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12:48:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:48:32 <trackbot> Date: 12 May 2021
12:48:38 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:48:43 <jasonjgw> present+
12:49:33 <jasonjgw> agenda+ RAUR: Status.
12:49:53 <jasonjgw> agenda+ XAUR: open issues.
12:50:17 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of remote meetings.
12:50:36 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Media synchronization.
12:50:59 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Web of Things and Devices/Sensors use cases - introduction to topic.
12:51:19 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Joint working group meetings at TPAC 2021.
12:51:43 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Meeting with Immersive Captions Community Group.
12:52:17 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
12:52:17 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
12:52:18 <Zakim> 1. RAUR: Status. [from jasonjgw]
12:52:18 <Zakim> 2. XAUR: open issues. [from jasonjgw]
12:52:18 <Zakim> 3. Accessibility of remote meetings. [from jasonjgw]
12:52:18 <Zakim> 4. Media synchronization. [from jasonjgw]
12:52:18 <Zakim> 5. Web of Things and Devices/Sensors use cases - introduction to topic. [from jasonjgw]
12:52:19 <Zakim> 6. Joint working group meetings at TPAC 2021. [from jasonjgw]
12:52:19 <Zakim> 7. Meeting with Immersive Captions Community Group. [from jasonjgw]
12:59:32 <Joshue108> present+
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13:00:00 <janina> agenda?
13:00:07 <janina> present+
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13:02:10 <Joshue108> scribe: Joshue108
13:02:17 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:02:17 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- RAUR: Status. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:02:28 <Joshue108> JW: This is to discuss CFC
13:02:43 <Joshue108> Some favourable responses
13:02:57 <Joshue108> JS: Open till midnight Boston Friday
13:03:10 <scott_h> present+
13:03:12 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:03:12 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, jasonjgw
13:03:19 <Joshue108> zakim, take up next
13:03:19 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- XAUR: open issues. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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13:04:41 <jasonjgw> Josh: acknowledges that we need to publish a new working draft, or address the comments and proceed to publication. Josh is considering the schedule.
13:05:10 <SteveNoble> present+
13:05:39 <jasonjgw> Josh notes we have new user needs/requirements.
13:06:03 <jasonjgw> He also notes there aren't many outstanding issues at this point. We could address them in the coming weeks.
13:06:29 <Joshue108> JW: I think we can proceed on that basis that we will have a CFC shortly
13:06:43 <Joshue108> If we need another review we can add one.
13:06:46 <Joshue108> Reasonable?
13:06:52 <Joshue108> JOC: Sounds good
13:07:38 <jasonjgw> Josh is waiting for responses on several comments.
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13:09:07 <Joshue108> [New User Need] 4.20 Wayfinding - Review of XR Accessibility User Requirements COGA
13:09:18 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/180
13:10:17 <Joshue108> JS: Why mono?
13:10:27 <Joshue108> JS: Dont understand that? Why?
13:10:41 <Joshue108> For sign posts having spatial orientation is useful.
13:10:56 <Joshue108> JP: Espec for limited vision - you would need 3D sound?
13:11:04 <Joshue108> JB: What about hearing on one side?
13:11:08 <Judy> s/JS: Dont/JB: Don't/
13:11:25 <Joshue108> JS: That is a separate question.  This is listed as accomodation for vision
13:11:30 <Joshue108> I don't understand
13:11:36 <Joshue108> JOC: I'll follow up on that
13:11:46 <Joshue108> NEEDS INFO
13:12:03 <Joshue108> JS: Are bread crumbs needed? Is that useful?
13:12:13 <Joshue108> NEEDS INFO
13:12:47 <Joshue108> JB: May be useful in some environments, but not something that is found too much in gaming.
13:13:13 <Joshue108> There is a functional issue for people with spatial disorientation. Will that carry over into virtual space?
13:14:11 <Joshue108> There is also a NEEDS INFO request to COGA from me on this one
13:14:13 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/176
13:14:19 <Joshue108> 4.12 Does not provide enough information for actionable implementation [XAUR]
13:14:25 <Joshue108> Immersive time limits
13:15:14 <Joshue108> JW: This could be useful in some contexts but also dealt with by other means, portals etc
13:15:37 <Joshue108> JS: Why is this specificly useful for vision.
13:16:11 <Joshue108> JB: What if not just for vision? Something that they raised, multisensory etc.
13:16:21 <Joshue108> JS: Yes - it may be
13:16:35 <Joshue108> Could be a series of reasons.
13:17:47 <Judy> q+
13:19:08 <Joshue108> JB: Regarding https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/176 I can thinks of lots of reasons why this is valid.
13:19:11 <janina> q+ to note that we have a technological solution with MQ5
13:20:15 <Joshue108> acj judy
13:20:18 <Joshue108> ack judy
13:20:27 <Joshue108> ack jan
13:20:27 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to note that we have a technological solution with MQ5
13:20:51 <Joshue108> JS: Regarding Gottfrieds students preso, this showed us a solution
13:21:03 <Joshue108> Via Media Queries 5 - we can control that.
13:21:28 <Joshue108> JB: The Immersive Captions CG may also have some useful research.
13:22:30 <Joshue108> [New User Need] 4.21 Understanding Actionable Targets - Review of XR Accessibility User Requirements COGA #181
13:22:36 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/181
13:22:57 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/6d5bf713d9d7c65ecda104c213ad47b0e98cfbe1/xaur/index.html#interaction-and-target-customization
13:24:04 <Joshue108> JOC: Read out the new suggested need etc
13:24:21 <janina> q+
13:24:23 <Joshue108> JW: In the 'real world' e'thing is touchable and actionable.
13:24:46 <Joshue108> SH: Is this covered by character sets?
13:24:56 <Joshue108> q+ to talk about affordances
13:25:17 <Joshue108> SH: There is already indication that something is a target, for personalisation this is covered  already.
13:25:24 <Joshue108> ack jan
13:25:35 <Joshue108> JS: There is semantic confusion here, about how words are used
13:25:53 <Joshue108> JS: They may mean the palette of controls by which you can do something to a target.
13:26:00 <Joshue108> SH: Already covered.
13:26:06 <Joshue108> ack me
13:26:06 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to talk about affordances
13:26:11 <janina> ack ja
13:27:28 <Joshue108> JOC: What do you mean by palette of controls?
13:27:47 <Joshue108> JS: Actionable items etc like in a browser radio buttons, sliders etc
13:28:06 <Joshue108> JOC: Does this relate to the translation of affordances?
13:28:20 <Joshue108> JS: Gives a medical example.
13:28:54 <Joshue108> JW: <reexplains for Josh>
13:29:30 <Joshue108> JW: I think some things do need to made conspicuous
13:30:33 <Joshue108> JOC: I think there is a potential need here.
13:30:40 <Joshue108> JS: Agreed but it is not clear,
13:30:50 <Joshue108> JOC: I'll take an action for more info on this.
13:31:04 <Joshue108> NEEDS INFO
13:31:44 <Joshue108> SH: I'm not clear of how this would be implemented?
13:32:00 <Joshue108> JOC: This is covered to some degree already, a la Personalisation AAC etc
13:32:12 <Joshue108> JW: We need more detail on the use cases.
13:32:13 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:32:13 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Accessibility of remote meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:32:46 <Joshue108> SH: We have been working on this, thanks for suggestions etc
13:32:56 <Joshue108> <Go Notepad>
13:33:11 <Joshue108> SH: Wording has been tightened
13:33:34 <Joshue108> We have clarified some key points, definitions on Hybrid meetings
13:33:54 <Joshue108> We have outlined sections, issues - there are 5 sections.
13:34:01 <Joshue108> <Gives over view of structure>
13:34:52 <Joshue108> SH: We relate much of it to existing W3C guidance.
13:35:25 <Joshue108> There is a new section in this draft, hosting an accessible hybrid meeting.
13:35:39 <Joshue108> Still Work in Progress - looking forward to feedback.
13:36:16 <Joshue108> JB: I'd like to mention some new things I've added.
13:36:37 <Joshue108> Would like a more indepth discussion soon, when we have gone through backlog.
13:36:56 <Joshue108> JB: Question around structure and presentation.
13:37:34 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Accessibility_of_Remote_Meetings:_Structured_Draft
13:38:11 <Joshue108> There are placeholders for some new things..
13:38:34 <Joshue108> Such as W3C is starting to look at accessible virtual meeting platforms
13:39:04 <Joshue108> s/virtual meeting /virtual conferences
13:39:18 <Joshue108> JB: I'll update that.
13:39:27 <Joshue108> Also a new section on working with vendors to improve a11y
13:39:59 <Joshue108> JB: Reactions to these?
13:40:15 <Joshue108> q?
13:40:42 <Joshue108> JW: Seems like a chance for W3C members to look at their platforms a11y support.
13:41:18 <Joshue108> JOC: Sounds like a good direction.
13:41:38 <Joshue108> JB: Scott and I have been discussing hybrid meetings
13:41:52 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Accessibility_of_Remote_Meetings:_Structured_Draft#Holding_accessible_hybrid_meetings
13:42:04 <janina> q+
13:42:14 <Joshue108> JB: Where virtual and real meetings can interface correctly.
13:43:21 <Joshue108> JB: Any ideas on the hybrid meetings?
13:43:38 <Joshue108> JS: Yes, It is important to look at what tech resources are available.
13:43:54 <Joshue108> You can treat e'one there as if they are remote.
13:44:03 <Judy> ack j
13:44:12 <Judy> q+
13:44:31 <Joshue108> There are also solutions that will keep the camera on who is talking, and move the focus accordingly - as well as only pipe the active content down the wire.
13:44:49 <Joshue108> SH: <Gives overview of experience with hybrid meetings>
13:45:05 <Joshue108> SH: There are challenges.
13:45:29 <Joshue108> JB: This is great feedback.
13:45:53 <Joshue108> <Gives over view of hybrid meeting in Seattle for Inclusive Web etc>
13:47:04 <Joshue108> q?
13:47:26 <Joshue108> JB: THere is a big section of unprocessed comments
13:48:13 <Joshue108> JB: The language needs to be regularised - here is what you need to know.
13:48:19 <Joshue108> Then we need review/vetting.
13:49:01 <Joshue108> JW: I'm happy to review after next round.
13:49:36 <Joshue108> JB: Anyone else?
13:50:05 <Joshue108> JW: With hybrid meetings we also need to look at captions etc
13:50:05 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:50:05 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jasonjgw
13:50:16 <Judy> ack j
13:50:19 <Joshue108> zakim, take up next
13:50:19 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Media synchronization. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:51:01 <Joshue108> JW: This may be a discussion for later. Janina has suggested that this move towards a NOTE track deliverable.
13:51:08 <Joshue108> JS: Very much
13:51:35 <Joshue108> There is value here - the wiki would be useful but better elevated to NOTE status.
13:52:17 <Joshue108> JW: Ok, it can evolve on the wiki and can be moved later.
13:52:50 <Joshue108> JS: Anyone concerned?
13:53:31 <Joshue108> <crickets>
13:53:44 <Joshue108> JS: I'll follow up with APA
13:53:46 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:53:46 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Web of Things and Devices/Sensors use cases - introduction to topic. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:54:24 <Joshue108> JW: This is coming via APA - we can note this but discuss later.
13:54:41 <Joshue108> JS: This came up in APA a la our new work etc
13:55:01 <SteveNoble> have to jump off to prep for my next meeting
13:55:07 <Joshue108> I'd like RQTF to see if we can identify a11y specific applications for some devices and sensors.
13:55:15 <Joshue108> Similar to WoT request
13:55:42 <Joshue108> JS: Is there an a11y use case that we should cover?
13:55:56 <Joshue108> There is a WG being rechartered.
13:56:12 <Joshue108> Can we take some time soon to explore?
13:56:58 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:56:58 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Joint working group meetings at TPAC 2021. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:57:19 <Joshue108> JW: We have to start thinking on this.
13:57:55 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 7
13:57:55 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Meeting with Immersive Captions Community Group. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:58:22 <Joshue108> JB: I'll co-ordinate necessary supports
13:58:54 <Joshue108> JW: We can find tune agenda etc - then circulate meeting etc
13:59:36 <Joshue108> zakim, list attendees
13:59:36 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, Joshue, John_Paton, janina, scott_h, SteveNoble
13:59:43 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:59:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/12-rqtf-minutes.html Joshue108
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