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15:58:53 <Ian> Meeting: SPC Task Force
15:58:56 <Ian> Chair: Ian
15:59:07 <Ian> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-payments-wg/2021May/0001.html
15:59:12 <Ian> Scribe: Ian
15:59:25 <Ian> agenda+ Scope document edits
15:59:31 <Ian> agenda+ Work plan
15:59:48 <Ian> present+
16:00:26 <Ian> present+ Stephen_McGruer
16:00:34 <Ian> present+ Bastien_Latge
16:01:07 <Ian> present+ Gerhard_Oosthuizen
16:01:13 <AdrianHB> Present+
16:01:17 <Ian> present+ Clinton_Allen
16:01:26 <Ian> present+ Gustavo_Kok
16:01:52 <Ian> present+ Michel_Weksler
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16:02:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/10-wpwg-spc-minutes.html Ian
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16:02:37 <Ian> present+ Werner_Bruinings
16:03:10 <Ian> present+ Tomasz_Blachowicz
16:03:44 <Ian> zakim, take up item 1
16:03:44 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Scope document edits -- taken up [from Ian]
16:04:07 <Ian> present+ Sameer_Tare
16:04:25 <Ian> Some questions:
16:04:28 <Ian>  * Benefits v. features
16:04:37 <Ian>  * Ecommerce?
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16:04:47 <Ian> present+ Christian_Aabye
16:05:55 <Ian> present+ Doug_Fisher
16:06:08 <Ian> Ian: Should we focus on Ecommerce?
16:06:28 <Ian> Gerhard: I would include bill pay. For me the split is more B2C v. B2B
16:06:37 <Ian> present+ Praveena_Subrahmany
16:07:09 <smcgruer_[EST]> q+
16:07:14 <Ian> ack sm
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16:07:21 <Ian> smcgruer_[EST]: +1 to "B2C"
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16:07:25 <mweksler> +1
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16:07:33 <Ian> smcgruer_[EST]: Ok for future considerations including P2P or B2B
16:07:43 <Christian> +1
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16:07:45 <AdrianHB> +1
16:07:53 <Ian> ACTION: Ian to clarify B2C use cases in the scope document
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16:10:12 <Ian> Ian: (Unique) Benefits v. Features?
16:10:16 <Ian> q?
16:10:52 <Ian> Gerhard: Whichever way we go, the thing that is different is:
16:10:57 <Ian>  - Built in browser support for payments
16:11:04 <Ian>  - Cross-domain
16:11:21 <Ian> ...FIDO already gives us cryptogram.
16:11:47 <smcgruer_[EST]> +1 to those being the useful things (for now)
16:11:49 <Ian> ...I think there are "primary" and "secondary" benefits / features
16:12:25 <Ian> Ian: What does "cross-domain" mean to yoU?
16:12:32 <Ian> Gerhard: Party calling it is not the RP
16:13:38 <smcgruer_[EST]> q+
16:13:51 <smcgruer_[EST]> q-
16:14:56 <Ian> Tomasz: If we are talking about cross-domain capability, I think this is a key feature.
16:15:17 <Ian> ...even if the cryptogram captures additional details, it's the cross-domain bit which is a key feature
16:15:27 <Ian> ...it is not just about scalability, it is an enabler for a new user experience
16:15:48 <Ian> q?
16:17:12 <Ian> ACTION: Gerhard and Ian to work on teasing out BOTH features (e.g., cross-origin) and benefits (e.g., scalability)
16:18:21 <Ian> Gerhard: I think we should have some additional discussion on requirements for browsers v. innovation in UX
16:18:54 <Ian> zakim, take up item 2
16:18:54 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Work plan -- taken up [from Ian]
16:18:55 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/wiki/Plan-2021
16:20:34 <Tomasz> g+
16:20:36 <Tomasz> q+
16:22:54 <smcgruer_[EST]> q+
16:23:00 <Ian> ack Tomasz
16:23:24 <Ian> Tomasz: Do we have other browser vendors engaged (in this time frame or other)?
16:25:59 <Ian> Ian: WG can share deliverables ... please have your companies ask for engagement on this topic!
16:26:03 <Ian> Tomasz: What about Edge?
16:27:05 <Ian> smcgruer_[EST]: If we (Chrome team) were ship code, we will contact all the other browser vendors and  solicit input.
16:27:25 <Ian> ...we will want an explainer that states what we plan to ship
16:27:42 <Ian> ...once we have an explainer that looks like something we have in a spec, we'll socialize that with other browser vendors.
16:28:42 <Ian> ack smcgruer_[EST]
16:29:05 <Ian> smcgruer_[EST]: One comment: I am excited by the plan.
16:29:28 <Ian> ...regarding FPWD, we don't need "confirmed" FPWD, but at least a spec that I'm satisfied would be pretty much an FPWD
16:30:25 <Ian> Ian: Any editing volunteers?
16:30:31 <Ian> * Stephen
16:30:33 <Ian> * AdrianHB
16:30:37 <Ian> * Gerhard
16:30:41 <Ian> * Ian
16:30:52 <Ian> * Rolf
16:31:31 <Ian> Next meeting: 17 May
16:31:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/10-wpwg-spc-minutes.html Ian
16:51:39 <Ian> zakim,b ye
16:51:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'b ye', Ian
16:51:43 <Ian> zakim, bye
16:51:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Ian, Stephen_McGruer, Bastien_Latge, Gerhard_Oosthuizen, AdrianHB, Clinton_Allen, Gustavo_Kok, Michel_Weksler, Werner_Bruinings,
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16:51:44 <Ian> rrsagent, bye
16:51:44 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2021/05/10-wpwg-spc-actions.rdf :
16:51:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ian to clarify B2C use cases in the scope document [1]
16:51:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/05/10-wpwg-spc-irc#T16-07-53
16:51:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gerhard and Ian to work on teasing out BOTH features (e.g., cross-origin) and benefits (e.g., scalability) [2]
16:51:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/05/10-wpwg-spc-irc#T16-17-12
16:51:46 <Zakim> ... Tomasz_Blachowicz, Sameer_Tare, Christian_Aabye, Doug_Fisher, Praveena_Subrahmany, Rolf_Lindemann