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11:52:39 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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12:04:49 <kaz> Chair: Sebastian
12:05:10 <mlagally> scribenick: mlagally
12:05:11 <kaz> scribenick: mlagally
12:05:15 <mlagally> :-)
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12:05:27 <kaz> s/:-)//
12:05:53 <dsr_> https://www.ngiot.eu/event/ngiot-thematic-workshop-health-and-care/
12:05:59 <kaz> q?
12:06:07 <kaz> q+
12:06:15 <mlagally> dr: I have been asked to present WoT at the https://www.ngiot.eu/event/ngiot-thematic-workshop-health-and-care/ meeting
12:06:19 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
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12:06:44 <mlagally> Relationship between edge computing and WoT
12:06:48 <kaz> i/I have/topic: Agenda bashing/
12:06:57 <mlagally> ...  focus on healthcare
12:07:16 <mlagally> s/Relationship/... Relationship/
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12:07:24 <mlagally> kaz: add this topic to marketing?
12:07:38 <mlagally> dr: meeting is already next Tuesday
12:07:38 <kaz> ack k
12:07:43 <dsr_> Dave has been asked to present WoT in relation to Edge computing for health & care
12:07:52 <dsr_> next Tuesday
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12:08:11 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:08:24 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:09:14 <mlagally> mccool: there are some agenda topics that are interesting to newcomers, were just copied over
12:09:35 <mlagally> sk: MKoster has rejoined as invided expert
12:09:41 <kaz> i/there are/topic: Guests and Invited Experts/
12:09:52 <mlagally> mk: Started working at company "Passive Logic"
12:10:37 <mlagally> ... chief ontologist, information model, we build an industrial control system using digital twins
12:11:15 <mlagally> sk: welcome back
12:11:23 <kaz> q?
12:11:24 <kaz> q+
12:11:45 <kaz> ack k
12:11:52 <mlagally> kaz: Koster, let's please discuss about possible membership later
12:11:57 <mlagally> mk: sure
12:12:25 <kaz> q+
12:12:42 <mlagally> sk: New member from Schaeffler, they have a 6 months trial membership
12:13:00 <mlagally> ... will ask him to introduce when he's here
12:13:30 <mlagally> kaz: I created a dedicated mailing list for invited experts, we can use this list for general information
12:13:32 <mlagally> q+
12:14:08 <kaz> s/information/information like webex coordinate/
12:14:26 <mlagally> ack k
12:14:28 <mlagally> ack m
12:14:41 <mlagally> topic: minutes
12:15:22 <kaz> i/mailing list/mailing list, <group-wot-ie@w3.org>, /
12:15:41 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/05-wot-minutes.html May-5
12:15:57 <mlagally> sk: (walks through the minutes)
12:18:28 <kaz> q+
12:22:52 <kaz> ack k
12:23:36 <mlagally> ... No objections, minutes are approved
12:23:45 <mlagally> topic: quick updates on events
12:24:02 <mlagally> mmc: Linked Data signatures WG
12:24:34 <mlagally> ... we worked on a PR for signatures, there's also this WG charter being proposed
12:24:54 <mlagally> ... I summarized our work, suggested what we would like to see in terms of convergence
12:25:11 <mlagally> ... Their charter refers WoT, they want to collaborate
12:25:24 <kaz> s/quick updates on events/Linked Data Signatures WG Proposed Charter/
12:25:48 <mlagally> ... we need to proceed and potentially align later with their standard
12:26:28 <kaz> i|Linked Data sig|-> https://github.com/w3c/lds-wg-charter/issues/78 McCool's support on the lds-wg-charter repo|
12:26:46 <mlagally> ... Currently we state "we are discussing", can we make this "supports"
12:26:54 <mlagally> ... what do people think?
12:26:55 <mlagally> q+
12:27:22 <kaz> i|Linked Data sig|-> https://w3c.github.io/lds-wg-charter/index.html proposed draft Charter|
12:27:27 <mlagally> sk: this is important technology, would be nice if it would be available
12:28:44 <kaz> q+
12:28:47 <kaz> ack ml
12:29:36 <mlagally> ml: their timeline is long, their charter goes until Sept 2023
12:30:06 <mlagally> ... we should ask for initial input for our draft
12:31:27 <sebastian> proposal: the group decide to change  the titel of issue https://github.com/w3c/lds-wg-charter/issues/78 to "Web of Things (WoT) WG supports the W3C LDS WG"
12:32:01 <kaz> s|proposal:|kaz: agree to support this work. regarding concrete relationship/dependency between our specs and their specs, we need to talk with PLH, etc., later, though|
12:32:34 <sebastian> resolution: the group decide to change  the titel of issue https://github.com/w3c/lds-wg-charter/issues/78 to "W3C Web of Things (WoT) WG supports the W3C LDS WG"
12:32:44 <mlagally> mmc: I'm asking for group endorsement, you could also do company endorsement
12:33:31 <mlagally> sk: This is similar to JSON-LD 1.1, work in parallel and have close exchange
12:34:35 <kaz> topic: Smart Cities Workshop
12:34:38 <kaz> q+
12:34:44 <mlagally> sk: smart city workshop planned for June, deadline is June
12:35:48 <mlagally> kaz: We have 3 submissions from the WoT group - As I mentioned from the program committee mailing list, we can invite other speakers
12:36:00 <kaz> i|smart|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/ CfP|
12:36:11 <kaz> ack k
12:36:55 <mlagally> sk: there may be one more proposal from BMW
12:37:08 <kaz> s/speakers/speakers. so please let us know if you believe anybody to be invited./
12:37:17 <mlagally> topic: NGIOT Workshop
12:37:24 <dsr_> https://www.ngiot.eu/event/ngiot-thematic-workshop-health-and-care/
12:37:42 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
12:37:52 <kaz> s|and-care|and-care workshop page|
12:37:58 <dsr_> Invited by Rolf Riemenschneider Head of sector Iot CNECT
12:38:37 <kaz> q+
12:39:04 <mlagally> dsr: Please send me links to recent slide decks I can present
12:39:12 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/PRESENTATIONS/2021-03-online-f2f preso for march f2f
12:39:20 <mlagally> kaz: Check the presentation area of the last F2F
12:39:53 <mlagally> dsr: I searched via web page, looked for material there
12:40:06 <mlagally> sk: we plan for that, will discuss in marketing
12:40:49 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/PRESENTATIONS/2021-03-online-f2f/2021-03-15-WoT-F2F-Summary-McCool.pdf
12:40:55 <mlagally> ... it would be interesting to have more healthcare use cases, could input from other people
12:41:06 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/WoT/documentation/
12:41:21 <mlagally> dr: We could invite gatekeeper project members
12:42:42 <dsr_> Gatekeeper project on applying WoT to healthcare and linking WoT with HL7's FHIR standard for medical records
12:42:53 <kaz> [Soumya's project was "IntellioT"]
12:43:02 <mlagally> sk: Soumya also presented in yesterday's UC call about the EU project he's working on
12:43:20 <mlagally> dr: Will check who in the gatekeeper project can present
12:43:27 <dsr_> hence interest in binding templates for integrating FHIR within TD's
12:43:41 <mlagally> sk: let's use the use case call for that
12:43:55 <mlagally> ml: yes, let's use this as the channel
12:44:29 <mlagally> mmc: cannot chair the plugfest call today, ege can you please take over?
12:44:50 <kaz> i/cannot/topic: Testfest planning/
12:45:08 <mlagally> ege: can host the call for 30 mins
12:45:22 <mlagally> topic: F2F planning
12:45:36 <sebastian> https://doodle.com/poll/p7dher5i2umr4ap8
12:45:50 <mlagally> sk: Please provide your options
12:45:58 <kaz> q+
12:46:10 <mlagally> ... Skeleton of the F2F Wiki page is available at:
12:46:35 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_June_2021#Virtual_F2F
12:47:17 <mlagally> kaz: plugfest Wiki - WebEx is already allocated for the plug fest part
12:47:32 <kaz> i|cannot|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_June_2021#Testfest Testfest wiki|
12:47:41 <mlagally> topic: document status
12:47:49 <kaz> i|cannot|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2021.06.Online Testfest repo|
12:48:07 <mlagally> TD is in review, call for resolution to publish on May 19th, please review and provide comments
12:48:14 <kaz> i/https/-> https/
12:48:25 <kaz> s/Virtual_F2F/Virtual_F2F vF2F wiki/
12:48:31 <kaz> ack k
12:48:47 <mlagally> ... Use Cases document, transition request is approved, will be published tomorrow
12:49:47 <kaz> q?
12:50:09 <mlagally> kaz: I have created the static version, will publish tomorrow
12:50:49 <mlagally> ml: Thanks to all contributors and to co-editors McCool, Matsukura and Mizushima
12:51:00 <mlagally> topic: Liaisons
12:51:25 <mlagally> mmc: ITU-T will meet and get back to us on our Liaison letter
12:51:46 <mlagally> kaz: Echonet, they are still working, will ping in a while
12:52:02 <kaz> i|created|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-usecases/publication/1-fpign/index.html static HTML for publication|
12:52:06 <mlagally> kaz: IEC CDD - Update next Monday
12:52:09 <kaz> q?
12:52:18 <kaz> q+
12:52:39 <mlagally> dr: ECLASS: We need to make concrete proposal before we can present to Jeff
12:53:09 <kaz> ack k
12:53:21 <mlagally> kaz: submissions from ECLASS and OGC were made to Smart Cities workshop, we can also discuss there
12:53:43 <mlagally> mmc/mk: IETF: no update
12:54:17 <mlagally> sk: OPC/UA - waiting for feedback from OPC foundation on cooperation
12:54:54 <kaz> topic: TF reports
12:55:43 <mlagally> topic: TF reports
12:56:39 <mlagally> dape: Scripting: discussions about property operations, return values, ...
12:57:13 <mlagally> ... some systems have different types of return values that currently cannot be described in a TD
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12:57:56 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/193 is the issue daniel mentioned
12:57:56 <mlagally> mmc: Security: signature type discussion, only single type to minimize testing
12:58:17 <mlagally> mmc: discovery: 3 more calls until we have final draft, will go 2 hour meeings for next weeks
12:58:41 <mlagally> ... editor's draft has diverged significantly, several pending MRs
12:58:55 <mlagally> ... some proposals to refactor the API to make it more RESTful
12:59:05 <mlagally> ... need Ben to discuss and resolve
12:59:42 <mlagally> sk: DID should be considered in discovery?
13:00:37 <mlagally> mmc: there are proposed forms of DIDs, not fully fleshed out yet
13:01:04 <mlagally> sk: marketing: French version of subtitles is available, Spanish is coming next
13:02:49 <mlagally> ml: use cases: publication of 1.0 version, new UCs being submitted
13:04:55 <mlagally> ml: architecture: big step forward wrt profiles, clarified property semantics.
13:05:02 <mlagally> sk: aob?
13:05:55 <mlagally> tomorrow's architecture call will be cancelled due to a public holiday
13:06:01 <kaz> [main call adjourned; Plugfest call starts in 5 mins]
13:06:17 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:06:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:06:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
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