IRC log of wot-uc on 2021-05-11

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12:04:43 [kaz]
Meeting: WoT Use Cases
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Soumya_Kanti_Datta, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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present+ Michael_McCool
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present+ Michael_Lagally
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topic: Publication preparation
12:16:03 [kaz]
mm: we should create a branch to fix the current content for publication
12:16:07 [kaz]
kaz: +1
12:16:17 [kaz]
ml: ok
12:16:23 [kaz]
... let's do that offline
12:16:44 [kaz]
topic: Previous minutes
12:17:21 [kaz]
kaz: 3 minutes to be reviewed
12:17:30 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/2021/03/09-wot-uc-minutes.html Mar-9
12:17:55 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/2021/04/13-wot-uc-minutes.html Apr-13
12:18:10 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/04-wot-uc-minutes.html May-4
12:18:28 [kaz]
ml: any problems with Mar-9 ones?
12:18:29 [kaz]
(none)
12:18:36 [kaz]
ml: what about Apr-13?
12:19:25 [kaz]
... discussion on the ITU-T liaison
12:19:59 [kaz]
... any concerns?
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(none)
12:21:45 [kaz]
ml: then May-4
12:22:43 [kaz]
... anything to be changed?
12:23:24 [kaz]
(none)
12:23:34 [kaz]
[all the three minutes approved
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s/approved/approved]/
12:24:44 [kaz]
topic: wot-security issue 168
12:25:00 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/168 wot-security issue 168 - Add "Security and Privacy Considerations" to all use cases (or requirements)
12:25:12 [kaz]
mm: I should set a standard for this purpose
12:25:46 [kaz]
... for the security/privacy questions
12:26:06 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/168#issuecomment-836667052 Security/Privacy questions
12:26:24 [kaz]
ml: seems some of the questions are kind of abstract
12:27:00 [kaz]
... what should the Editors consider?
12:27:05 [kaz]
mm: depends on the use cases
12:27:43 [kaz]
ml: we should clarify our expectations for the guideline
12:28:04 [kaz]
mm: yes, and the next step should be generating a concrete PR for the text
12:28:34 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/84 related issue 84 on the wot-usecases side
12:28:49 [kaz]
ml: (adds a comment to Issue 84)
12:29:04 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/84#issuecomment-838389145 Lagally's comment
12:29:50 [kaz]
topic: Issue 45
12:30:01 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/45 Issue 45 - Review EdgeX Architecture
12:30:09 [kaz]
mm: what do they need is a question
12:30:54 [kaz]
... for the possible hub section within the WoT Architecture spec
12:31:10 [sebastian]
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sorry, I have to go.
12:31:33 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/585 related wot-architecutre issue
12:32:05 [kaz]
s/wot-architecutre issue/wot-architecture issue 585 - Architectural patterns: Introduce star(hub) vs. p2p section/
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s/sorry, I have to go.//
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12:33:11 [kaz]
ml: (adds comments to wot-usecases issue 45)
12:34:30 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/45#issuecomment-838396050 Lagally's comments
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topic: ITU-T liaison
12:35:17 [kaz]
mm: we sent a liaison statement suggesting we have a dedicated meeting with their experts
12:35:44 [kaz]
... they'll have their meeting on May 17-27
12:35:53 [kaz]
... to discuss our proposal
12:36:33 [kaz]
-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2021May/0012.html Kaz's liaison letter
12:38:04 [kaz]
mm: note that there is another discussion on a potential group for JSON-LD Signature
12:38:09 [kaz]
ml: a W3C group?
12:38:11 [kaz]
mm: yes
12:38:46 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/262 Linked Data Signature Charter proposal
12:39:18 [kaz]
mm: do we want to have a TD signature?
12:40:09 [kaz]
ml: (shows the draft proposed Charter)
12:40:22 [kaz]
-> https://w3c.github.io/lds-wg-charter/index.html Proposed Linked Data Signatures Working Group Charter
12:40:25 [mlagally]
https://w3c.github.io/lds-wg-charter/index.html
12:41:07 [kaz]
ml: (skims the proposed Charter)
12:42:21 [kaz]
... we should look at their expected timeline as well
12:42:29 [kaz]
mm: absolutely
12:43:09 [kaz]
... the timing when they'll produce what would be related to our future work as well
12:43:36 [kaz]
topic: Use Case proposal from Soumya
12:45:00 [kaz]
kaz: are the slides publicly available?
12:45:17 [kaz]
soumya: yes, and will send them to you all
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... [Concepts and Use cases]
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... [EU Project Participants]
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... [NG IoT Use Cases]
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s/Concepts/IntellioT - Concepts/
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... [Concept]
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... high-level concept here
12:46:41 [kaz]
... IoT applications on the left side
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... computation, communication infrastructure on the right side
12:47:30 [kaz]
... using AR/VR technology for human interfaces
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... Eurocom is providing 5G connection
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s/Eurocom/Eurecom/
12:48:12 [kaz]
... [Use case 1: Agriculture]
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... [Use cas 2: Healthcare]
12:48:49 [kaz]
... most important use case for WoT, I think
12:49:20 [kaz]
... the patients are equipped with some wearable devices
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q+
12:50:40 [kaz]
... this use case is very important to WoT because it includes various aspects for WoT
12:50:54 [kaz]
q-
12:50:57 [McCool]
q+
12:51:08 [kaz]
q+ to mention the upcoming smart cities workshop later
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... [Use case 3: Manufacturing]
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... orchestration of multiple devices including robots
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... robot may encounter a thing which it have never seen yet
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... so human operator can add support
12:53:03 [kaz]
... would like to generate descriptions for WoT Use Cases
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... any questions?
12:53:30 [kaz]
ml: timeline?
12:53:38 [kaz]
soumya: shows a timeline
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... [Planned Work]
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... start in Oct 2020
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... End-user workshop 1: 3-4 2021
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... open call 1: 10 2021
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... use case demos 1: Feb 2022
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s/10 2021/Oct 2021/
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s/3-4/Mar-Apr/
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... end-user workshop 2: May-Jun 2022
12:55:38 [kaz]
... open call 2: Oct 2022
12:55:57 [kaz]
mm: there is an existing use case description for edge computing and smart cities, etc.
12:56:03 [kaz]
... please look into them
12:56:27 [kaz]
... learning from the actual situation is interesting
12:56:56 [kaz]
... web workers, etc., for edge computing might be also interesting to you
12:57:25 [kaz]
... low-latency with reliability for robot is important
12:57:48 [kaz]
ml: we have existing use cases as McCool mentioned
12:58:14 [kaz]
... would be important for you to look into them and think about orthogonal proposals
12:58:20 [kaz]
q+
12:58:23 [kaz]
ack m
12:58:42 [kaz]
mm: use cases are written from the users' view
12:59:03 [kaz]
kaz: @@@
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-> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/index.html cfp
12:59:42 [kaz]
ack k
12:59:42 [Zakim]
kaz, you wanted to mention the upcoming smart cities workshop later and to
13:00:00 [kaz]
ml: let's talk about the horizontal use cases and requirements
13:00:24 [kaz]
... please put down what are in your mind
13:00:36 [kaz]
... AOB?
13:00:42 [kaz]
(none)
13:00:56 [kaz]
ml: thanks a lot for your proposals, Soumya!
13:01:57 [kaz]
... the next Use Cases call will be held in 2 weeks on May 25
13:02:23 [kaz]
... btw, due to the holiday in Germany, the Architecture call on May 13 will be cancelled
13:02:31 [kaz]
... will send a notice about that
13:02:33 [kaz]
[adjourned]
13:04:02 [kaz]
s/@@@/agree with McCool and Lagally. you can generate several possible use cases from the viewpoints of users and industries first, and then generate some more horizontal/technical use cases and requirements based on those initial use cases./
13:04:08 [kaz]
rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/11-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
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