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13:57:12 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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13:57:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:57:18 <trackbot> Date: 27 May 2021
13:57:18 <agendabot> addison, OK. This may take a minute...
13:57:19 <agendabot> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021May/0013.html
13:57:19 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:57:19 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:57:19 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:57:21 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:57:23 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:57:25 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:57:25 <agendabot> agenda+ Payment-Request issues
13:57:27 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:57:45 <addison> agenda+ I18N glossary
13:57:58 <addison> agenda+ Rechartering status
13:58:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/27-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:58:36 <addison> regrets+ Felix
14:00:05 <addison> present+
14:00:48 <xfq> present+
14:01:32 <addison> present+ Atsushi, Richard
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14:05:10 <Bert> scribe+
14:05:37 <Bert> Atsushi: [scribe missed the first part]
14:06:54 <Bert> ... ruby, Murata Makoto, discussions...
14:07:09 <Bert> addison: Is this an agenda topic?
14:07:32 <addison> action: atsushi: ensure that a summary of the ruby issue in english is forwarded to the working group
14:07:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1030 - Ensure that a summary of the ruby issue in english is forwarded to the working group [on Atsushi Shimono - due 2021-06-03].
14:07:36 <Bert> r12a: Would be good if somebody made a summary of the Japanese e-mail discussion in English
14:07:45 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:07:45 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:08:01 <addison> agenda+ epub issues
14:08:10 <addison> agenda+ one HTML issue
14:08:26 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:08:26 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:08:36 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:09:46 <addison> action-1027?
14:09:46 <trackbot> action-1027 -- Richard Ishida to File issue on css multi-col to clarify columns in vertical -- due 2021-05-27 -- OPEN
14:09:46 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1027
14:09:48 <addison> close action-1027
14:09:48 <trackbot> Closed action-1027.
14:09:59 <addison> action-1028?
14:09:59 <trackbot> action-1028 -- Addison Phillips to Update personalization-semantics issue with clarifying statements and questions -- due 2021-05-27 -- OPEN
14:09:59 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1028
14:10:06 <addison> close action-1028
14:10:07 <trackbot> Closed action-1028.
14:10:14 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144#issuecomment-849206284
14:10:41 <Bert> r12a: related to action-1028, I just added to the questions ^^.
14:10:54 <addison> action-1029?
14:10:55 <trackbot> action-1029 -- Addison Phillips to Review payment-request issues and mark for close as needed -- due 2021-05-27 -- OPEN
14:10:55 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1029
14:11:19 <addison> close action-1029
14:11:19 <trackbot> Closed action-1029.
14:11:30 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:11:30 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:12:02 <Bert> Nothing.
14:12:02 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:12:02 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:12:12 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:12:47 <Bert> r12a: I updated all gap-analysis documents.
14:12:56 <xfq> r12a++
14:13:00 <atsushi> r12a++
14:14:11 <Bert> r12a: That publication required working around new publication rules, which need all images in the same directory.
14:15:25 <Bert> ... Putting all images in the directory is now simple for me, but I haven't written up how I did it yet.
14:16:09 <addison> agenda?
14:16:33 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:16:33 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Rechartering status -- taken up [from addison]
14:16:39 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/271
14:16:44 <Bert> r12a: See link ^^
14:17:02 <Bert> ... My request for charter review by the strategy team.
14:17:25 <Bert> ... contains links to the charter draft.
14:17:47 <Bert> s/draft/drafts for IG and WG/
14:18:19 <Bert> ... Period is 3 years. Updated charter template, but no real changes.
14:19:09 <Bert> ... Current charter ends 30 June, there may be a gap before the next charter starts.
14:20:01 <Bert> ... Character Model Fundamentals is part of the deliverables.
14:20:37 <Bert> addison: We could make it a Note instead of a Rec, what it is now.
14:21:24 <Bert> ... We could also make a new document, borrowing from the Rec, and publish *that* as a Note.
14:22:00 <addison> agenda?
14:22:15 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:22:15 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- I18N glossary -- taken up [from addison]
14:22:33 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-glossary/
14:23:13 <Bert> r12a: We talked about this previously. Is this ^^ in the right direction?
14:23:50 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/articles/definitions-time/
14:23:52 <Bert> ... I took some definitions for time zones from an article.
14:24:14 <Bert> addison: Is this copy-paste? Automated?
14:24:30 <Bert> r12a: copy-paste followed by editing.
14:24:39 <Bert> addison: Should there be links to the sources?
14:24:47 <Bert> r12a: Quite possibly.
14:25:04 <xfq> https://unicode.org/glossary/
14:25:34 <Bert> ... The a11y glossary has links, if three defintions it links to all three. Maybe not too useful.
14:26:33 <Bert> addison: If you want more info beyond the definition, a link might be handy. But we try to make the def. somewhat stand-alone.
14:27:18 <Bert> r12a: I decided, after thinking about it, to include String Meta.
14:27:34 <Bert> addison: It is not all industry jargon.
14:27:51 <Bert> r12a: It is all i18n-WG-jargon.
14:28:52 <Bert> ... My current inclination is to not include everything, but include what we may want to link to from various places. Link from a spec but also from an article.
14:30:10 <Bert> ... String Meta, and also Character Model, is largely about defining terms. But it is useful to have a succint definition.
14:30:19 <Bert> JcK: Yes, this is very worthwhile.
14:30:39 <Bert> r12a: We can still decide later what we want to do with it.
14:31:08 <Bert> addison: Who is the editor? Are you?
14:31:18 <Bert> r12a: Happy to work on this.
14:32:02 <Bert> ... Typically, if you need a def, it is easy to add it, rather than wait for somebody else to write it.
14:32:35 <Bert> addison: At some point we will need to decide on FPWD and such for this.
14:33:03 <Bert> r12a: Fuqiao asked about adding link to other glossaries, such as Unicode.
14:33:10 <Bert> ... That is a good idea.
14:33:31 <Bert> ... Fuqiao also found some links hard to click. That should be fixed now.
14:33:47 <Bert> ... For the ToC, I looked at how WAI did it.
14:34:04 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:34:04 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Payment-Request issues -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:34:25 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3As%3Apayment-request
14:34:31 <Bert> s/adding link/adding links
14:35:01 <Bert> r12a: I noticed a discrepancy in the numbering...
14:35:22 <r12a> s/numbering.../number of items.../
14:35:32 <Bert> addison: There is about three not flagged for closing.
14:35:55 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1046
14:36:09 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1040
14:36:20 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/848
14:36:40 <Bert> ... See the three links ^^
14:37:10 <Bert> ... The last one comes from plh's tool.
14:37:41 <Bert> r12a: I think I downgraded it from "needs-resolution" in 2017.
14:38:32 <Bert> ... It is difficult to understand these, lots of links, not clear what the actual change is.
14:39:23 <Bert> addison: #1046, they recognized the issue, but no change in this version.
14:39:34 <Bert> r12a: I'll put a recycle tag on it.
14:41:52 <Bert> addison: #1040, they added something to get a language from the element in the document. But the notification is not always document-based, e.g., a push notification.
14:42:12 <Bert> r12a: So that is an argument for adding the metadata.
14:42:16 <Bert> addison: Totally.
14:42:51 <addison> action: addison: document the state of payment-request
14:42:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1031 - Document the state of payment-request [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-06-03].
14:44:13 <Bert> r12a: W.r.t., localizing error, we probably need to reply on their list. We say what we wanted and say that we will watch for in the next version.
14:44:46 <Bert> addison: I'll make that part of my action of documenting payment-request.
14:46:11 <Bert> ... I'll send an email to Ian and Marcos and go through the list of issues.
14:46:43 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
14:46:43 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- one HTML issue -- taken up [from addison]
14:47:06 <r12a> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/4814
14:48:09 <Bert> r12a: This ^^ talks about a datalist item and matching it to what a user is typing.
14:48:41 <Bert> ... It seems we agree on what is needed, but not sure about what is next.
14:49:07 <Bert> ... Will it be implemented? It was suggested I write a Pull Request.
14:50:16 <Bert> addison: It doesn't seem ready. But you can write a Pull Request.
14:50:37 <Bert> r12a: I'd like to pass it by this WG for comments.
14:50:39 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/string-search
14:51:16 <Bert> addison: We have a doc about this, ^^, but it is mostly empty.
14:52:06 <Bert> ... It serves to scare people away from writing find_text() :-)
14:53:14 <Bert> addison: I suggest you propose some text, in an email, and we'll discuss it.
14:53:27 <addison> action: richard: propose text for html 4814 (datalist find/string search)
14:53:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1032 - Propose text for html 4814 (datalist find/string search) [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-06-03].
14:53:43 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:53:43 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- epub issues -- taken up [from addison]
14:53:58 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/1648
14:54:10 <xfq> https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/core/#sec-container-filenames
14:54:17 <Bert> xfq: First issue ^^ is about normalization and case-folding.
14:54:27 <Bert> ... They added some new text.
14:55:19 <Bert> ... Text says file names in a directory must be unique after NFC norm. and case-folding.
14:55:41 <Bert> r12a: Does it need to say which normalization?
14:56:06 <Bert> ... For matching any one is enough.
14:56:36 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/#CanonicalFoldNormalizationStep
14:56:38 <Bert> addison: Just Unicode canonical case-fold is enough.
14:56:56 <Bert> xfq: So no need to mention NFC normalization, then?
14:57:40 <Bert> r12a: But as they reference Unicode instead of our doc, it may need to say something about norm.
14:58:06 <Bert> addison: So make charmod-norm a REC then? :-)
14:58:59 <Bert> ... We advise them that they do not need to mention NFC, but only some canonical form?
14:59:22 <Bert> r12a: Yes, or they can say "NFC or..."
14:59:34 <Bert> ... so they don't limit people to NFC.
14:59:46 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/1629
15:00:06 <Bert> xfq: We dicussed ^^ before about length of path names.
15:00:24 <Bert> ... We proposed to add some text.
15:01:19 <Bert> ... They say the spec does not say how to handle too long names on purpose.
15:01:57 <Bert> r12a: OK, but a note to warn against splitting at code points.
15:03:04 <Bert> addison: Such a health warning makes sense, even if they don't want to limit what implementations do.
15:03:34 <Bert> xfq: Makes sense, but not sure they want to add such a note.
15:04:20 <Bert> addison: We are asking to say, *i*f an implementation truncates, then don't do this.
15:04:34 <Bert> ... Shall I write the message?
15:04:52 <Bert> s/*i*f/*if*/
15:04:53 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:04:53 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:05:40 <Bert> nothing.
15:06:01 <Bert> Zakim, end meeting
15:06:01 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been addison, xfq, Atsushi, Richard, JcK
15:06:04 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:06:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/27-i18n-minutes.html Zakim
15:06:07 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Bert; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:06:24 <Bert> present+
15:06:29 <Bert> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:06:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/27-i18n-minutes.html Bert
15:10:22 <Bert> s/succint/succinct
15:12:01 <r12a> s/So make charmod-norm a REC then? :-)//
15:12:09 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:12:46 <r12a> s/"NFC or..."/"NFC or NFD"/
15:13:12 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
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