14:00:34 RRSAgent has joined #wot-td 14:00:34 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-td-irc 14:00:43 Meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF 14:00:45 present+ Kaz_Ashimura 14:02:26 mjk has joined #wot-td 14:03:04 present+ Klaus_Hartke, Michael_Koster 14:04:45 present+ Taki_Kamiya, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan 14:05:15 regrets+ Sebastian_Kaebisch 14:05:27 present+ Michael_McCool 14:05:43 rrsagent, make log public 14:05:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:05:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:05:53 dape has joined #wot-td 14:06:21 taki has joined #wot-td 14:06:39 Scribe: TK 14:06:44 ScribeNick: taki 14:06:52 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#May_19.2C_2021 14:07:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:07:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:07:38 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 14:09:20 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:09:20 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:09:27 TK: minutes were accepted from last week. 14:09:37 i/minutes/topic: Minutes/ 14:09:58 i|minutes|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/12-wot-td-minutes.html May-12| 14:10:12 topic: Debriefing from the main call 14:10:13 McCool: acstraction intro and change log were merged. 14:10:22 s/acst/abst/ 14:10:26 McCool: made correction to abstract. 14:10:36 McCool: changed wording mistake. 14:10:57 McCool: basically ready waiting for sebastian's change to changelog. 14:11:09 i|intro|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-minutes.html#t09 TD discussion during the main call| 14:11:34 s/abstraction/abstract/ 14:12:18 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi 14:12:39 TOPIC: PR# 1147 14:13:46 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1147 PR 1147 - PR including the comments 14:17:58 McCool: At risk part needs to be taken care of after CR. 14:18:27 McCool: At risk part needs work after CR. 14:19:01 s/after /before / 14:19:16 kaz: this is for an updated WD not CR, so should be OK 14:19:28 i/this/scribenick: kaz/ 14:19:51 TK: PR# 1147 was merged. 14:20:05 i/1147/scribenick: taki/ 14:20:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:20:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:22:02 kaz: my only question is relationship between this PR's update and the candidate draft 14:22:14 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/tree/wd-update-candidate candidate draft for updated WD 14:27:23 q+ 14:27:26 Kaz to check if the spec is clean on wd-update-candidate2 branch. 14:27:57 DP: I still see broken links in the spec. 14:28:33 Kaz: we can check in static version first, then fix broken links. 14:32:00 -> https://validator.w3.org/checklink Link checker 14:32:49 Kaz: DP can fix links directly on the branch. 14:33:26 DP: Should it be which branch? 14:33:50 Kaz: ideally to both branches. 14:34:27 DP: I will ping others after fixing links. 14:35:10 McCool: Fix rendered version, and merge the changes back in. 14:35:47 Kaz: Please take a look at possible errors, and can discuss what to do else on Friday. 14:36:53 Use case document clean up was already done by Kaz. 14:37:31 s/Kaz./Kaz, but PR to be done for applying the changes back to the respec draft./ 14:38:54 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:38:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:43:04 s/McCool: At risk part needs work before CR.// 14:43:22 s/care of after CR./care of before CR./ 14:43:50 McCool: Chunked transfer is needed in directory use case. 14:44:09 McCool: HTTP use case needs to be able to handle it. 14:44:12 i/taken care of/kaz: there are only two lines mentioning "features at-risk" but is that OK?/ 14:44:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:44:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:44:52 Ege: devices that generates big data can choose to output as a stream. 14:44:55 s/there are only two/scribebick: kaz/ 14:45:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:45:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:45:12 McCool: HTTP 1.1 and 2.0 have different mechanisms. 14:45:32 i|my only question is|scribenick: kaz| 14:45:59 McCool: images and videos are big, and videos are unlimited length. 14:46:40 s/kaz: scribebick: kaz/kaz: there are only two/ 14:46:46 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:46:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:47:20 Koster: chunking can be used on HTTP, but chunking itself does not mean streaming. 14:47:44 McCool: pagination and chunking are different. 14:48:06 McCool: chunking does not mean structure. 14:48:33 s/both branches./both branches, but you can create yet another branch for publication like Taki did for "wd-update-candidate2"/ 14:48:38 q+ 14:49:15 i|but is that OK?|scribenick: kaz| 14:49:20 cristiano: HTTP provides chunking. if protocol does not support chunking, then server still want to make chunks, so streaming can be useful. 14:49:29 q? 14:49:30 ack dape 14:49:37 i|At risk part needs|scribenick: taki| 14:49:55 McCool: "streaming" is a hint. 14:49:57 cris has joined #wot-td 14:50:11 i|Kaz to check if|scribebick: taki| 14:50:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:50:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:50:38 McCool: we can check contenttype can use any options for chunking. 14:51:05 McCool: such as streaming=true 14:51:45 Koster: it depends on protocols. HTTP has a way to do. 14:52:03 i|Chunked transfer|topic: Issue 1044| 14:52:18 McCool: HTTP2 uses different mechanism. 14:52:21 i|Chunked transfer|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1044 Issue 1044 - Adding term to indicate a stream of data| 14:53:04 McCool: we can capture this dicussion in the issue. 14:53:24 McCool: we can also take a look at alternatives such as contenttype. 14:54:09 Koster: CoAP only has blocking. 14:54:25 Koster: but it is not continuous. 14:54:31 q+ 14:54:51 cristiano: streaming can make TD handling complex. 14:55:15 ryuichi has joined #wot-td 14:55:37 McCool: protocol binding can also cover this aspect. 14:56:04 McCool: each protocol can define what streaming=true means. 14:56:38 ack m 14:57:09 Ege: When I opened the issue, I heard some people need this. We can keep this issue open and try to solve it going forward. 14:58:06 Kaz: we can clarify media use cases first, which is a complex task. We can address this in 2.0. 14:58:46 cristiano: scripting support is just basic now. we can wait till 2.0. 14:59:10 s/first, which is/first (like video streaming using MEPG-DASH or HLS) but that would be/ 14:59:34 s/scribebick/scribenick/ 14:59:38 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:59:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:59:40 ack k 15:00:44 [adjourned] 15:00:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:00:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 15:31:33 zkis has joined #wot-td 15:46:33 zkis2 has joined #wot-td 17:25:33 Zakim has left #wot-td