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12:44:06 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:44:06 <trackbot> Date: 26 May 2021
12:44:24 <jasonjgw> trackbot, clear agenda
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12:44:30 <jasonjgw> zakim, clear agenda
12:44:30 <Zakim> agenda cleared
12:44:42 <jasonjgw> agenda+ XR Accessibility User Requirements (XAUR) - open issues.
12:44:42 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Media synchronization.
12:44:42 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Web of Things and Devices and Sensors use cases.
12:44:42 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Joint working group meetings at TPAC 2021.
12:44:42 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Requirements for the accessibility of audio output and potential user agent interventions.
12:44:45 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
12:44:57 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:44:59 <jasonjgw> present+
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13:00:48 <Joshue108> present+
13:01:27 <janina> present+
13:01:31 <janina> scribe: janina
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13:01:34 <janina> agenda?
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13:02:21 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:02:21 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- XR Accessibility User Requirements (XAUR) - open issues. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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13:03:50 <SteveNoble> present+
13:04:23 <janina> jgw: Notes a full agenda, will try to adress as many as possible
13:04:58 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/TR/raur/
13:06:02 <Joshue108> RTC A11y User Requirements published, announcements to follow
13:07:53 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues
13:08:16 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/168 Signing Avatars
13:08:53 <Joshue108> Branch with suggested edits on Signing avatars https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/xaur-signing-avatar/xaur/index.html
13:09:06 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/xaur-signing-avatar/xaur/index.html#text-description-transformation
13:09:13 <janina> jgw: Notes that RAUR/me I'm back. Let's here it for Xfinity
13:09:45 <janina> q+
13:11:49 <Joshue108> ack jan
13:12:12 <Joshue108> JS: Josh's text is good - facial expression is very important
13:12:18 <Joshue108> We should not discourage developers
13:13:51 <Joshue108> JOC: Oops. I can add that back in.
13:14:06 <Joshue108> JW: Leaving this open to include these cases and issues is useful.
13:14:22 <Joshue108> SN: +1 to Jason
13:14:42 <Joshue108> I've worked on Maths and Science dictionaries that were state of the art.
13:15:00 <Joshue108> Pushed boundaries - we don't want to discourage developers.
13:15:07 <Joshue108> Look at OCR for example.
13:15:16 <Joshue108> Similar parallels.
13:15:26 <Joshue108> Its advanced now.
13:18:43 <Joshue108> JB: Francis do you want to comment?
13:18:58 <Joshue108> FB: I think this summarises well what we heard last week.
13:19:08 <Joshue108> We don't want to discourage also, excellent.
13:19:56 <Joshue108> This is a comment for Wendy https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/169
13:20:05 <Joshue108> Deaf and signing issues: Automatic Speech Recognition [XAUR] #169
13:20:27 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/6d5bf713d9d7c65ecda104c213ad47b0e98cfbe1/xaur/index.html#voice-commands
13:20:39 <Joshue108> Is this the one it relates to?
13:20:51 <Joshue108> FB: The technology doesn't do so well with me!
13:21:01 <Joshue108> Transcripts are not always accurate.
13:21:21 <Joshue108> It can be limited.
13:22:47 <Joshue108> JOC: I'll follow up on GH
13:23:09 <Joshue108> JW: Discusses error rates, reduction etc neural networks etc
13:23:29 <Joshue108> It is improving. Hope this helps
13:23:40 <Joshue108> We can move this to GH.
13:23:47 <Joshue108> JW: Any new comments?
13:23:51 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:23:51 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Media synchronization. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:24:11 <Joshue108> scribe: Joshue108
13:24:26 <Joshue108> JW: We are discussing introducing a note track doc for this, underway.
13:24:41 <Joshue108> Steve has been looking at literature and summarizing
13:24:55 <Joshue108> What is the future line of development of this work?
13:25:17 <Joshue108> Lets discuss and take up action items.
13:25:26 <Joshue108> <janina back>
13:25:52 <Joshue108> JS: I want to capture what is in the wiki and formulise it
13:26:05 <Joshue108> I can start this in June. Repurposing the wiki.
13:26:34 <Joshue108> JB: Some more may join soon.
13:26:48 <Joshue108> JW: I have some time at the mo, so can help
13:27:01 <Joshue108> and then put it into a Git repo
13:27:19 <Joshue108> JS:  That's what I am thinking
13:27:30 <Joshue108> We need to express that these are important limits.
13:27:48 <Joshue108> It will go out for comments.
13:28:21 <Joshue108> We'd like WCAG 3 to pick it up (and others)
13:28:29 <Joshue108> Want it to be usable.
13:29:14 <Joshue108> SN: Just to update you - it now covers diff kind of syncronisation
13:29:21 <Joshue108> I'd like to cover more on XR
13:29:50 <Joshue108> q+ to say I'd be happy to help Steve with the XR sync stuff
13:30:18 <Joshue108> JW: Steve, would you like to complete work on wiki or GH?
13:30:31 <Joshue108> SN: Either is about the same.
13:30:42 <Joshue108> <discussion on wiki/GH stuff>
13:31:18 <Joshue108> JS: Its up to you really
13:32:13 <Joshue108> JW: We can do an auto wiki media => HTML
13:32:18 <Joshue108> ack me
13:32:18 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to say I'd be happy to help Steve with the XR sync stuff
13:33:19 <Joshue108> JB: Just to say two others have joined the call
13:34:50 <Joshue108> JB: Is there any future input on XR needed?
13:35:21 <Judy> scribe: Judy
13:35:43 <Judy> Josh: we had a couple of issues on XAUR
13:35:52 <Judy> ...one was relating to signing avatars
13:36:04 <Judy> ...a suggested edit in text transciption need
13:36:22 <Judy> ...there was an issue around diff btw animated vs real video of human
13:36:36 <Judy> ...concerns about nuances of facial expression being lost
13:36:58 <Judy> ...we don't want to squash the potential that is here for signing avatars to improve over time
13:37:21 <Judy> ...and there is a preference for real interpreter signing
13:37:29 <Judy> Josh: the other issue related to @@@
13:38:57 <Joshue108> Raja: There are some issues between natural signers and digital
13:39:06 <Joshue108> Size should be mentioned
13:39:14 <Joshue108> q+ do we have references for our doc?
13:39:24 <Joshue108> q+ to say do we have references for our doc?
13:39:38 <Joshue108> Raja: We have PIP, usually very small
13:39:43 <Joshue108> ack me
13:39:43 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to say do we have references for our doc?
13:40:44 <Judy> q+ to ask about covering this in WCAG AND XAUR
13:40:58 <Joshue108> ack JB
13:41:29 <Joshue108> Raja: I can send Josh references to the importance of size for signing avatars etc
13:41:50 <Joshue108> JB: We may need to discuss this in multiple places.
13:42:11 <Joshue108> JB: You also note this isn't covered in WCAG.
13:42:23 <Joshue108> This is useful for Silver/AGWG.
13:43:00 <Joshue108> WCAG G54 https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Techniques/general/G54.html
13:43:54 <Joshue108> q+ to say the G54 technique is actually a good reference
13:43:57 <Joshue108> ack jud
13:43:57 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to ask about covering this in WCAG AND XAUR
13:44:07 <Joshue108> ack me
13:44:07 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to say the G54 technique is actually a good reference
13:45:16 <Joshue108> JOC: This is good link to add to the XAUR, thanks Raja :-)
13:45:23 <Joshue108> ack me
13:46:02 <Joshue108> JW: Just to pick up on the second part of this, Steve N is doing great work here.
13:46:28 <Joshue108> Comments welcome - this work will likely evolve to NOTE track
13:46:46 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:46:46 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Web of Things and Devices and Sensors use cases. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:47:14 <Joshue108> JW:  This is a new issue that has been forwarded to us
13:48:26 <Joshue108> JS: We may not have responded, but we need to think if we have a11y use cases in this space.
13:49:01 <Joshue108> Are there new kinds of AT etc?
13:49:14 <Joshue108> We were asked but had no specific ideas.
13:49:34 <Joshue108> Dont need to come up with this right now
13:49:48 <Joshue108> SH: We covered a lot last time - are there specifics?
13:50:12 <Joshue108> JS: They have certain manufacturing, farming user needs etc
13:50:26 <Joshue108> but they want specific a11y use cases / user needs
13:50:30 <Joshue108> and we didn't answer
13:50:42 <Joshue108> JW: Can you remind us of the scope?
13:51:51 <Joshue108> JS: There are some creative applications that may not exist yet.
13:52:10 <Joshue108> May be fuzzy between devices and sensors and WoT.
13:53:20 <Joshue108> SH: <discusses barometer on Wheelchair etc>
13:53:46 <Joshue108> SH: Needs some specifics
13:54:07 <Joshue108> JS: There may need to be combinations to do useful stuff.
13:54:30 <Joshue108> Sounds like a topic of interest.
13:54:39 <Joshue108> Will put it on for next weeks
13:54:59 <Joshue108> JS: WoT didn't give us scoping guidance
13:55:33 <Joshue108> SH: I've reported on this in the Education context.
13:55:42 <Joshue108> Needs to be defined.
13:56:53 <Joshue108> SH: What about IoT in science labs where materials can be moved around, or getting info off the smart board to the students device etc.
13:57:05 <Joshue108> q?
13:57:24 <Joshue108> JW: We did discuss them but didn't compile or filter them to WoT
13:57:41 <Joshue108> Lets bring that back next week, not much time left
13:57:47 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:57:47 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Joint working group meetings at TPAC 2021. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:58:18 <Joshue108> JW:  This is being discussed in APA, Janina update?
13:58:30 <Joshue108> JS: Usual, who do we want to meet with, and with what agenda?
13:58:40 <Joshue108> The earlier we get the request to meet in the better
13:59:29 <Joshue108> JB: Discusses the benefits of sharing user requirements docs etc at TPAC
13:59:40 <Joshue108> JS: Its useful for APA
14:00:02 <Joshue108> lets think about what we want to do
14:00:31 <Joshue108> JB: Thanks folks for joining
14:00:53 <Joshue108> It would be good to get TF members joining, via suitable channels
14:01:20 <Joshue108> zakim, list attendees
14:01:20 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, Joshue, John_Paton, janina, scott_h, SteveNoble, SuzanneTaylor
14:01:27 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:01:53 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
14:01:53 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, Joshue, John_Paton, janina, scott_h, SteveNoble, SuzanneTaylor
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