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14:56:17 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jo_
14:56:45 <jo_> meeting: Market Data Rights Automation Teleconference
14:56:52 <jo_> chair: jo
14:56:58 <jo_> regrets: renato
14:57:15 <jo_> agenda: https://w3c.github.io/market-data-odrl-profile/agendas/md-odrl-profile-agenda-2021-04-28.html
14:57:44 <jo_> rrsagent, make minutes
14:57:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/28-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_
14:58:40 <jo_> present: belen, jo
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15:00:45 <jo_> scribeoptions: -nodraft -oldStyle
15:03:14 <jo_> present+ adam, laura, marko, ilya, ben, trisha, caspar, ali, josh
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15:04:20 <joshuaCornejo> Jo: let's kick it off, good afternoon
15:04:27 <jo_> Topic: Admin
15:04:37 <jo_> https://w3c.github.io/market-data-odrl-profile/agendas/md-odrl-profile-agenda-2021-04-28.html
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15:05:35 <joshuaCornejo> <discussion about chat disabled>
15:06:05 <joshuaCornejo> ... there were 3 actions
15:07:07 <jo_> RESOLUTION: Accept minutes of last meeting
15:07:25 <jo_> Topic: FISD Update
15:07:57 <jo_> present+ jeremy
15:08:03 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: we're confirmed for the 24th, I've asked John Chaple and Alistair if they were up for a panel. They said yes - pending internal approvals
15:08:23 <joshuaCornejo> ... I would like to get another panelist to make it more interesting
15:09:21 <joshuaCornejo> ... and we would need a vendor, exchange or data provider to make it fuller. We will kick off with an overview of the standard, by FISD we will have a draft standard and some demos. That's the state of play with FISD at the moment
15:09:32 <joshuaCornejo> ... I welcome some feedback and suggestions on that.
15:09:52 <joshuaCornejo> Jo: what Ben is saying that we will have a final public draft by FISD
15:09:55 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: yes
15:10:08 <joshuaCornejo> Jo: it is a good opportunity for anyone to make a comment
15:10:23 <jo_> Topic: Timescales
15:11:07 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: I promised foolishly my co-chair that by the time of the next meeting I would check the standard, decorate it with some examples and invite members of the community group to comment.
15:11:27 <joshuaCornejo> ... because by the time of our next meeting I hope it is in a state for development, rather than spelling mistakes.
15:11:39 <jo_> present+ markb
15:12:02 <joshuaCornejo> ... the target is to have a document published as a draft by the next meeting. So by the time FISD we have a public draft and we can invite the community for feedback.
15:12:46 <joshuaCornejo> Mark: is this different from the ask before? Is this about what's in/out or just analysis?
15:13:04 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: this is more about analysis
15:13:17 <joshuaCornejo> .. it is more about the quality of the definitions
15:13:29 <joshuaCornejo> Mark: do we want to sign chunks or let everybody find their favourite parts?
15:13:42 <jo_> present+ michelle
15:13:46 <joshuaCornejo> Ilya: is there a summary of changes?
15:13:55 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: there is none, I'm afraid.
15:14:16 <joshuaCornejo> ... I think people might look at the areas they are most interested and look if they work.
15:15:11 <joshuaCornejo> Jo: is everyone OK to put their name against sections?
15:15:24 <joshuaCornejo> ... can we choose some major sections ?
15:15:35 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: the key ones are the supplier chain metamodel
15:15:54 <joshuaCornejo> ... the next is the actions
15:16:15 <joshuaCornejo> ... there is a section on constrains - very narrow and technical
15:16:23 <joshuaCornejo> ... I would say those are the main ones
15:16:34 <joshuaCornejo> Mark: could break the metamodel into 2
15:17:03 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: we could even be more sophisticated than that
15:17:17 <joshuaCornejo> ... <explains the further subdivisions>
15:19:37 <joshuaCornejo> Jo: so, lets see where we get to and how do we get onto the review on the next call
15:20:05 <joshuaCornejo> Mark: I'll send a link to the document and hopefully we can get some volunteers to review
15:20:34 <jo_> ACTION: MarkB to send out a link to the various parts for people to pick up and review
15:20:57 <joshuaCornejo> Jo: what else do we have on timescales? Anyone has any questions?
15:21:11 <jo_> Topic: Editor Update
15:21:11 <joshuaCornejo> ... ok let us move on
15:21:31 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: this will be quite short, which is a good sign that we are moving near the end of the work
15:21:57 <joshuaCornejo> ... <shares screen>
15:24:44 <joshuaCornejo> ... < discussion about :systemProvider as a new term >
15:26:50 <jo_> present+ Atiq, PaulK
15:27:46 <jo_> present+ andy_mather
15:38:22 <jo_> (lengthy discussion about identifier strategy)
15:41:36 <jo_> (whatever we do will be better than free text)
15:42:27 <jo_> ACTION: Ben and Caspar to catch up on identifiers and bring to next meeting
15:45:46 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: I wanted to cover one other issue before we finish, it is kind of a vendor issue
15:45:51 <joshuaCornejo> ... I think we're missing a concept
15:45:54 <jo_> ACTION: Ben to call a meeting of interested parties about identity
15:46:01 <joshuaCornejo> ... <goes through examples>
15:51:20 <joshuaCornejo> ... put the question more widely: are people comfortable with the terms and we can cover all the scenarios in which market data is licensed and billed ? Or are there any weird models this doesn't cover?
15:51:27 <jo_> (no need to add any elaboration as to administrator)
15:51:33 <joshuaCornejo> Laura: this is really comprehensive, I only wonder about "licensee"
15:51:40 <joshuaCornejo> ... <goes through example>
15:52:03 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: <explains his interpretation of the contract>
15:53:34 <joshuaCornejo> ... and it is a sign we're coming to the end of the first iteration
15:54:06 <jo_> Topic: AOB
15:55:04 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: Michelle alerted me that ASX has a different licensing model, if anyone on the call it would be great if we could pick it up and discuss it on the next meeting
15:55:09 <joshuaCornejo> Mark: any specific use case
15:56:05 <joshuaCornejo> Michelle: there's some interesting divergencies from standard parties when you are creating a new original work. They could be a 3rd party or internally and then you have the licensor of the new original work (an index for example) that's a new license. It is a slightly different structure, might be a good example. Whether we have enough to validate that.
15:56:34 <joshuaCornejo> Ali: yes it seems like a hybrid/cross of some of the language that covers a service facilitator and vendor, the likes of Deutsche Borse or Euronext
15:56:37 <joshuaCornejo> Ben: OK
15:56:47 <joshuaCornejo> ... we can pick it up in the next meeting
15:57:31 <jo_> thanks to josh for scribing
15:57:42 <jo_> --- meeting closed
15:57:59 <jo_> rrsagent, make minutes
15:57:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/28-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_
16:06:39 <jo_> s/Chaple/Chappell/
16:07:01 <jo_> s/Alistair/Alistair Kerr/
16:08:28 <jo_> rrsagent, make minutes
16:08:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/28-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_
16:09:05 <jo_> s/24th/24th June/
16:09:08 <jo_> rrsagent, make minutes
16:09:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/28-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_
16:10:45 <ben> ben has left #md-odrl-profile
16:17:57 <jo_> zakim, bye
16:17:57 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been belen, jo, adam, laura, marko, ilya, ben, trisha, caspar, ali, josh, jeremy, markb, michelle, Atiq, PaulK, andy_mather
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16:18:12 <jo_> rrsagent, bye
16:18:12 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2021/04/28-md-odrl-profile-actions.rdf :
16:18:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: MarkB to send out a link to the various parts for people to pick up and review [1]
16:18:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/04/28-md-odrl-profile-irc#T15-20-34
16:18:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben and Caspar to catch up on identifiers and bring to next meeting [2]
16:18:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/04/28-md-odrl-profile-irc#T15-42-27
16:18:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to call a meeting of interested parties about identity [3]
16:18:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/04/28-md-odrl-profile-irc#T15-45-54