IRC log of wot-uc on 2021-05-11
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/05/11-wot-uc-irc
- 12:04:43 [kaz]
- Meeting: WoT Use Cases
- 12:05:00 [McCool]
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Soumya_Kanti_Datta, Tomoaki_Mizushima
- 12:06:03 [kaz]
- present+ Michael_McCool
- 12:08:33 [mlagally]
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- 12:11:00 [kaz]
- present+ Michael_Lagally
- 12:15:44 [kaz]
- topic: Publication preparation
- 12:16:03 [kaz]
- mm: we should create a branch to fix the current content for publication
- 12:16:07 [kaz]
- kaz: +1
- 12:16:17 [kaz]
- ml: ok
- 12:16:23 [kaz]
- ... let's do that offline
- 12:16:44 [kaz]
- topic: Previous minutes
- 12:17:21 [kaz]
- kaz: 3 minutes to be reviewed
- 12:17:30 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2021/03/09-wot-uc-minutes.html Mar-9
- 12:17:55 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2021/04/13-wot-uc-minutes.html Apr-13
- 12:18:10 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/04-wot-uc-minutes.html May-4
- 12:18:28 [kaz]
- ml: any problems with Mar-9 ones?
- 12:18:29 [kaz]
- (none)
- 12:18:36 [kaz]
- ml: what about Apr-13?
- 12:19:25 [kaz]
- ... discussion on the ITU-T liaison
- 12:19:59 [kaz]
- ... any concerns?
- 12:20:00 [kaz]
- (none)
- 12:21:45 [kaz]
- ml: then May-4
- 12:22:43 [kaz]
- ... anything to be changed?
- 12:23:24 [kaz]
- (none)
- 12:23:34 [kaz]
- [all the three minutes approved
- 12:23:38 [kaz]
- s/approved/approved]/
- 12:24:44 [kaz]
- topic: wot-security issue 168
- 12:25:00 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/168 wot-security issue 168 - Add "Security and Privacy Considerations" to all use cases (or requirements)
- 12:25:12 [kaz]
- mm: I should set a standard for this purpose
- 12:25:46 [kaz]
- ... for the security/privacy questions
- 12:26:06 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/168#issuecomment-836667052 Security/Privacy questions
- 12:26:24 [kaz]
- ml: seems some of the questions are kind of abstract
- 12:27:00 [kaz]
- ... what should the Editors consider?
- 12:27:05 [kaz]
- mm: depends on the use cases
- 12:27:43 [kaz]
- ml: we should clarify our expectations for the guideline
- 12:28:04 [kaz]
- mm: yes, and the next step should be generating a concrete PR for the text
- 12:28:34 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/84 related issue 84 on the wot-usecases side
- 12:28:49 [kaz]
- ml: (adds a comment to Issue 84)
- 12:29:04 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/84#issuecomment-838389145 Lagally's comment
- 12:29:50 [kaz]
- topic: Issue 45
- 12:30:01 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/45 Issue 45 - Review EdgeX Architecture
- 12:30:09 [kaz]
- mm: what do they need is a question
- 12:30:54 [kaz]
- ... for the possible hub section within the WoT Architecture spec
- 12:31:10 [sebastian]
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- 12:31:24 [sebastian]
- sorry, I have to go.
- 12:31:33 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/585 related wot-architecutre issue
- 12:32:05 [kaz]
- s/wot-architecutre issue/wot-architecture issue 585 - Architectural patterns: Introduce star(hub) vs. p2p section/
- 12:32:30 [kaz]
- s/sorry, I have to go.//
- 12:32:42 [kaz]
- (Sebastian leaves)
- 12:33:11 [kaz]
- ml: (adds comments to wot-usecases issue 45)
- 12:34:30 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/45#issuecomment-838396050 Lagally's comments
- 12:34:54 [kaz]
- topic: ITU-T liaison
- 12:35:17 [kaz]
- mm: we sent a liaison statement suggesting we have a dedicated meeting with their experts
- 12:35:44 [kaz]
- ... they'll have their meeting on May 17-27
- 12:35:53 [kaz]
- ... to discuss our proposal
- 12:36:33 [kaz]
- -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2021May/0012.html Kaz's liaison letter
- 12:38:04 [kaz]
- mm: note that there is another discussion on a potential group for JSON-LD Signature
- 12:38:09 [kaz]
- ml: a W3C group?
- 12:38:11 [kaz]
- mm: yes
- 12:38:46 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/262 Linked Data Signature Charter proposal
- 12:39:18 [kaz]
- mm: do we want to have a TD signature?
- 12:40:09 [kaz]
- ml: (shows the draft proposed Charter)
- 12:40:22 [kaz]
- -> https://w3c.github.io/lds-wg-charter/index.html Proposed Linked Data Signatures Working Group Charter
- 12:40:25 [mlagally]
- https://w3c.github.io/lds-wg-charter/index.html
- 12:41:07 [kaz]
- ml: (skims the proposed Charter)
- 12:42:21 [kaz]
- ... we should look at their expected timeline as well
- 12:42:29 [kaz]
- mm: absolutely
- 12:43:09 [kaz]
- ... the timing when they'll produce what would be related to our future work as well
- 12:43:36 [kaz]
- topic: Use Case proposal from Soumya
- 12:45:00 [kaz]
- kaz: are the slides publicly available?
- 12:45:17 [kaz]
- soumya: yes, and will send them to you all
- 12:45:30 [kaz]
- ... [Concepts and Use cases]
- 12:45:41 [kaz]
- ... [EU Project Participants]
- 12:45:47 [kaz]
- ... [NG IoT Use Cases]
- 12:46:09 [kaz]
- s/Concepts/IntellioT - Concepts/
- 12:46:18 [kaz]
- ... [Concept]
- 12:46:27 [kaz]
- ... high-level concept here
- 12:46:41 [kaz]
- ... IoT applications on the left side
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- ... computation, communication infrastructure on the right side
- 12:47:30 [kaz]
- ... using AR/VR technology for human interfaces
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- ... Eurocom is providing 5G connection
- 12:48:00 [kaz]
- s/Eurocom/Eurecom/
- 12:48:12 [kaz]
- ... [Use case 1: Agriculture]
- 12:48:40 [kaz]
- ... [Use cas 2: Healthcare]
- 12:48:49 [kaz]
- ... most important use case for WoT, I think
- 12:49:20 [kaz]
- ... the patients are equipped with some wearable devices
- 12:49:54 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:50:40 [kaz]
- ... this use case is very important to WoT because it includes various aspects for WoT
- 12:50:54 [kaz]
- q-
- 12:50:57 [McCool]
- q+
- 12:51:08 [kaz]
- q+ to mention the upcoming smart cities workshop later
- 12:51:22 [kaz]
- ... [Use case 3: Manufacturing]
- 12:51:38 [kaz]
- ... orchestration of multiple devices including robots
- 12:52:16 [kaz]
- ... robot may encounter a thing which it have never seen yet
- 12:52:33 [kaz]
- ... so human operator can add support
- 12:53:03 [kaz]
- ... would like to generate descriptions for WoT Use Cases
- 12:53:24 [kaz]
- ... any questions?
- 12:53:30 [kaz]
- ml: timeline?
- 12:53:38 [kaz]
- soumya: shows a timeline
- 12:53:47 [kaz]
- ... [Planned Work]
- 12:53:59 [kaz]
- ... start in Oct 2020
- 12:54:29 [kaz]
- ... End-user workshop 1: 3-4 2021
- 12:54:38 [kaz]
- ... open call 1: 10 2021
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- ... use case demos 1: Feb 2022
- 12:55:02 [kaz]
- s/10 2021/Oct 2021/
- 12:55:07 [kaz]
- s/3-4/Mar-Apr/
- 12:55:25 [kaz]
- ... end-user workshop 2: May-Jun 2022
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- ... open call 2: Oct 2022
- 12:55:57 [kaz]
- mm: there is an existing use case description for edge computing and smart cities, etc.
- 12:56:03 [kaz]
- ... please look into them
- 12:56:27 [kaz]
- ... learning from the actual situation is interesting
- 12:56:56 [kaz]
- ... web workers, etc., for edge computing might be also interesting to you
- 12:57:25 [kaz]
- ... low-latency with reliability for robot is important
- 12:57:48 [kaz]
- ml: we have existing use cases as McCool mentioned
- 12:58:14 [kaz]
- ... would be important for you to look into them and think about orthogonal proposals
- 12:58:20 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:58:23 [kaz]
- ack m
- 12:58:42 [kaz]
- mm: use cases are written from the users' view
- 12:59:03 [kaz]
- kaz: @@@
- 12:59:22 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/smartcities-workshop/index.html cfp
- 12:59:42 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:59:42 [Zakim]
- kaz, you wanted to mention the upcoming smart cities workshop later and to
- 13:00:00 [kaz]
- ml: let's talk about the horizontal use cases and requirements
- 13:00:24 [kaz]
- ... please put down what are in your mind
- 13:00:36 [kaz]
- ... AOB?
- 13:00:42 [kaz]
- (none)
- 13:00:56 [kaz]
- ml: thanks a lot for your proposals, Soumya!
- 13:01:57 [kaz]
- ... the next Use Cases call will be held in 2 weeks on May 25
- 13:02:23 [kaz]
- ... btw, due to the holiday in Germany, the Architecture call on May 13 will be cancelled
- 13:02:31 [kaz]
- ... will send a notice about that
- 13:02:33 [kaz]
- [adjourned]
- 13:04:02 [kaz]
- s/@@@/agree with McCool and Lagally. you can generate several possible use cases from the viewpoints of users and industries first, and then generate some more horizontal/technical use cases and requirements based on those initial use cases./
- 13:04:08 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 13:04:12 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:04:12 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/11-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
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