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13:44:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:44:24 <trackbot> Date: 13 May 2021
13:44:27 <agendabot> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021May/0006.html
13:44:27 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:44:27 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:44:27 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:44:29 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:44:31 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:44:33 <agendabot> agenda+ D145 and Charmod
13:44:35 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:46:00 <addison> regrets+ Felix
13:46:08 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:46:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/13-i18n-minutes.html addison
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13:59:35 <addison> present+ Addison, Fuqiao
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14:00:05 <addison> scribenick xfq
14:00:52 <David> present+
14:02:23 <addison> present+ JcK, Atsushi, Richard
14:03:09 <addison> regrets+ Bert
14:03:28 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:03:28 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:03:38 <addison> agenda?
14:03:53 <addison> agenda+ epub
14:04:00 <xfq> xfq: epub
14:04:02 <addison> agenda+ changes to language enablement
14:04:09 <xfq> r12a: changes to language enablement
14:04:57 <xfq> david: in alreq there are some images missing
14:04:58 <addison> David: arabic layout doc missing some images
14:05:16 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:05:16 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:22 <xfq> scribe+
14:05:23 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:05:58 <addison> action-989?
14:05:58 <trackbot> action-989 -- Addison Phillips to Check tus and if necessary ping unicode folks about d145 normalization case fold ordering questions -- due 2021-01-21 -- OPEN
14:05:58 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/989
14:06:19 <xfq> addison: talked to Craig @@
14:06:29 <xfq> ... talked to Mark again
14:06:32 <addison> close action-989
14:06:32 <trackbot> Closed action-989.
14:07:14 <xfq> r12a: Looked at string meta use of 'natural language'
14:07:31 <xfq> ... most of them should be replaced by localizable
14:08:18 <xfq> addison: I'll do that
14:08:51 <addison> action-1025?
14:08:51 <trackbot> action-1025 -- Richard Ishida to Look at the typography index and determine a way to point to other (outside) documents -- due 2021-05-13 -- OPEN
14:08:51 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1025
14:09:03 <addison> close action-1025
14:09:03 <trackbot> Closed action-1025.
14:09:17 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:09:17 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/13-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:09:37 <xfq> r12a: published two documents
14:09:39 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/
14:09:46 <xfq> ... for wide review this week
14:10:13 <xfq> s/two/three/
14:10:29 <xfq> s/for wide review/a wide review request/
14:10:38 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:10:38 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:10:52 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:11:16 <xfq> addison: review requests
14:11:52 <xfq> xfq: I can review CSS Multi-column Layout Module Level 1
14:12:19 <addison> agenda?
14:12:27 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:12:27 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- D145 and Charmod -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:12:52 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021May/0005.html
14:13:08 <xfq> addison: Mark Davis ☕️ replied
14:13:44 <xfq> ... unless there' some obscure thing I don't know about
14:14:09 <xfq> ... we can make charmod-norm be consistent with @@
14:14:18 <xfq> ... any objections?
14:14:59 <addison> http://aphillips.github.io/charmod-norm/#CanonicalFoldNormalizationStep
14:15:51 <xfq> addison: move step 1 to 3
14:16:08 <xfq> r12a: and 3 to 1
14:17:17 <addison> action: addison: revise charmod-norm to move optional step from 1 to 3
14:17:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1026 - Revise charmod-norm to move optional step from 1 to 3 [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-05-20].
14:17:25 <addison> agenda?
14:18:20 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:18:20 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- changes to language enablement -- taken up [from addison]
14:18:34 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/TR/typography/
14:18:44 <xfq> r12a: my action was to figure a way to link to the typography document
14:18:55 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/typography/
14:18:55 <xfq> ... thought about various different ways
14:19:03 <xfq> ... ^ ED
14:19:21 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/typography/#vertical_text
14:19:24 <xfq> ... we already have some stuff
14:19:31 <xfq> ... if you look at vertical text ^
14:19:47 <xfq> ... some stuff are not W3C-related
14:21:19 <xfq> ... if you click on the link in Orthography Notes
14:21:27 <xfq> ... there's another page
14:22:33 <xfq> ... you can click through all these things
14:23:07 <xfq> ... if anybody has any objections or finds any problems with the way that I've done this
14:23:12 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/typography/ga_switcher
14:23:13 <xfq> ... please let me know
14:23:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/13-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:23:41 <xfq> ... this is for Gap Analysis docs ^
14:24:39 <xfq> r12a: I think that's a useful tool for you to use
14:24:44 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/3
14:24:49 <xfq> ... working on this ^
14:25:05 <xfq> ... we've been accumulating gaps for a while now
14:25:40 <xfq> ... from now on we need to systematizing it through a pipeline
14:26:13 <xfq> ... if you click webkit it will show you things that need to be resolved in webkit
14:26:52 <xfq> ... how to manage @@ across many documents
14:26:56 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/eurlreq/issues/23
14:27:08 <xfq> ... like "Browsers apply extraneous spaces when letter-spacing" ^
14:28:13 <xfq> ... this text was repeated for Dutch, French, Georgian, German, Greek, and Hungarian gap analysis documents
14:28:33 <xfq> ... because they share the same repo
14:28:41 <xfq> ... but if you go to clreq
14:28:47 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/TR/clreq-gap/
14:29:15 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/clreq/gap-analysis/#spacing
14:29:38 <xfq> r12a: basically it says "This issue applies to all languages that use letter-spacing."
14:29:58 <xfq> ... so we don't have to keep updating the text in every repo
14:30:09 <xfq> ... we just need to update one repo
14:30:27 <xfq> ... it's quite interesting
14:30:46 <xfq> ... i've been going through the issues
14:30:56 <xfq> ... I'll continue to do that
14:31:47 <xfq> r12a: you start with the lefthand side of the project
14:31:59 <xfq> addison: do you have links to specs bugs
14:32:06 <xfq> ... like CSS, for example
14:32:19 <xfq> s/specs/spec/
14:32:30 <xfq> r12a: yes
14:32:37 <xfq> ... but we add that manually
14:33:40 <xfq> xfq: x:css-content in https://github.com/w3c/sealreq/issues/39
14:34:10 <xfq> r12a: i wonder if i need a css label
14:34:20 <xfq> ... in addition to css-content, css-text etc.
14:34:37 <xfq> addison: do we have tracker issues?
14:34:41 <xfq> r12a: yes
14:34:55 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-activity/textlayout/
14:35:07 <xfq> addison: just as long as it doesn't fly under our radar
14:35:11 <xfq> ... we can discover it
14:36:08 <xfq> r12a: the review tracker is about WG issues
14:36:17 <xfq> ... this tracker is about language enablement issues
14:37:12 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:37:12 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- epub -- taken up [from addison]
14:37:34 <atsushi> scribenick: atsushi
14:37:52 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/1629
14:38:02 <atsushi> xfq: I have a few issues need confirmation by group, resolved or not
14:38:09 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/1646/files
14:38:21 <atsushi> ... 1st, review issue, WG edited and raised PR
14:38:41 <atsushi> ... for length of path names
14:39:18 <atsushi> ... no specific behavior
14:40:33 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/core/#sec-container-filenames
14:40:54 <atsushi> r12a: could be from legacy system's constraints
14:41:00 <atsushi> addison: three points
14:41:20 <atsushi> ... path should be UTF-8, could have bunch of restrictions
14:42:02 <atsushi> ... if UTF-8 multibytes encoding, with long character, what will happen for mid-character truncation
14:42:11 <atsushi> r12a: truncation should be another issue?
14:42:36 <atsushi> addison: RS could stop processing at some truncated point?
14:43:16 <atsushi> jck: character allocation could happen in in various places,
14:44:05 <atsushi> ... truncated characters could happen in somewhere [....]
14:44:35 <atsushi> ... truncation by system could happen, and stored as truncated could happen
14:45:05 <atsushi> [talks and what happened from old histories and systems...]
14:45:49 <atsushi> addison: I don't have issue on limitation, but how to handle truncated ones
14:46:05 <atsushi> r12a: could not find any text about truncated text in spec
14:46:26 <atsushi> ... another sentence or note states, on mid-character cut
14:47:12 <atsushi> addison: text should state truncation should not occur on in-mid-of-character
14:47:40 <atsushi> r12a: this is for truncation by application, longer than 255 bytes
14:47:52 <xfq> +1
14:47:52 <atsushi> ... and in the middle of character
14:47:59 <atsushi> xfq: seems good
14:48:11 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/1647
14:48:17 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/1647/files
14:48:21 <xfq> https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/core/#sec-container-filenames
14:48:39 <atsushi> xfq: next one is 'Group non characters in character restrictions', on various unicode code points and their restrictions
14:49:24 <atsushi> ... they removed mention about arabic presentation form A, all unicode non-characters, BMP, supplimentaly planes. (see detail in PR)
14:49:42 <atsushi> addison: national flags in emojis?
14:49:55 <atsushi> r12a: really used?
14:50:06 <atsushi> addison: to be used as country indicator?
14:50:19 <atsushi> xfq: didn't mention about that code points
14:50:31 <atsushi> addison: I can take action
14:51:10 <atsushi> xfq: they opened PR on typos, presentation form A, etc.
14:51:32 <atsushi> addison: seems reasonal (on PR)
14:51:38 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/1648
14:51:58 <atsushi> xfq: last issue, on char-mod related, which was discussed two weeks before, case folding and nomalization
14:51:58 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/1648/files
14:52:27 <xfq> https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/core/#sec-container-filenames
14:52:29 <atsushi> ... they changed with referring unicode TR#15, charmod-norm
14:52:48 <atsushi> ... in the last paragraph of a link, right before note
14:52:51 <atsushi> addison: +1
14:52:54 <atsushi> david: +1
14:53:27 <atsushi> addison: not wanted to be referenced charmod-norm, since it's not in rec-track
14:54:42 <atsushi> [something on editing progress on charmod-norm]
14:55:07 <atsushi> addison: works, except for edge cases
14:55:27 <atsushi> ... they normalize and case fold
14:55:47 <atsushi> xfq: any idea for proposal
14:56:06 <atsushi> addison: propose to use our update under consideration
14:56:17 <atsushi> ... after this meeting, document should be out
14:57:01 <atsushi> r12a: need to write charmod-norm with updated text first, before sending a comment to them
14:57:11 <atsushi> addison: will do editing
14:57:49 <atsushi> xfq: should publish charmod-norm to /TR/
14:58:00 <atsushi> addison: probably next week or so
14:59:09 <addison> Topic: AOB?
14:59:24 <atsushi> addison: refund 30sec to all!
14:59:44 <xfq> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:59:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/13-i18n-minutes.html xfq
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15:00:04 <addison> zakim, bye
15:00:05 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Fuqiao, David, JcK, Atsushi, Richard
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