12:04:37 RRSAgent has joined #wot-uc 12:04:37 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/05/11-wot-uc-irc 12:04:43 Meeting: WoT Use Cases 12:05:00 McCool has joined #wot-uc 12:05:02 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Soumya_Kanti_Datta, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:06:03 present+ Michael_McCool 12:08:33 mlagally has joined #wot-uc 12:11:00 present+ Michael_Lagally 12:15:44 topic: Publication preparation 12:16:03 mm: we should create a branch to fix the current content for publication 12:16:07 kaz: +1 12:16:17 ml: ok 12:16:23 ... let's do that offline 12:16:44 topic: Previous minutes 12:17:21 kaz: 3 minutes to be reviewed 12:17:30 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/03/09-wot-uc-minutes.html Mar-9 12:17:55 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/04/13-wot-uc-minutes.html Apr-13 12:18:10 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/04-wot-uc-minutes.html May-4 12:18:28 ml: any problems with Mar-9 ones? 12:18:29 (none) 12:18:36 ml: what about Apr-13? 12:19:25 ... discussion on the ITU-T liaison 12:19:59 ... any concerns? 12:20:00 (none) 12:21:45 ml: then May-4 12:22:43 ... anything to be changed? 12:23:24 (none) 12:23:34 [all the three minutes approved 12:23:38 s/approved/approved]/ 12:24:44 topic: wot-security issue 168 12:25:00 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/168 wot-security issue 168 - Add "Security and Privacy Considerations" to all use cases (or requirements) 12:25:12 mm: I should set a standard for this purpose 12:25:46 ... for the security/privacy questions 12:26:06 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/168#issuecomment-836667052 Security/Privacy questions 12:26:24 ml: seems some of the questions are kind of abstract 12:27:00 ... what should the Editors consider? 12:27:05 mm: depends on the use cases 12:27:43 ml: we should clarify our expectations for the guideline 12:28:04 mm: yes, and the next step should be generating a concrete PR for the text 12:28:34 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/84 related issue 84 on the wot-usecases side 12:28:49 ml: (adds a comment to Issue 84) 12:29:04 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/84#issuecomment-838389145 Lagally's comment 12:29:50 topic: Issue 45 12:30:01 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/45 Issue 45 - Review EdgeX Architecture 12:30:09 mm: what do they need is a question 12:30:54 ... for the possible hub section within the WoT Architecture spec 12:31:10 sebastian has joined #wot-uc 12:31:24 sorry, I have to go. 12:31:33 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/585 related wot-architecutre issue 12:32:05 s/wot-architecutre issue/wot-architecture issue 585 - Architectural patterns: Introduce star(hub) vs. p2p section/ 12:32:30 s/sorry, I have to go.// 12:32:42 (Sebastian leaves) 12:33:11 ml: (adds comments to wot-usecases issue 45) 12:34:30 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/45#issuecomment-838396050 Lagally's comments 12:34:54 topic: ITU-T liaison 12:35:17 mm: we sent a liaison statement suggesting we have a dedicated meeting with their experts 12:35:44 ... they'll have their meeting on May 17-27 12:35:53 ... to discuss our proposal 12:36:33 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2021May/0012.html Kaz's liaison letter 12:38:04 mm: note that there is another discussion on a potential group for JSON-LD Signature 12:38:09 ml: a W3C group? 12:38:11 mm: yes 12:38:46 -> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/262 Linked Data Signature Charter proposal 12:39:18 mm: do we want to have a TD signature? 12:40:09 ml: (shows the draft proposed Charter) 12:40:22 -> https://w3c.github.io/lds-wg-charter/index.html Proposed Linked Data Signatures Working Group Charter 12:40:25 https://w3c.github.io/lds-wg-charter/index.html 12:41:07 ml: (skims the proposed Charter) 12:42:21 ... we should look at their expected timeline as well 12:42:29 mm: absolutely 12:43:09 ... the timing when they'll produce what would be related to our future work as well 12:43:36 topic: Use Case proposal from Soumya 12:45:00 kaz: are the slides publicly available? 12:45:17 soumya: yes, and will send them to you all 12:45:30 ... [Concepts and Use cases] 12:45:41 ... [EU Project Participants] 12:45:47 ... [NG IoT Use Cases] 12:46:09 s/Concepts/IntellioT - Concepts/ 12:46:18 ... [Concept] 12:46:27 ... high-level concept here 12:46:41 ... IoT applications on the left side 12:47:08 ... computation, communication infrastructure on the right side 12:47:30 ... using AR/VR technology for human interfaces 12:47:49 ... Eurocom is providing 5G connection 12:48:00 s/Eurocom/Eurecom/ 12:48:12 ... [Use case 1: Agriculture] 12:48:40 ... [Use cas 2: Healthcare] 12:48:49 ... most important use case for WoT, I think 12:49:20 ... the patients are equipped with some wearable devices 12:49:54 q+ 12:50:40 ... this use case is very important to WoT because it includes various aspects for WoT 12:50:54 q- 12:50:57 q+ 12:51:08 q+ to mention the upcoming smart cities workshop later 12:51:22 ... [Use case 3: Manufacturing] 12:51:38 ... orchestration of multiple devices including robots 12:52:16 ... robot may encounter a thing which it have never seen yet 12:52:33 ... so human operator can add support 12:53:03 ... would like to generate descriptions for WoT Use Cases 12:53:24 ... any questions? 12:53:30 ml: timeline? 12:53:38 soumya: shows a timeline 12:53:47 ... [Planned Work] 12:53:59 ... start in Oct 2020 12:54:29 ... End-user workshop 1: 3-4 2021 12:54:38 ... open call 1: 10 2021 12:54:56 ... use case demos 1: Feb 2022 12:55:02 s/10 2021/Oct 2021/ 12:55:07 s/3-4/Mar-Apr/ 12:55:25 ... end-user workshop 2: May-Jun 2022 12:55:38 ... open call 2: Oct 2022 12:55:57 mm: there is an existing use case description for edge computing and smart cities, etc. 12:56:03 ... please look into them 12:56:27 ... learning from the actual situation is interesting 12:56:56 ... web workers, etc., for edge computing might be also interesting to you 12:57:25 ... low-latency with reliability for robot is important 12:57:48 ml: we have existing use cases as McCool mentioned 12:58:14 ... would be important for you to look into them and think about orthogonal proposals 12:58:20 q+ 12:58:23 ack m 12:58:42 mm: use cases are written from the users' view 12:59:03 kaz: @@@ 12:59:22 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/index.html cfp 12:59:42 ack k 12:59:42 kaz, you wanted to mention the upcoming smart cities workshop later and to 13:00:00 ml: let's talk about the horizontal use cases and requirements 13:00:24 ... please put down what are in your mind 13:00:36 ... AOB? 13:00:42 (none) 13:00:56 ml: thanks a lot for your proposals, Soumya! 13:01:57 ... the next Use Cases call will be held in 2 weeks on May 25 13:02:23 ... btw, due to the holiday in Germany, the Architecture call on May 13 will be cancelled 13:02:31 ... will send a notice about that 13:02:33 [adjourned] 13:04:02 s/@@@/agree with McCool and Lagally. you can generate several possible use cases from the viewpoints of users and industries first, and then generate some more horizontal/technical use cases and requirements based on those initial use cases./ 13:04:08 rrsagent, make log public 13:04:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:04:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/11-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz 15:06:38 Zakim has left #wot-uc