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12:05:51 <kaz> meeting: WoT Use Cases
12:06:10 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, David_Ezell, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:07:19 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_UseCase_WebConf#Agenda_25.5.
12:08:00 <kaz> present+ Philip_Tran
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12:09:04 <McCool> topic: minutes
12:09:33 <McCool> ml: reviews May 4 minutes
12:11:22 <dezell> q+
12:14:16 <McCool> de: hubs in retail focus on localization and portability
12:14:33 <McCool> mm: edgex just an example, need to look at how to capture uc and requirements
12:14:43 <McCool> ml: anyway, any objections to the minutes?
12:14:53 <McCool> ... hearing none, published
12:15:03 <McCool> kaz: we also need to look at May 11 minutes
12:15:16 <kaz> i|reviews|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/04-wot-uc-minutes.html May-4|
12:15:16 <mlagally> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/11-wot-uc-minutes.html
12:15:19 <McCool> ml: review May 11 minutes
12:15:40 <McCool> ... right, that was when Soumya presented
12:15:58 <kaz> i|May 11|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/11-wot-uc-minutes.html May-11|
12:16:14 <McCool> ... also the ITU-T liaison; I guess we are still waiting for their response
12:16:46 <McCool> ... and Soumya presented several use cases that touched on AR/VR and edge cases
12:18:02 <McCool> ... planned to come back with a UC contribution
12:19:07 <McCool> mm: now I'm wondering if Soumya knows about the meeting schedule; has the wiki page been updated?
12:19:17 <McCool> ml: let me check...
12:20:45 <McCool> ml: any objection to publishing the minutes?
12:20:59 <McCool> ... hearing none, to be published
12:21:53 <McCool> topic: issue review
12:23:46 <McCool> ml: as a general comment, there are a lot of things commented out in the index.html that need to be filled in
12:23:57 <McCool> ... have created issues for many of these
12:24:41 <McCool> ... and also, added several hidden citations so references show up but document does not cite them in visible content
12:25:03 <McCool> ... also, it would be better to use re-spec references as opposed to local ones
12:25:16 <McCool> ... mizushima-san, do you think you can look into this?
12:25:33 <kaz> q+
12:26:02 <kaz> q- dezell
12:26:03 <McCool> ms: I am willing to check the links, but in some cases there are no data
12:26:17 <McCool> ... for example, MMI-2.1, etc. what are these?
12:26:27 <McCool> ml: those are a bit special
12:27:39 <McCool> mm: btw, MMI stands for "multimodal interface" and may or may not be in respec (was a CG note, I think)
12:28:07 <McCool> ml: some things we need local refs, but if is it an RFC, etc. there should be an official ref for that
12:28:41 <McCool> kaz: we need to look at refs; but I did make a PR to update the publication, and some of those changes were reference fixes
12:29:14 <McCool> ... but, respec has a bug that is introducing white space and breaking some things, so...
12:29:36 <McCool> ml: why don't you work with mizushima-san and see if you can sort out the references?
12:30:21 <McCool> action: kaz to work with mizushima-san on specref database
12:31:40 <McCool> topic: PRs
12:31:51 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/134/files
12:32:01 <McCool> kaz: this updates various things for publication
12:32:19 <McCool> ... fairly large, but we need to merge it as a basis for discussion
12:32:26 <McCool> ml: it's all editorial cleanup?
12:32:32 <McCool> kaz: yes, and there is a summary
12:33:09 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/134#issue-652247919 summary of the changes
12:33:17 <McCool> ... fixing broken links, mention of "master" converted to "main", duplicate ids, etc. etc.
12:34:09 <McCool> ml: other PRs
12:34:17 <McCool> ... cultural spaces
12:34:32 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/131
12:36:02 <McCool> ... is intro contributions, as an HTML file
12:36:24 <McCool> kaz: unfortunately he modified the template directly, so we need to fix the PR
12:37:09 <McCool> mm: and we can ignore the markup and formatting for now, will fix when we roll up into index.html
12:38:31 <McCool> ... I think the environmental control requirements are new here
12:38:46 <McCool> ... it's true that art museums etc. have special requirements
12:39:20 <McCool> ml: knowledge representation of locations...
12:39:29 <McCool> mm: so, geolocation?
12:39:40 <McCool> ml: related to energy consumption as well
12:39:45 <McCool> ... also person tracking
12:44:39 <McCool> ml: so let's add some comments
12:45:03 <McCool> mm: needs citation for definition of "trustworthy" and "trust degree" since actually uses a numerical value
12:45:20 <McCool> ml: (add comments)
12:45:27 <McCool> mm: a discussion of accessibility
12:46:37 <McCool> ... would also be useful, not sure if is already in there
12:46:55 <McCool> mm: regarding the template issue, we can fix, but will require some cutting and pasting
12:48:46 <McCool> ml: also some discussion of welcome messages, environmental and lighting controls, etc.
12:49:29 <McCool> mm: interesting discussion here, because you might not want heating/humidity to vary too much, but temporarily brightening lighting might be ok
12:49:41 <McCool> ml: perhaps they missed location?
12:50:48 <McCool> mm: person might be given a guide that has a tracker
12:51:06 <McCool> ... also, some museums have "linear" exhibits, some are branching
12:52:02 <McCool> ... for location, need something more specialized to indoor
12:54:12 <McCool> mm: does he mean some visitors have more rights than others, e.g. rights to take photographs?
12:55:26 <McCool> mm: would imagine tracking artifacts is something you'd want to do in a museum
12:55:58 <dezell> q+ before the end of the meeting would like to talk about Conexxus User stories
12:56:00 <McCool> ... and correlate that with visitors, environmental controls, etc.
12:57:50 <McCool> ml: so summary, we accept it, once they mix the name conflict, we can revisit in next call
12:57:59 <McCool> topic: Connexxus User Stories
12:58:26 <McCool> de: IoT group in connexxus had made progress on user stories
12:58:33 <McCool> ... outdoor and indoor
12:58:50 <McCool> ... are 11 in the outdoor, about 15 for indoor
12:59:01 <McCool> ... wondering if we can make use of some of these here
12:59:08 <McCool> ... have identified stakeholders
12:59:32 <McCool> ... end users, why do they care (what do they want to know...)
12:59:44 <McCool> ... relates to security and discovery
13:00:22 <McCool> mm: sounds like it has a lot of useful material
13:00:31 <McCool> ml: is there a presentation or summary?
13:00:37 <McCool> de: is a word document
13:00:57 <McCool> ... one thing they are trying to reason about is abstracting these into a set of thing descriptions
13:01:17 <McCool> ... is it possible to abstract three of these as TDs?
13:02:11 <McCool> ml: no use case meeting next week... in two weeks
13:02:56 <McCool> mm: can we get access to the document?
13:03:11 <McCool> ml: more productive to have a presentation...
13:03:19 <McCool> ... we can aim for four weeks out
13:03:28 <McCool> de: can't make the next meeting
13:04:00 <McCool> mm: could we switch around parts of architecture and use case calls?
13:04:40 <McCool> de: that might work, I will talk to jack d about it
13:05:08 <McCool> ml: any other business?
13:05:32 <McCool> ... no, let's adjourn; thanks, all.   Note: no UC or Arch call next week.
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