion
11:48:44 <angel> agenda+ AoB
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11:55:51 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps Working Group Monthly Meeting
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11:59:12 <angel> present+ Angel
11:59:16 <angel> present+ An Qing
12:00:10 <angel> zakim, take up agenda 1
12:00:10 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Status review of existing deliverables (against FPWD/CR plan) -- taken up [from angel]
12:00:29 <xiaoqian> present+
12:00:39 <xfq> present+ Kjos
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12:00:48 <xfq> present+ zhoudan
12:00:53 <xiaoqian> present+ martin, zitao
12:01:12 <tomayac> present+ tomayac
12:01:30 <xiaoqian> present+ Wenli, Zhoubingqing
12:01:40 <xiaoqian> present+ Julien
12:02:00 <xfq> angel: @@
12:02:06 <xiaoqian> present+ Manvi
12:02:35 <xfq> yongjing: for manifest
12:02:42 <xfq> ...  i think there's still the i18n issue
12:02:47 <xiaoqian> s/@@/any progress on the MiniApp Manifest? It was published as FPWD
12:03:22 <xfq> ... think huawei will propose some content for i18n
12:03:27 <xfq> angel: time table?
12:03:54 <xfq> yongjing: ideally we would like to address the issue by the end of next month
12:04:03 <xfq> zitao: for i18n
12:04:24 <xfq> ... previous discussions we should align with WAM
12:04:30 <xfq> ... if they have a solution
12:04:36 <xfq> ... we should double check with them
12:05:13 <xfq> angel: anything else?
12:05:35 <xfq> zitao: looking for issues in CG
12:05:42 <xfq> ... about TV and IoT
12:05:45 <angel> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues
12:05:54 <xfq> ... whether we need to add members for them
12:06:08 <xfq> ... i'd like to prepare some PRs and discuss with you
12:06:20 <xfq> angel: do you think we can start review the PRs in the next meeting?
12:06:22 <martin> Current discussion of i18n in the Web Application manifest WG: https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/676
12:06:23 <xfq> zitao: yes
12:06:31 <xfq> angel: lifecycle
12:06:40 <xfq> qing: made a PR
12:07:42 <angel> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/pull/9
12:09:32 <xfq> [qing goes through the PR]
12:12:32 <xfq> qing: hope to get consensus for fpwd
12:12:52 <xfq> angel: let's hear if there's any comments or questions
12:12:59 <xfq> ... maybe people need some time
12:13:51 <xfq> ... any objection on merging the PR?
12:13:55 <xfq> [silence]
12:14:13 <xfq> angel: we will merge this pr, and send a two-week cfc for fpwd
12:14:24 <xfq> ... any comments or questions on lifecycle?
12:14:36 <xfq> ... let's move to packaging
12:15:01 <angel> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/pull/24
12:15:04 <xfq> yongjing: two PRs
12:15:57 <xfq> ... media types
12:16:02 <xfq> ... major changes @@
12:19:11 <xfq> angel: not sure about the wording
12:19:25 <xfq> ... "intend to"
12:19:59 <xfq> yongjing: will remove it as the spec moves forward
12:20:19 <xfq> angel: any other comments?
12:20:22 <angel> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/pull/23
12:21:31 <xfq> angel: security and signature
12:21:33 <xfq> yongjing: @@
12:22:03 <xfq> martin: @@
12:22:30 <xfq> [yongjing goes through the changes in the pr]
12:23:58 <xfq> angel: do you think you need more time or we can merge it now?
12:24:07 <xfq> yongjing: i think we can merge it now
12:24:18 <xfq> ... there were some reviews
12:24:21 <xfq> ... seems OK
12:24:26 <xfq> ... not technical change
12:24:29 <xfq> ... just for readibility
12:24:41 <xfq> angel: any objections on merging?
12:24:48 <xfq> [silence]
12:25:50 <angel> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/8
12:27:33 <martin> s/yongjing: @@/yongjing: The figure with an example of digital signatures were moved to the annex. From a normative section to the informative annex.
12:30:14 <martin> s/martin: @@/martin: The figure was in section 6 (Security), it's better in the annex.
12:30:35 <xiaoqian> xfq: the current spec says "default orientation", what's the definition for this?
12:30:44 <xiaoqian> ... it also defers from Yongjing's reply
12:31:06 <xiaoqian> QingAn: also agree we should align with web app manifest
12:31:54 <xiaoqian> resolved: let's make it align with WebApp Manifest, and close this issue
12:32:22 <angel> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/19
12:32:57 <xiaoqian> angel: another issue, opened 1 month ago, about sub-package
12:33:13 <xiaoqian> xfq: wonder if we should specify this in the Manifest spec
12:33:35 <xiaoqian> yongjing: yes, this is a useful feature, we should specify it
12:33:55 <xiaoqian> ... in my previous PR, we should discuss it in the current stage
12:34:13 <xiaoqian> ... in the packaging spec, need a sub section for sub-package
12:34:25 <xiaoqian> xfq: yep, also in the Manifest spec
12:34:36 <xiaoqian> yongjing: yes, need some work
12:34:43 <xiaoqian> ... maybe not be easy
12:34:54 <xiaoqian> xfq: L1 feature? or defer it?
12:35:12 <xiaoqian> yongjing: depends on the willingness of the group
12:35:39 <xiaoqian> scribe+ xiaoqian
12:36:04 <xiaoqian> QingAn: very interesting topic
12:36:29 <xiaoqian> ... we need to look into the scope of this issue, it maybe bigger than what's describe in the issue
12:36:47 <xiaoqian> ... relevant to download, a few other use cases
12:37:31 <xiaoqian> ... whether it has an independent render
12:37:54 <xiaoqian> ... which part of the mini app page can be rendered first
12:38:35 <xiaoqian> ... extending the Manifest spec may not be enough
12:38:40 <xiaoqian> ... let's keep the discussion open
12:39:03 <xiaoqian> xfq: an even more advanced feature
12:39:39 <xiaoqian> angel: shall we have a special meeting item for this? or GitHub discussion first
12:40:04 <xiaoqian> QingAn: yes, let's discuss in the GitHub issue first
12:40:20 <xiaoqian> ... make it an issue for both Manifest and Packaging
12:41:14 <xiaoqian> yongjing: sure, we will be happy to work on this
12:41:54 <xiaoqian> topic: WG Note -- Addressing
12:42:25 <xiaoqian> Dan: I plan to submit a PR, before the next meeting
12:42:50 <xiaoqian> topic: WG Note -- Widget
12:43:06 <xiaoqian> angel: any update?
12:43:11 <xiaoqian> [silence]
12:43:16 <xiaoqian> q+
12:43:26 <xfq> ack xiaoqian
12:43:36 <xfq> xiaoqian: some questions about the white paper
12:43:39 <martin> q+
12:43:51 <xfq> ... the white paper was published by the chinese ig
12:43:59 <xfq> ... i wonder the wg would like to work on it
12:44:13 <xfq> angel: it makes sense to transfer the white paper to the cg
12:44:47 <xfq> xiaoqian: we can't publish /tr in the cg
12:44:56 <xfq> angel: but it's not in the wg charter
12:45:15 <xfq> xfq: i think the wg can publish non-normative specs
12:45:23 <xfq> s/specs/documents/
12:45:40 <xfq> angel: let's try to review it next time
12:45:46 <xfq> q+
12:45:58 <angel> ack martin
12:46:07 <xfq> martin: re packaging
12:46:31 <xfq> ... expect it to be published as fpwd in q2
12:46:35 <xfq> ... time is tight
12:46:46 <xfq> ... we need to decide the file structure
12:46:55 <xfq> ... this is really important
12:47:03 <xfq> ... style, template
12:47:14 <xfq> ... something we need to define
12:47:26 <xfq> ... need to decide as soon as possible
12:47:36 <xfq> ... syntax supported by the stylesheet
12:47:41 <xfq> ... what CSS modules
12:48:10 <xfq> ... xml template
12:48:19 <xfq> ... related to ui comoponents
12:48:31 <xfq> ... we need to define how to define components first
12:48:56 <xfq> ... we can continut discussing in github
12:49:02 <xfq> angel: thank you, martin
12:49:31 <xfq> q-
12:49:41 <angel> q?
12:49:59 <angel> zakim, close this agenda
12:49:59 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
12:50:01 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:50:01 <Zakim> 2. Publication process [from angel]
12:50:08 <angel> zakim, take up agenda 2
12:50:08 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Publication process -- taken up [from angel]
12:51:27 <xiaoqian> xfq: [explain the lifecycle of the W3C publication]
12:53:29 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/echidna
12:54:51 <xfq> WebPerfWG -> https://w3c.github.io/web-performance/meetings/2021/2021-04-01/index.html
12:54:52 <xfq> WebDriver -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-browser-tools-testing/2015JulSep/0009.html
12:54:52 <xfq> WebAppSec -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webappsec/2015Mar/0170.html
12:54:52 <xfq> WebRTC -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webrtc/2016Mar/0031.html
12:54:59 <xiaoqian> xfq: I'd like the group to make a decision, wether to publish with echidna or GitHub action to publish WDs?
12:55:55 <xiaoqian> s/wether to publish with echidna or GitHub action to publish WDs?/can we publish with echidna? also can we use GitHub action to publish WDs?
12:59:56 <xiaoqian> angel: I'd like to suggest we explore both option
13:00:12 <xiaoqian> ... next meeting: 26 June
13:00:28 <xiaoqian> s/26 June/24 June
13:00:46 <xiaoqian> [adjourned]
13:00:50 <xiaoqian> RRSAgent, make minutes
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13:03:39 <martin> Thanks! Undertood, I used it locally before
13:04:03 <martin> I agree it's better using that tool
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