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15:41:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:41:23 <trackbot> Date: 05 May 2021
15:41:33 <becky> agenda?
15:42:20 <becky> Chair:	Becky
15:42:20 <becky> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements;
15:42:20 <becky> agenda+ TPAC Planning  https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings
15:42:20 <becky> agenda+ Task Force Updates;
15:42:21 <becky> agenda+ FAST Progress
15:42:21 <becky> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
15:42:22 <becky> agenda+	Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
15:42:22 <becky> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:42:22 <becky> agenda+ CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
15:42:22 <becky> agenda+	Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
15:42:24 <becky> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
15:42:24 <becky> agenda+ Other Business
15:42:24 <becky> agenda+ be done
15:55:39 <janina> present+
15:57:16 <paul_grenier> present+
16:00:36 <becky> present+
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16:05:08 <JF> Present+
16:05:33 <JF> zakim, who is here?
16:05:33 <Zakim> Present: janina, paul_grenier, becky, amy_c, Fredrik, Gottfried, Fazio, Irfan, JF
16:05:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see Fazio, Fredrik, Irfan, Garth, Gottfried, JF, amy_c, Zakim, RRSAgent, becky, paul_grenier, tink, MichaelC, janina, Rachael, cwilso, ada, jasonjgw, jamesn, slightlyoff,
16:05:36 <Zakim> ... manu, ZoeBijl, joconnor, trackbot
16:05:53 <Gottfried> scribe: gottfried
16:06:00 <Gottfried> zakim, open item
16:06:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open item', Gottfried
16:06:04 <Gottfried> zakim, open first item
16:06:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open first item', Gottfried
16:06:08 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:06:08 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements; -- taken up [from becky]
16:06:33 <Gottfried> becky: Two cfcs open currently.
16:06:41 <becky> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2021Apr/0025.html
16:06:42 <Gottfried> ... Amy's comment on CSS multi-column
16:07:01 <becky> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2021May/0001.html
16:07:02 <Gottfried> ... Publishing the FPWD of pronunciation wg
16:07:41 <Gottfried> janina: 3rd CFC - RAUR finalization
16:08:59 <Gottfried> Gottfried: Upcoming webinar on a master thesis on hands-free interaction with a VR serious game.  Will send announcement soon.
16:09:27 <Gottfried> becky: Also preparing recording of presentation on personalization by media queries level 5.
16:10:06 <Gottfried> janina: Propose to elevate 2019 note on CAPTCHA to notes level.
16:10:30 <Gottfried> s/notes level/W3C statement level
16:10:33 <becky> W3C Statements: https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process/Drafts/#note-track
16:11:08 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:11:08 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC Planning  https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings -- taken up [from becky]
16:11:27 <Gottfried> becky: TPAC will be virtual in 2021.
16:11:44 <Gottfried> ... 18-22 Oct - breakout session
16:11:54 <becky> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings
16:11:54 <Gottfried> ... 25-29 Oct other meetings
16:12:18 <Gottfried> ... Start planning agendas for your groups
16:13:33 <Gottfried> janina: Some specs may be discussed. Pronunciation, WCAG 2.x, ...
16:13:49 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:13:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force Updates; -- taken up [from becky]
16:13:53 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_ has joined #apa
16:14:02 <Lionel_Wolberger_> present+
16:14:36 <Gottfried> janina: RQTF is closing on RAUR, picking up comments on XAUR.
16:15:01 <Gottfried> ... Planning meeting with community group on deaf persons in immersive environments, tentatively on May 19
16:15:24 <Gottfried> becky: Personalization reviewing past positions to avoid going in circles.
16:15:45 <Gottfried> ... Important to document past decisions.
16:15:57 <Fazio> coga is starting on mental health
16:15:59 <Gottfried> ... Moving towards CR.
16:16:52 <Gottfried> Fazio: Mental health issue paper started a few weeks ago.
16:17:04 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:17:04 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- FAST Progress -- taken up [from becky]
16:17:40 <Gottfried> MichaelC: User needs for Silver finished last week.
16:17:56 <Gottfried> ... Planning on a survey on user needs and definitions.
16:18:18 <Gottfried> ... Then mapping needs to the criteria and looking for gaps.
16:18:51 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:18:51 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from becky]
16:19:39 <MichaelC> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/png-2021.html
16:19:45 <Gottfried> MichaelC: PNG Working Group
16:19:57 <Gottfried> ... https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/268
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16:20:40 <Gottfried> MichaelC: PNG has a metadata field
16:21:03 <Gottfried> ... They haven't specified in the charter whether they want APA review
16:21:32 <Gottfried> becky: Look at section 4: Each specification should contain a section on accessibility that describes the benefits and impacts, including ways specification features can be used to address them, and recommendations for maximising accessibility in implementations.
16:22:01 <JF> Q+
16:22:10 <Gottfried> ... Specification of a format is not of interest to us, but metadata on the image is
16:22:38 <Gottfried> JF: Part of this is how PNGs are rendered in browser. This is not for us.
16:23:00 <Gottfried> janina: We need to hear from them. What does metadata mean for them?
16:23:12 <Gottfried> JF: What kind of metadata would we be looking for?
16:23:21 <Gottfried> janina: Let's find out about the features.
16:23:52 <Gottfried> becky: Metadata could be a "new feature"
16:24:20 <Gottfried> MichaelC: Reading comments. We request additional information about this charter.
16:25:29 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:25:29 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Gottfried
16:25:35 <Gottfried> ack JF
16:25:37 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:25:37 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from becky]
16:26:26 <MichaelC> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/5678
16:27:21 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:27:21 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from becky]
16:27:43 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/webtransport/ WebTransport
16:28:08 <Gottfried> MichaelC: "This document defines a set of ECMAScript APIs in WebIDL to allow data to be sent and received between a browser and server, utilizing [WEB-TRANSPORT-HTTP3]. This specification is being developed in conjunction with a protocol specification developed by the IETF WEBTRANS Working Group."
16:28:41 <Gottfried> janina: HTTP issue years ago could be related?
16:28:53 <Gottfried> ... Change stuff on the pipe, affect a11y
16:29:07 <Gottfried> MichaelC: We are not listed as liaison.
16:29:26 <Gottfried> ... Not sure if we need to be involved.
16:29:58 <Gottfried> becky: It's all about APIs. I don't see anything directly related to a11y.
16:30:47 <Gottfried> janina: IETF is working on HTTP 3.0
16:30:56 <Gottfried> MichaelC: We should deal with that as a separate topic
16:31:02 <Gottfried> ... No need to review this spec
16:31:07 <Gottfried> janina: agree
16:31:19 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:31:19 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from becky]
16:31:45 <amy_c> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/37
16:31:48 <Gottfried> amy_c: CSS overscroll issue
16:32:35 <Gottfried> ... Where is this issue at?
16:32:48 <Gottfried> ... WD was June 2018
16:33:05 <Gottfried> becky: Since they are working on it again, should we wait for a request?
16:33:12 <Gottfried> amy_c: Yes
16:34:28 <Gottfried> becky: You could point out accessibility issues to be addressed in the next spec.
16:35:01 <Gottfried> amy_c: I want to have a look into their repo first. I will bring it back next week.
16:35:05 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:35:05 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from becky]
16:36:04 <Gottfried> janina: Spent time on language tags and local identifiers for the www
16:36:23 <Gottfried> ... Concerns about sign language designators. Still not sure about that.
16:37:06 <Gottfried> ... There are designators for sign languages, but sign languages are not coded in the same way as written languages.
16:37:26 <Gottfried> ... ISO 639-2 specifies language identifiers. Not sure if this is appropriate for this spec.
16:37:51 <Gottfried> ... Is there a github thread to ask them a question?
16:38:22 <Gottfried> becky: They say that github issues are preferred
16:38:30 <Gottfried> janina: I can file a github issue
16:38:42 <Gottfried> MichaelC: There are sign language codes.
16:39:06 <Gottfried> janina: Not sure it covers all it needs. May be incorporated by reference from BC-47.  But not sure that covers all.
16:39:51 <Gottfried> ... Best to ask a question on github
16:40:11 <becky> q?
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16:40:13 <Gottfried> ... Metadata for embedded video could be relevant
16:40:53 <Gottfried> ... A sign-language alternative video could be marked with the corresponding language code, and could be programmatically associated as an alternative to text.
16:41:19 <Gottfried> ... We only missed to programmatically assign transcripts.
16:41:41 <Gottfried> ... Underrepresented in content, and underutilized in user agents.
16:42:12 <Gottfried> JF: We did a lot of work around media. Some of it was adopted, but not always in practice.
16:42:45 <Gottfried> janina: Where is that in the html5 spec
16:43:18 <Gottfried> Lionel_Wolberger_: The automatic replacement is an elegant solution.
16:43:41 <Gottfried> ... Authors can do this in parallel.
16:43:49 <Gottfried> janina: Even outsourcing to third parties possible.
16:44:31 <Gottfried> ... I will send a request on github
16:45:35 <Gottfried> File API
16:45:50 <Gottfried> Fazio: Looked at File API, https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/File_API
16:46:07 <Gottfried> ... Janina sent me an example. Need to further work on it.
16:46:22 <Gottfried> ... When do you need it?
16:46:35 <Gottfried> MichaelC: No special rush, but always better sooner than later
16:47:21 <Gottfried> Media Capabilities
16:47:34 <Gottfried> MichaelC: Media Capabilities can go off this list
16:48:41 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/permissions-policy-1/
16:48:49 <Gottfried> Permissions Policy, https://www.w3.org/TR/permissions-policy-1/
16:48:58 <Gottfried> MichaelC: I think we should abandon this.
16:49:26 <Gottfried> becky: "This specification defines a mechanism that allows developers to selectively enable and disable use of various browser features and APIs." - Sound scary.
16:50:07 <Gottfried> MichaelC: We were worried about accessibility features being turned off by these capabilities.
16:50:16 <Gottfried> ... We need to reassign this to somebody else.
16:50:34 <Gottfried> janina: This continues to be important.
16:50:57 <Gottfried> ... Personalization, pronunciation
16:51:03 <Gottfried> becky: I can take it
16:51:24 <Gottfried> Lionel_Wolberger_: Purpose might be to shut off extensions - for security
16:51:37 <Gottfried> janina: Need to make sure it does not negatively affect a11y
16:52:25 <Gottfried> Payment Request API, https://www.w3.org/TR/payment-request/
16:52:53 <Gottfried> janina: Tried to add accessible receipting to the spec. But never happend.
16:53:23 <Gottfried> ... I would be happy for help on this.
16:53:32 <Gottfried> Fredrik: I can help.
16:54:41 <Gottfried> ... Wondering about the timing of this issue.
16:54:47 <Gottfried> janina: It has been open for a long time.
16:54:58 <Gottfried> Fredrik: I can take it.
16:55:13 <Gottfried> s/happend/happened
16:55:26 <Gottfried> Lionel_Wolberger_: Could consider a note in the spec for a future spec
16:55:45 <Gottfried> janina: Accessibility consideration statement
16:55:52 <Gottfried> ... We had some pushback on this
16:56:11 <Gottfried> ... We have more tools now to prevent the spec from being finalized. HR dashboard.
16:57:10 <Gottfried> becky: Worthy of a more detailed look.
16:57:17 <Gottfried> janina: Minimum is an accessibility consideration
16:57:29 <Gottfried> MichaelC: There is an a11y consideration statement - 2 sentences
16:57:37 <Gottfried> ... Needs to be extended. Clarify and add.
16:58:37 <Gottfried> Lionel_Wolberger_: We tried to get receipts on terms of conditions of water coolers. Taking forever.
16:59:36 <Gottfried> MichaelC: The other two are on Josh.
17:00:15 <Gottfried> becky: Adjourned
17:00:20 <Gottfried> zakim, bye
17:00:20 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, paul_grenier, becky, amy_c, Fredrik, Gottfried, Fazio, Irfan, JF, Lionel_Wolberger_
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17:01:05 <Gottfried> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:01:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/05-apa-minutes.html Gottfried
17:01:27 <becky> THANKS for scribing, Gottfried!
17:01:53 <becky> zakim, clear agenda
17:02:08 <becky> zakim, close meeting
17:02:26 <becky> rrsagent, bye
17:02:26 <RRSAgent> I see no action items