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13:11:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:11:48 <trackbot> Date: 29 April 2021
13:11:52 <LisaSeemanKest> regrets jenny
13:11:56 <LisaSeemanKest> regrets, jenny
13:12:19 <LisaSeemanKest> agenad+ actions and updates https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage#Timelines_and_actions
13:12:40 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ action requests https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Actions_Requests
13:12:51 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ actions and updates https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage#Timelines_and_actions
13:13:04 <LisaSeemanKest> close item 1
13:13:12 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ action requests https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Actions_Requests
13:13:26 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ Reaching out to other groups
13:14:31 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ Setting scope for Mental health (provisional) -  see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2021Apr/0026.html
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13:14:43 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ recruteing
13:14:49 <LisaSeemanKest> agenda+ toast!!!
13:57:20 <LisaSeemanKest> regrets, jenny, EA
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14:00:16 <cweidner> present+
14:01:57 <Rachael> I am on the silver call but Many many congratulations to the group on publication!
14:03:07 <LisaSeemanKest> scribe:johnk
14:03:25 <LisaSeemanKest> small meeting so dession need to go to the list as well
14:03:37 <LisaSeemanKest> next item
14:04:07 <johnkirkwood> present+
14:04:26 <johnkirkwood> small meeting
14:05:02 <johnkirkwood> LS: Jenny and Rain and JK working on image subbroup.
14:05:12 <johnkirkwood> Rain: selected 3 patterns to start with
14:05:20 <LisaSeemanKest> q+
14:05:29 <johnkirkwood> … putting together slide deck this week with three examples
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14:06:02 <krisannekinney> present+
14:06:20 <johnkirkwood> Rain: finalizing images to designer, jenny connecting with Michael Cooper find out how the images will be implemented in doc to conform with structure required
14:06:38 <johnkirkwood> Rain: we had questions about timeline
14:06:54 <johnkirkwood> … Jenny will try to connect with you Lisa
14:07:27 <johnkirkwood> LS: one comment might want to look at granularity of user stories
14:08:06 <johnkirkwood> LS: our first thing with Silver will be at user story level, not married to it and can change it around
14:08:31 <johnkirkwood> LS: will stop doing repetive aspect of same thing
14:09:07 <johnkirkwood> LS: user needs similar granularity to pattern, might be easier and have same affectiveness
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14:09:42 <LisaSeemanKest> ack l
14:10:24 <johnkirkwood> LS: to go from pattern to user story
14:10:32 <johnkirkwood> LS: online version of guide
14:11:13 <johnkirkwood> LS: publish this version, not most usable. want to make a web version as well, put in images as natural integration point
14:12:19 <johnkirkwood> LS: two publication points. one is the web online version that Steve is working on, published when ready
14:12:39 <johnkirkwood> … might be 3 weeks or year might make version 2 befre
14:12:56 <johnkirkwood> … there is all integration online
14:13:09 <johnkirkwood> Version 2 of this note in at least a year or probably two
14:13:23 <LisaSeemanKest> maybe version 1.1
14:13:30 <johnkirkwood> … might be a version 1.1 as well if make lots of changes
14:14:04 <johnkirkwood> Rain: as we are creating these, if possibly have note at earlier stage?
14:14:16 <johnkirkwood> LS: yes we could on github and the wiki
14:14:34 <johnkirkwood> LS: we can just do that with wiki, lots of links to it
14:14:56 <johnkirkwood> Rain: John Jenny and I can talk about it
14:15:11 <johnkirkwood> LS: jenny and i reviewed EO videos
14:15:18 <johnkirkwood> … we had similar comments
14:15:42 <johnkirkwood> LS: both felt COGA centric ones needed more input
14:16:15 <johnkirkwood> LS: its catered to studens and learning disabilites
14:17:16 <johnkirkwood> LS: can add it as issue in next version
14:18:32 <johnkirkwood> LS: David and John and user needs. John send email to David and send to list.
14:18:45 <LisaSeemanKest> next item
14:19:38 <johnkirkwood> Krias Anne: EO did not have a meeting past friday, nothing to add. survey sent to group
14:19:47 <johnkirkwood> LS: got 3 feedback from group
14:20:11 <johnkirkwood> Kris Anne: didn’t see feedback
14:20:27 <johnkirkwood> … its completed
14:20:54 <johnkirkwood> LS: we have XR one from APA and Silver pending waitng for OK from Jan to start
14:21:08 <johnkirkwood> Kris Anne: after long meeting today will get back
14:21:41 <johnkirkwood> LS: writing guideline for findable help
14:21:51 <johnkirkwood> LS: will put you in as well
14:21:59 <LisaSeemanKest> next item
14:22:46 <johnkirkwood> LS: reach out to communities with different cognitive and learning disabilites, what are there challenges when do they give up
14:23:42 <johnkirkwood> LS: open to discussion of next steps, draft email to sent to reach out to groups for input, fact we just published helps. What is missing etc. We can draft and people can change it
14:24:07 <Rain_> +1 as well
14:24:14 <johnkirkwood> +1
14:24:46 <johnkirkwood> LS: first option to draft an email, maybe as a google doc.
14:25:04 <johnkirkwood> agree on the draft email
14:25:25 <johnkirkwood> LS: reach out to different communities
14:25:46 <LisaSeemanKest> q?
14:25:52 <johnkirkwood> LS: how would you tweek those steps
14:26:43 <Rain_> q?
14:26:54 <johnkirkwood> think a spread sheet that captures differnt communities
14:27:02 <johnkirkwood> LS: that a good idea
14:27:11 <johnkirkwood> q?
14:27:12 <Rain_> q+
14:27:33 <johnkirkwood> LS: which groups are under sampled
14:27:51 <LisaSeemanKest> ack r
14:28:05 <johnkirkwood> Rain: regarding email to say and engage in community, being versy specific in our request
14:28:38 <johnkirkwood> … on task force, advisory group, how much time, regularly read something?
14:28:55 <johnkirkwood> LS: i was asking to read document and see what is missing
14:29:19 <johnkirkwood> LS: like a one time question i was thinking
14:29:33 <johnkirkwood> Rain: maybe offer a couple of differnt asks
14:30:06 <johnkirkwood> Rain: wheas being availble for half an hour on a meeting might be les dauning
14:30:31 <johnkirkwood> LS: lets offer both
14:31:03 <johnkirkwood> LS: maybe join meeting on an issue or join TF
14:31:38 <johnkirkwood> Action: draft email and create spreadsheet
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14:32:56 <johnkirkwood> spreadsheet to fill out maybe work on XAR this week
14:32:59 <LisaSeemanKest> next item
14:33:29 <johnkirkwood> LS: first is scope
14:33:53 <johnkirkwood> LS: web accessibility but also when it can be harmful
14:34:30 <johnkirkwood> LS: main emphsis on web accessibility and some on harm
14:34:42 <LisaSeemanKest> main emphasis is web accessibility with secondary ed designs and web content that can do harm (such as addictive)
14:34:45 <johnkirkwood> s/emphsis/emphasis
14:36:01 <Rain_> +1
14:36:05 <Rain_> q+
14:36:12 <johnkirkwood> LS: do you like proposal
14:36:16 <johnkirkwood> +1
14:36:38 <cweidner_> Do we feel like we have the right expertise in house to be prescriptive about harm?
14:36:50 <johnkirkwood> Rain: this reminds me of dark patterns and trying to have more inclusive technology
14:37:36 <johnkirkwood> Rain: vulnerablity of people being taken advantage of, such as addictive images, triggers, intentional introduce things that may not realize being taken advantage of
14:38:23 <johnkirkwood> LS: mental health we did an issue paper with cyber unit of Israeli police force didn’t want to give a list of what to do
14:38:44 <johnkirkwood> LS: said to include concerns without being too explicit
14:39:28 <johnkirkwood> LS: intrinsically know, but with mental health we may need to recruit a bit more as well
14:39:45 <LisaSeemanKest> main emphasis is web accessibility with secondary emphasis on designs and web content that can do harm (such as addictive)
14:40:01 <johnkirkwood> LS: do we like the idea of web accessibility with a secondary emphaes on design patterns that can do harm?
14:40:06 <LisaSeemanKest> +1
14:40:12 <Rain_> +1
14:40:14 <johnkirkwood> +1
14:40:27 <cweidner_> +1
14:40:32 <krisannekinney> +1
14:41:44 <johnkirkwood> LS: what groups are we focusing on we have a lot on depressing anxiety and trauma, social anxiety? personality disorder? othes dissassociation disorder, psychosis
14:42:03 <johnkirkwood> … impulse control, eating disorders?
14:42:40 <johnkirkwood> LS: not sure how it works need input
14:42:44 <Rain_> q+
14:43:05 <johnkirkwood> LS: worried about framing to not do harm
14:43:41 <johnkirkwood> Rain: wondering if want to do similar approach to how cognitive elements, from the challenge person is having rather than the diagnosis
14:44:11 <johnkirkwood> Rain: such as social anxiety, the stories rather than diagnosis
14:44:20 <johnkirkwood> LS: plus one to that
14:44:27 <johnkirkwood> +1
14:45:09 <johnkirkwood> LS: for full recruiting, lots of intersectionality
14:45:28 <johnkirkwood> Rain: starting mental health maybe
14:45:47 <johnkirkwood> LS: can do a band of recruiting
14:46:36 <LisaSeemanKest> + nero cognative
14:46:45 <johnkirkwood> LS: social anxiety
14:47:17 <johnkirkwood> LS: broad scope of expertise would be helpful and see how we do after recruiting
14:47:18 <LisaSeemanKest> q?
14:47:23 <LisaSeemanKest> ack r
14:47:26 <johnkirkwood> LS: people happy with that?
14:48:20 <johnkirkwood> LS: draft another email asking people
14:48:31 <johnkirkwood> LS: mental health research community
14:48:42 <johnkirkwood> LS: and real people in community that have the issues
14:49:02 <cweidner_> +1
14:49:03 <Rain_> +1
14:49:08 <johnkirkwood> LS: my feeling is that’s the most important group
14:49:12 <johnkirkwood> +1
14:49:17 <cweidner_> q+
14:49:31 <LisaSeemanKest> ack cweidner
14:49:45 <johnkirkwood> ChrisWeidner: how have recruited in past?
14:50:09 <johnkirkwood> LS: wrote to organization of main groups to see, but didn’t always a great response
14:50:32 <johnkirkwood> Chris: thinking need to task within W3C or outside
14:50:39 <johnkirkwood> LS: outside
14:50:59 <johnkirkwood> LS: but there may be inside as well
14:51:56 <johnkirkwood> Chris: if outside, understood has partnered with MTV might have opportunity to share messaging aournd need
14:52:14 <johnkirkwood> s/understood/Understood
14:52:46 <johnkirkwood> LS: need database for recruiting, any addition suggestions for recruiting?
14:53:05 <johnkirkwood> LS: we will send an email for mental health recruiting
14:53:36 <johnkirkwood> LS anyone willing to help?
14:53:46 <johnkirkwood> LS: mental health subgroup is a possibility
14:54:23 <johnkirkwood> LS: next thing decide to agree on methodology is important, such as dark patterns
14:55:02 <johnkirkwood> LS: lat 5 minutes toasting
14:55:18 <johnkirkwood> cheers!!!
14:55:27 <johnkirkwood> LS: it is historic!
14:57:12 <Rain_> toasting with my coffee!
15:01:39 <cweidner_> Have to drop everyone. Thanks you and congratulations again!
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