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15:44:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:44:01 <trackbot> Date: 26 May 2021
15:44:11 <janina> agenda?
15:44:16 <janina> Chair:  Janina
15:44:16 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
15:44:16 <janina> agenda+ TPAC Planning
15:44:16 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Updates
15:44:16 <janina> agenda+ FAST Progress
15:44:18 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
15:44:21 <janina> agenda+ Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
15:44:24 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:44:27 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update &  Comment Feedback (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
15:44:29 <janina> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
15:44:32 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
15:44:35 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:44:37 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:45:00 <janina>  regrets: David_Fazio, Gottfried_Zimmerman, Ian_Pouncey
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15:59:07 <JF> agenda?
15:59:23 <JF> Present+
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16:00:18 <Fredrik> present+
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16:06:12 <Fredrik> Hi everyone! I seem to have my old trouble with my headset again, so I'll be in written form today.
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16:06:20 <becky> scribe: becky
16:06:25 <becky> present+
16:06:25 <janina> present+
16:06:27 <MichaelC> present+
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16:06:34 <amy_c> present+
16:06:38 <becky> agenda?
16:06:50 <becky> zakim, next item
16:06:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
16:08:09 <becky> Janina: stock agenda, RAUR published
16:08:19 <becky> zakim, next itme
16:08:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next itme', becky
16:08:21 <becky> zakim, next item
16:08:21 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC Planning -- taken up [from janina]
16:09:14 <becky> Janina: no specifics on TPAC yet, discussed in RQTF, reminder that we need to think about groups we want to meet,
16:09:21 <becky> zakim, close this item
16:09:21 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
16:09:22 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:09:22 <Zakim> 3. Task Force Updates [from janina]
16:09:26 <becky> zakim, next item
16:09:26 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force Updates -- taken up [from janina]
16:10:19 <becky> Janina: Pronunciation FPWD is published, have started to get comments, actively seeking comments - esp. from folks who specialize in TTS engines
16:10:58 <becky> Janina: Personalization - Lisa has stepped down as co-facilitator and Lionel will co-facilitate with Sharon
16:12:11 <becky> Janina: RQTF had a joint meeting with deaf and hard of hearing community about sign language and other implications; They will continue to participate
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16:12:36 <paul_grenier> present+
16:12:38 <Irfan> present+
16:12:43 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/raur/
16:13:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
16:13:04 <becky> Josh: Yeah, RAUR is published
16:14:02 <becky> Janina: on behalf of group, chairs filed comments on the process updates being considered for Notes and WAI documents
16:14:13 <becky> zakim, next item
16:14:13 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- FAST Progress -- taken up [from janina]
16:14:56 <becky> MichaelC: survey has been a bit stalled, hoping to pick up pieces next week
16:15:01 <becky> zakim, close this item
16:15:01 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
16:15:02 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:15:02 <Zakim> 5. New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 [from janina]
16:15:05 <becky> zakim, next item
16:15:05 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
16:15:22 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/268
16:15:56 <becky> MichaelC: PNG working group we looked at a few weeks ago and asked for more info; Michael filed an issue to respond to comments
16:16:14 <JF> +1 Michael
16:16:26 <becky> MichaelC: believe color correction and other items are of interest to this group
16:16:52 <becky> Janina: believe the draft response is fine, agree with adding a few examples
16:17:13 <becky> JF: yes, want to give them a hint of what type of info we are looking for
16:17:27 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/269
16:17:31 <becky> MichaelC: Web applications WG
16:18:23 <becky> MichaelC : charter is minimally changed from previous one, they are adding a few items and removing a few others
16:18:33 <becky> MichaelC: believe no comments need
16:18:37 <becky> Janine: agreed
16:18:47 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/271
16:19:14 <Fredrik> The internationalization WGÖ could that be something for pronunciation_
16:19:28 <becky> MichaelC: I18n working group; they don't have an APA liason but don't believe it is needed
16:20:06 <becky> MichaelC: I18N interest group also recharting; sounds like we can sign off on these charters
16:20:11 <becky> Janina: agreed
16:21:16 <becky> Janina: we have interest in a charter when their topic is of interest to APA, one example is the area of media, if there are particular features that we want to see added we can have input into the charter scope
16:21:53 <becky> zakim, next item
16:21:53 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
16:22:20 <Fredrik> Congratulatiosn Lionel_Wolberger !
16:23:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Says to Fredrik, Thank you
16:23:34 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6310
16:24:00 <becky> MichaelC : CSS issue about breaking color in HCM
16:24:55 <becky> Janina: will ask Amy to track; believe those involved will resolve well
16:25:31 <becky> MichaelC: CSS color adjustment; issue with the way system colors are exposed
16:25:51 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5710
16:26:24 <becky> MichaelC: Shielding system colors to avoid fingerprinting?
16:26:40 <becky> MichaelC: believe we want to track it but do we want to more?
16:26:56 <becky> Janina: yes to tracking
16:27:32 <becky> MichaelC: is there anyone we can recruit for color, some people suggested
16:27:51 <becky> MichaelC: I will watch for now and we will track
16:28:40 <becky> Michaelc: above is filed twice: color adjustment and color module
16:29:11 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6040
16:29:23 <becky> Clarification on use of the term "speak-as" and possible alternatives
16:29:48 <becky> MichaelC: we will track and ask Lisa
16:30:01 <becky> MichaelC: to take a look
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16:30:24 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/html-aria/issues/318
16:30:31 <becky> MichaelC: 3 aria and HTML issues - I believe two are already closed
16:30:44 <becky> Should <iframe> support role=dialog?
16:31:28 <becky> MichaelC: Steve Faulkner and Cynthia Shelly have been commenting on it
16:31:37 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/html-aria/issues/319
16:31:42 <becky> MichaelC: APA will not track - no need
16:32:00 <becky> Should <img> support role=figure?
16:32:06 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/html-aria/issues/317
16:32:24 <becky> MichaelC: also being tracked by a11y folks, no need to track
16:32:43 <becky> MichaelC: same fo issue 317 - being tracked by a11y folks, no need to track
16:32:52 <becky> zakim, next item
16:32:52 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
16:33:17 <becky> MichaelC: 4 today
16:34:03 <becky> MichaelC : CSS color adjustment level 1, believe we want to review
16:34:20 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-adjust-1/
16:34:29 <becky> amy_c: I will review
16:35:08 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/device-posture/
16:35:29 <becky> MichaelC: device posture api, api to allow web apps to be notified of posture of foldable device
16:37:02 <becky> paul_grenier: This is the same specification that I read and APA commented upon
16:37:31 <becky> MichaelC: has been renamed from screen fold api - which we already have tracking for
16:38:47 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/webgpu/
16:38:57 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/WGSL/
16:39:06 <becky> MichaelC: web gpu and web gpu shading language - 2 related
16:39:56 <becky> MichaelC: api related to graphics processing unit - seems very low level, seem we can skip tracking
16:40:13 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger : seems to be focused on processing unit
16:41:04 <becky> Janina: agree that no need to review
16:41:26 <becky> s/review/track
16:41:46 <becky> zakim, next item
16:41:46 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- CSS Update &  Comment Feedback (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
16:42:20 <Fredrik> Hooray!
16:42:26 <becky> amy_c: I finally officially part of CSS group
16:43:27 <becky> amy_c: our comments on multicolumn have been addressed - draft has been updated
16:43:35 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/2
16:44:19 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/3
16:45:29 <becky> amy_c: will look at CSS color Adjust but can't assign the issue to myself
16:46:04 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/17
16:47:38 <becky> amy_c: CSS fonts module level 4 - had comments on font glyphs; what to clarify the need to alt text
16:48:58 <becky> amy_c: I'll suggest that it needs alternative text when glyph is used for other than it's assigned unicode value
16:49:06 <becky> Janina: agreed
16:49:17 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/37
16:49:25 <becky> amy_c : reviewed overscroll behavior module level 1
16:49:27 <amy_c> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-overscroll-1/
16:50:23 <becky> amy_c: would like to  get input AT users how overridng scroll behavior affects them
16:50:49 <becky> amy_c: another example is pull to refesh and also infinite scroll
16:50:59 <becky> s/refesh/refresh
16:51:30 <janina> q?
16:52:14 <becky> paul_grenier: when browser is zoomed scrolling is much more prevalent and hijacking the zoom can create problems
16:52:25 <becky> Janina: I can't think of examples
16:53:25 <becky> paul_grenier: I wonder if this is a better replacement for scroll padding
16:54:09 <becky> paul_grenier: this may allow scroll positioning to prevent fixed content from overwriting other content
16:55:00 <becky> paul_grenier: sounds like we should probably watch this;
16:55:26 <becky> amy_c: was last updated in Feb 2021
16:56:09 <becky> amy_c: agrees we should watch; perhaps close this ticket until request for a formal review?
16:56:24 <becky> janina: sounds reasonable
16:57:24 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger: seems to enforce concept of "page"
16:58:27 <becky> general discussion of infinite scroll
16:59:09 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
16:59:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/26-apa-minutes.html becky
16:59:43 <becky> JF: mentions impact of infinite scroll on keyboard users
17:00:26 <becky> amy_c: will add a note that we want to watch this spec
17:00:39 <becky> Janina: may want to include concerns about keyboard
17:01:18 <becky> MichaelC : we can mark it as deferred on our apa page and those interested should follow the issue
17:01:51 <becky> irfan: Pronunciation has submitted to AHG conference
17:01:57 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
17:01:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/26-apa-minutes.html becky
17:02:18 <Fredrik> Happy holidays and happy weekend everyone! Thanks!
17:02:24 <becky> zakim, end meeting
17:02:24 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been JF, Fredrik, becky, janina, MichaelC, amy_c, paul_grenier, Irfan, Lionel_Wolberger
17:02:26 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:02:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/26-apa-minutes.html Zakim
17:02:29 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, becky; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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