IRC log of miniapp on 2021-05-27

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11:47:31 [angel]
zakim, agenda?
11:47:31 [Zakim]
I see nothing on the agenda
11:47:43 [angel]
Meeting: MiniApp WG Monthly Call
11:47:45 [angel]
Chair: Angel
11:47:59 [angel]
agenda+ Status review of existing deliverables (against FPWD/CR plan)
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agenda+Publication process
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agenda+ Issues & PR discussion
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agenda+ AoB
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Meeting: MiniApps Working Group Monthly Meeting
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present+
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regrets: ming
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11:59:12 [angel]
present+ Angel
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present+ An Qing
12:00:10 [angel]
zakim, take up agenda 1
12:00:10 [Zakim]
agendum 1 -- Status review of existing deliverables (against FPWD/CR plan) -- taken up [from angel]
12:00:29 [xiaoqian]
present+
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present+ Kjos
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present+ zhoudan
12:00:53 [xiaoqian]
present+ martin, zitao
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present+ tomayac
12:01:30 [xiaoqian]
present+ Wenli, Zhoubingqing
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present+ Julien
12:02:00 [xfq]
angel: @@
12:02:06 [xiaoqian]
present+ Manvi
12:02:35 [xfq]
yongjing: for manifest
12:02:42 [xfq]
... i think there's still the i18n issue
12:02:47 [xiaoqian]
s/@@/any progress on the MiniApp Manifest? It was published as FPWD
12:03:22 [xfq]
... think huawei will propose some content for i18n
12:03:27 [xfq]
angel: time table?
12:03:54 [xfq]
yongjing: ideally we would like to address the issue by the end of next month
12:04:03 [xfq]
zitao: for i18n
12:04:24 [xfq]
... previous discussions we should align with WAM
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... if they have a solution
12:04:36 [xfq]
... we should double check with them
12:05:13 [xfq]
angel: anything else?
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zitao: looking for issues in CG
12:05:42 [xfq]
... about TV and IoT
12:05:45 [angel]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues
12:05:54 [xfq]
... whether we need to add members for them
12:06:08 [xfq]
... i'd like to prepare some PRs and discuss with you
12:06:20 [xfq]
angel: do you think we can start review the PRs in the next meeting?
12:06:22 [martin]
Current discussion of i18n in the Web Application manifest WG: https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/676
12:06:23 [xfq]
zitao: yes
12:06:31 [xfq]
angel: lifecycle
12:06:40 [xfq]
qing: made a PR
12:07:42 [angel]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/pull/9
12:09:32 [xfq]
[qing goes through the PR]
12:12:32 [xfq]
qing: hope to get consensus for fpwd
12:12:52 [xfq]
angel: let's hear if there's any comments or questions
12:12:59 [xfq]
... maybe people need some time
12:13:51 [xfq]
... any objection on merging the PR?
12:13:55 [xfq]
[silence]
12:14:13 [xfq]
angel: we will merge this pr, and send a two-week cfc for fpwd
12:14:24 [xfq]
... any comments or questions on lifecycle?
12:14:36 [xfq]
... let's move to packaging
12:15:01 [angel]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/pull/24
12:15:04 [xfq]
yongjing: two PRs
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... media types
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... major changes @@
12:19:11 [xfq]
angel: not sure about the wording
12:19:25 [xfq]
... "intend to"
12:19:59 [xfq]
yongjing: will remove it as the spec moves forward
12:20:19 [xfq]
angel: any other comments?
12:20:22 [angel]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/pull/23
12:21:31 [xfq]
angel: security and signature
12:21:33 [xfq]
yongjing: @@
12:22:03 [xfq]
martin: @@
12:22:30 [xfq]
[yongjing goes through the changes in the pr]
12:23:58 [xfq]
angel: do you think you need more time or we can merge it now?
12:24:07 [xfq]
yongjing: i think we can merge it now
12:24:18 [xfq]
... there were some reviews
12:24:21 [xfq]
... seems OK
12:24:26 [xfq]
... not technical change
12:24:29 [xfq]
... just for readibility
12:24:41 [xfq]
angel: any objections on merging?
12:24:48 [xfq]
[silence]
12:25:50 [angel]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/8
12:27:33 [martin]
s/yongjing: @@/yongjing: The figure with an example of digital signatures were moved to the annex. From a normative section to the informative annex.
12:30:14 [martin]
s/martin: @@/martin: The figure was in section 6 (Security), it's better in the annex.
12:30:35 [xiaoqian]
xfq: the current spec says "default orientation", what's the definition for this?
12:30:44 [xiaoqian]
... it also defers from Yongjing's reply
12:31:06 [xiaoqian]
QingAn: also agree we should align with web app manifest
12:31:54 [xiaoqian]
resolved: let's make it align with WebApp Manifest, and close this issue
12:32:22 [angel]
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/19
12:32:57 [xiaoqian]
angel: another issue, opened 1 month ago, about sub-package
12:33:13 [xiaoqian]
xfq: wonder if we should specify this in the Manifest spec
12:33:35 [xiaoqian]
yongjing: yes, this is a useful feature, we should specify it
12:33:55 [xiaoqian]
... in my previous PR, we should discuss it in the current stage
12:34:13 [xiaoqian]
... in the packaging spec, need a sub section for sub-package
12:34:25 [xiaoqian]
xfq: yep, also in the Manifest spec
12:34:36 [xiaoqian]
yongjing: yes, need some work
12:34:43 [xiaoqian]
... maybe not be easy
12:34:54 [xiaoqian]
xfq: L1 feature? or defer it?
12:35:12 [xiaoqian]
yongjing: depends on the willingness of the group
12:35:39 [xiaoqian]
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12:36:04 [xiaoqian]
QingAn: very interesting topic
12:36:29 [xiaoqian]
... we need to look into the scope of this issue, it maybe bigger than what's describe in the issue
12:36:47 [xiaoqian]
... relevant to download, a few other use cases
12:37:31 [xiaoqian]
... whether it has an independent render
12:37:54 [xiaoqian]
... which part of the mini app page can be rendered first
12:38:35 [xiaoqian]
... extending the Manifest spec may not be enough
12:38:40 [xiaoqian]
... let's keep the discussion open
12:39:03 [xiaoqian]
xfq: an even more advanced feature
12:39:39 [xiaoqian]
angel: shall we have a special meeting item for this? or GitHub discussion first
12:40:04 [xiaoqian]
QingAn: yes, let's discuss in the GitHub issue first
12:40:20 [xiaoqian]
... make it an issue for both Manifest and Packaging
12:41:14 [xiaoqian]
yongjing: sure, we will be happy to work on this
12:41:54 [xiaoqian]
topic: WG Note -- Addressing
12:42:25 [xiaoqian]
Dan: I plan to submit a PR, before the next meeting
12:42:50 [xiaoqian]
topic: WG Note -- Widget
12:43:06 [xiaoqian]
angel: any update?
12:43:11 [xiaoqian]
[silence]
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ack xiaoqian
12:43:36 [xfq]
xiaoqian: some questions about the white paper
12:43:39 [martin]
q+
12:43:51 [xfq]
... the white paper was published by the chinese ig
12:43:59 [xfq]
... i wonder the wg would like to work on it
12:44:13 [xfq]
angel: it makes sense to transfer the white paper to the cg
12:44:47 [xfq]
xiaoqian: we can't publish /tr in the cg
12:44:56 [xfq]
angel: but it's not in the wg charter
12:45:15 [xfq]
xfq: i think the wg can publish non-normative specs
12:45:23 [xfq]
s/specs/documents/
12:45:40 [xfq]
angel: let's try to review it next time
12:45:46 [xfq]
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12:45:58 [angel]
ack martin
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martin: re packaging
12:46:31 [xfq]
... expect it to be published as fpwd in q2
12:46:35 [xfq]
... time is tight
12:46:46 [xfq]
... we need to decide the file structure
12:46:55 [xfq]
... this is really important
12:47:03 [xfq]
... style, template
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... something we need to define
12:47:26 [xfq]
... need to decide as soon as possible
12:47:36 [xfq]
... syntax supported by the stylesheet
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... what CSS modules
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... xml template
12:48:19 [xfq]
... related to ui comoponents
12:48:31 [xfq]
... we need to define how to define components first
12:48:56 [xfq]
... we can continut discussing in github
12:49:02 [xfq]
angel: thank you, martin
12:49:31 [xfq]
q-
12:49:41 [angel]
q?
12:49:59 [angel]
zakim, close this agenda
12:49:59 [Zakim]
agendum 1 closed
12:50:01 [Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:50:01 [Zakim]
2. Publication process [from angel]
12:50:08 [angel]
zakim, take up agenda 2
12:50:08 [Zakim]
agendum 2 -- Publication process -- taken up [from angel]
12:51:27 [xiaoqian]
xfq: [explain the lifecycle of the W3C publication]
12:53:29 [xfq]
https://github.com/w3c/echidna
12:54:51 [xfq]
WebPerfWG -> https://w3c.github.io/web-performance/meetings/2021/2021-04-01/index.html
12:54:52 [xfq]
WebDriver -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-browser-tools-testing/2015JulSep/0009.html
12:54:52 [xfq]
WebAppSec -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webappsec/2015Mar/0170.html
12:54:52 [xfq]
WebRTC -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webrtc/2016Mar/0031.html
12:54:59 [xiaoqian]
xfq: I'd like the group to make a decision, wether to publish with echidna or GitHub action to publish WDs?
12:55:55 [xiaoqian]
s/wether to publish with echidna or GitHub action to publish WDs?/can we publish with echidna? also can we use GitHub action to publish WDs?
12:59:56 [xiaoqian]
angel: I'd like to suggest we explore both option
13:00:12 [xiaoqian]
... next meeting: 26 June
13:00:28 [xiaoqian]
s/26 June/24 June
13:00:46 [xiaoqian]
[adjourned]
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13:03:39 [martin]
Thanks! Undertood, I used it locally before
13:04:03 [martin]
I agree it's better using that tool
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