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15:50:37 <sajkaj> Meeting: Silver Conformance Options Subgroup
15:50:43 <sajkaj> Date: 20 May 2021
15:50:47 <sajkaj> Chair: sajkaj
15:50:50 <sajkaj> agenda?
15:50:54 <sajkaj> Agenda+ Agenda Review & Administrative Items
15:50:54 <sajkaj> agenda+ Third Party Content Redux
15:50:54 <sajkaj> agenda+ Testing: "Third Party has two main divisions for conformance purposes"
15:50:57 <sajkaj> agenda+ Third Party: Contracted Content Conformance Proposal
15:50:59 <sajkaj> agenda+ Third Party: Freely Provided Content and conformance implications
15:51:02 <sajkaj> agenda+ May Report: Content and timeline
15:51:04 <sajkaj> agenda+ Other Business
15:51:07 <sajkaj> agenda+ Be Done
15:51:09 <sajkaj>  agenda?
15:51:46 <sajkaj> rrsagent, make logs public
15:51:53 <sajkaj> rrsagent, make minutes
15:51:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/20-silver-conf-minutes.html sajkaj
15:52:32 <sajkaj> regrets: Peter_Korn, Todd_Libby, Azlan_Cuttilan, Wilco_Fiers
15:54:28 <sajkaj> regrets+ Bruce_Bailey
15:57:38 <sajkaj> regrets- Azlan_Cuttilan
15:57:48 <sajkaj> rrsagent, make minutes
15:57:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/20-silver-conf-minutes.html sajkaj
16:03:24 <Azlan> present+
16:03:41 <sajkaj> present+
16:03:52 <jeanne> present+
16:04:09 <Jemma> present+
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16:05:54 <Azlan> scribe: Azlan
16:05:59 <sarahhorton> present+
16:06:19 <sajkaj> zakim, next item
16:06:19 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Administrative Items -- taken up [from sajkaj]
16:06:54 <sajkaj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/May_Report_to_the_Silver_TF
16:07:26 <sajkaj> zakim, next item
16:07:26 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Third Party Content Redux -- taken up [from sajkaj]
16:08:37 <Azlan> sajkaj: Might be an opportunity coming if the group agrees to handle third party more easily
16:10:11 <Azlan> Hoping to wrap up the report  by June 8th at AGWG
16:10:30 <sajkaj> zakim, next item
16:10:31 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Testing: "Third Party has two main divisions for conformance purposes" -- taken up [from sajkaj]
16:12:49 <Azlan> sajkaj: We thought third party broke down to three groups, but as the report developed, copyright is the same as content. Would need to check on that.
16:14:15 <Azlan> Jemma: Request to clarify three categories to two
16:16:41 <Azlan> sajkaj: "contracted content" and "freely provided by individuals" as the two new categories
16:18:36 <Azlan> sarahhorton: Example of Facebook - is facebook contracted content?
16:19:16 <Azlan> sajkaj: It may be considered as contract with no fee
16:20:52 <Jemma> +q
16:21:26 <Azlan> We can change the term whether it is implicit, money has changed hands etc but we should get some advice on that
16:21:56 <sajkaj> ack Jemma
16:23:49 <Azlan> sajkaj: Facebook may fall under both categories dependent upon usage - freely provided content vs class related content
16:25:02 <sajkaj> zakim, next item
16:25:02 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Third Party: Contracted Content Conformance Proposal -- taken up [from sajkaj]
16:25:07 <Jemma> ack me
16:26:35 <Azlan> sajkaj: with regards to a contract service, the proposal is the first thing is to identify it
16:27:06 <Azlan> Identify for each what the accessibility issues are (1point)
16:27:20 <Azlan> Identify the contractee (1 point)
16:27:33 <Azlan> Suggest a remedy (1 point)
16:28:13 <Azlan> Edit - identifying the  contract service gains 1 point
16:29:34 <Azlan> ie. finding the boundary to third party content
16:30:22 <Azlan> Lets users know the owner does not always have the power to fix an issue
16:31:53 <Azlan> Enables showing commonality of issues across different sites using the same third party service
16:34:59 <Azlan> sarahhorton: if part of an audit how might this play out? Evaluating a site and whether a problem has been reported to the vendor and whether there is a remedy - how does the auditor know this?
16:38:14 <Azlan> sajkaj: the site making the conformance claim would need to disclose this to the evaluator
16:39:27 <Azlan> jeanne: dont think this is unheard of
16:40:36 <Jemma> azlan: 1. declairing third party content, GDPR, Cookies can be considered.
16:42:08 <Jemma> 2. I may not have a choice to select  third party.
16:43:19 <Azlan> Jemma: Question - who is providing a recommendation - owner or third party vendor?
16:43:51 <Azlan> sajkaj: The owner should do their best to get the thrid party to be accessible
16:45:58 <Azlan> Jemma: I score the points as the university staff auditor
16:46:52 <Azlan> sajkaj: You report the issue and request recommendations for a possible fix that may be reported back
16:47:43 <Azlan> Jemma: Exception process - no accessible alternative is available. How might this work?
16:49:20 <Azlan> sajkaj: Don't know - we may run into that.
16:51:25 <Azlan> Jemma: lists some third party service in use in the University that would require the exception process
16:51:43 <Azlan> sajkaj: we need a clear way to categorise an exception and timestamp it
16:51:54 <Jemma> agenda?
16:52:46 <Jemma> I agree with Sarah's point
16:53:41 <Azlan> sarahhorton: we need to take as a starting point systems that are inaccessible. Anything we do that involves rating on systems there will inevitably be accessibility issues and we need meaningful ratings for the severity of that
16:56:19 <Azlan> sajkaj: there are sites that there may not be time or budget for making the content accessible before the content is no longer required
17:04:21 <Azlan> zakin, bye
17:04:33 <Azlan> zakim, bye
17:04:33 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Azlan, sajkaj, jeanne, Jemma, sarahhorton
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17:05:24 <Azlan> rrsagent, make minutes
17:05:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/20-silver-conf-minutes.html Azlan
17:06:19 <Azlan> rrsagent, bye
17:06:19 <RRSAgent> I see no action items