14:02:32 RRSAgent has joined #wot-discovery 14:02:32 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/05/10-wot-discovery-irc 14:02:34 ktoumura has joined #wot-discovery 14:02:37 Meeting: WoT Discovery 14:03:03 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Farshid_Tavakolizadeh, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool 14:04:44 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#10_May_2021 14:05:07 FarshidT has joined #wot-discovery 14:06:42 scribenick: FarshidT 14:06:50 topic: Minutes 14:06:58 Mizushima has joined #wot-discovery 14:09:42 present+ Andrea_Cimmino, Tomoaki_Mizushima 14:10:25 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/03-wot-discovery-minutes.html May-3 14:10:35 mm: some minors only, will publish 14:10:39 no objections 14:11:09 topic: planning 14:11:18 kaz: no update on WD publication 14:12:30 mc: we need to aim for June 1st for a stable draft 14:13:34 ... should we extend the call to 2 hours for the next three weeks? 14:50:23 RRSAgent has joined #wot-discovery 14:50:23 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/05/10-wot-discovery-irc 14:50:38 topic: Minutes 14:50:53 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/03-wot-discovery-minutes.html May-3 14:51:00 approved 14:51:05 topic: Planning 14:51:20 mc: we need to aim for June 1st for a stable draft 14:51:37 ... should we extend the call to 2 hours for the next three weeks? 14:51:44 topic: PR 168 14:51:56 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/168 PR 168 - Add alternative payload format 14:52:14 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Andrea_Cimmino, Farshid_Tavakolizadeh, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima 14:52:22 Chair: McCool 14:52:32 topic: PR 166 14:52:38 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/166 PR 166 - Typos against main 14:52:44 merged 14:52:52 topic: PR 162 14:53:02 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/162 PR 162 - Expiry date for registered TDs 14:53:41 -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/farshidtz/wot-discovery/pull/162.html#exploration-directory-registration-info Preview - 6.2.1.1 Registration Information 14:53:54 mm: what do you mean by "read-only" here? 14:54:09 ... which is the directory? 14:54:26 ... someone reading the TD? 14:54:46 ft: yeah 14:54:56 mm: but it's still confusing to have two roles here 14:55:10 ... also how to distinguish the expiration timing? 14:55:35 ... would be clearer to simply refer to the ttl 14:55:50 ft: ok 14:56:02 s/also/(regarding 'expieres') also/ 14:56:12 ... will update 'expires' and 'ttl' 14:56:32 mm: the time is based on when the data is registered 14:57:02 ... (going through the "Files changed") 14:57:16 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/162/files PR 162 - Files changed 14:57:23 rrsagent, make log public 14:57:32 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:57:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz 14:58:34 i/May-3/scribenick: kaz/ 14:58:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:58:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz 14:59:58 mm: the biggest problem is about 'expires' and 'ttl' (relative time vs absolute time) 15:00:10 ft: can generate another PR to fix those points 15:01:19 mm: let's merge this PR 162 itself and will create a new issue to address those points 15:01:32 ... then fix the issue with a new PR 15:01:37 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/162#discussion_r629434051 McCool's comments for PR 162 15:02:15 (issue 162 merged) 15:02:40 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/171 new issue 171 to address the remaining problems 15:03:34 topic: the other PRs 15:03:43 mm: how to deal with the other PRs? 15:03:57 ... would have Ben to discuss them 15:04:18 (PR 158, 159 and 160 by Ben) 15:04:37 subtopic: PR 158 15:04:48 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/158 PR 158 - Combine properties into a single things property 15:04:56 mm: (skims PR 158) 15:05:49 ft: should we have a separate PR for converting Thing to TD? 15:06:05 mm: why don't we comment here? 15:06:32 ... (adds a comment to PR 158) 15:06:59 ... we generally agree that the new names are a useful improvement 15:07:59 ... but disagree on the merger of PUT/PATCH (especially if they're hard to distinguish in the Scripting API, or make it harder to distinguish the functionality in other protocols/make the API more HTTP specific) 15:08:30 ... so if we had a PR that *JUST* did the name changes, we could merge it 15:09:56 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/160#issuecomment-836816733 McCool's comment to PR 160 15:10:12 s/PR 158/PR 160/ 15:10:59 s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/158 PR 158 - Combine properties into a single things property|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/160 PR 160 - Rename actions to match properties and events| 15:11:10 s/topic: PR 158/topic: PR 160/ 15:11:32 subtopic: PR 159/ 15:11:43 s|159/|159| 15:12:10 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/159 PR 159 - Split registration event into multiple events 15:12:42 ft: gave a comment 15:13:02 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/133#issuecomment-810095631 Farshid's comment 15:13:19 mm: (adds comments to PR 159) 15:14:02 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/159#issuecomment-836822282 McCool's comments to PR 159 15:14:20 mm: Farshid, can you add your comments as well? 15:14:25 ft: ok 15:14:34 mm: can we merge this PR 159? 15:15:07 ... (adds another comment that his PR 159 is based on an old version spec) 15:15:30 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/159#issuecomment-836823973 McCool's new comment 15:15:44 mm: let's check with Ben then 15:16:07 topic: Issue 169 15:16:32 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/169 Issue 169 - EnrichedThing as a class? 15:17:02 mm: how does this relate to Thing Model? 15:17:14 ac: please see the example below 15:17:32 mm: so multiple inheritance here? 15:17:32 ac: yes 15:18:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:18:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz 15:19:00 ac: if this addition brings confusion, we can skip this 15:22:44 mm: (adds some comments) 15:23:25 ... (e.g., in some cases, Thing needs to provide information that is part of the enriched data namespace (not core TD) 15:23:31 s/TD)/TD))/ 15:27:15 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/169#issuecomment-836836547 McCool's comments 15:29:39 ft: seems there is some confusion 15:33:08 mm: (adds some more comments) 15:34:03 ... having an "@type" for "EnrichedThing" would be nice 15:37:38 q+ 15:38:47 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/169#issuecomment-836852392 McCool's new comments 15:41:16 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/169#issuecomment-836855613 McCool's additional comment 15:42:09 kaz: a basic question here 15:43:41 ... if a Thing can accept multiple inputs, e.g., one from Link and another from Directory at once, how the Thing can tell those inputs are compatible and generate the consolidated TD (or EnrichedThing)? 15:44:25 ... we need to clarify the algorithm based on some concrete use case scenario 15:48:13 ... we need to have some specific/limited set of namespaces to be included here. right? 15:49:46 ... maybe not for the WoT Directory itself, but we should have how to manage multiple namespaces to be consolidated for a TD 15:50:10 mm: maybe you could add comments to this Issue 169 or create a new issue about that point? 15:50:13 kaz: yeah 15:54:09 (some more discussions) 15:54:37 kaz: how can the Thing tell which Discovery service to be referred to? 15:55:05 mm: we currently use "w3c.github.io" URL but that is not our intention for the actual service 15:56:08 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/148 related issue 148 15:56:53 mm: we should use a sub-URL under td, e.g., https://www.w3.org/ns/td/directory 15:59:36 ... or continue to use GitHub for now, and dd an ednote 16:00:18 ... or assume a given URL, use it in all examples 16:04:45 kaz: when we created ns/td namespace, we didn't really predict we would have some more namespaces for WoT purposes 16:05:23 ... probably we should list all our necessarily namespaces for WoT purposes and then how to call them 16:06:11 s/then/then think about/ 16:08:02 topic: AOB 16:08:10 mm: need to talk with Ben as well 16:08:16 [adjourned] 16:08:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:08:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz 18:00:26 zkis has joined #wot-discovery 18:07:16 Zakim has left #wot-discovery