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17:31:58 <Matt_King> zakim, clear agenda
17:31:58 <Zakim> agenda cleared
17:34:52 <Matt_King> MEETING: aria Authoring Practices Task Force
17:54:27 <Jemma> present+
17:56:14 <Jemma> agenda+ Setup and review agenda
17:56:27 <Jemma> agenda+ APG redesign project
17:56:38 <Jemma> agenda+ accordion example
17:56:44 <Jemma> agenda+ slider example
17:57:03 <Jemma> agenda+ APG index and coverage report
17:58:40 <Matt_King> rrsagent , make log public
17:59:03 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Jemma
17:59:07 <Matt_King> present+
17:59:14 <Matt_King> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:01:03 <Jemma> zakim, make log public
18:01:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make log public', Jemma
18:01:15 <Matt_King> rrsagent, make log public
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18:05:15 <Jemma> agenda?
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18:07:50 <Jemma> zakim, take up next
18:07:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Setup and review agenda -- taken up [from Jemma]
18:08:13 <Jemma> bryan's question will be answered by Jon
18:08:19 <Jemma> zakim, take up next
18:08:19 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Jemma
18:08:33 <Jemma> zakim, take up agendum 2
18:08:33 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- APG redesign project -- taken up [from Jemma]
18:09:15 <Jemma> summary by Matt
18:09:22 <carmacleod> mck: new design template for WAI resources, including WCAG and all supporting documents
18:09:29 <Jemma> scibe: Carolyn
18:09:36 <carmacleod> scribe: carmacleod
18:10:06 <carmacleod> mck: so we are going to collaborate on the template
18:10:40 <Jemma> zakim, take up agendum 3
18:10:40 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- accordion example -- taken up [from Jemma]
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18:11:33 <carmacleod> Jemma: need to choose between 2 accordion examples. any feedback?
18:11:52 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/accordion-defaults/examples/accordion/accordion.html
18:11:59 <Jemma> option 1
18:12:00 <carmacleod> mck: Sarah, can you summarize differences between option 1 and option 2?
18:12:20 <carmacleod> sarah_higley: There's a link missing - I'll find it
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18:12:30 <Jemma> option 2 : https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/accordion-step-example/examples/accordion/accordion-group.html
18:13:15 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1834
18:13:20 <carmacleod> sarah_higley: 2 different behaviors are: any accordion can be open or closed; or only one can be open at a time
18:13:38 <sarah_higley> Here's option 1 with two different examples: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/accordion-step-example/examples/accordion/accordion.html and https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/accordion-step-example/examples/accordion/accordion-group.html
18:14:19 <sarah_higley> Here's option 2, with a checkbox to switch behavior on a single example: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/accordion-checkbox/examples/accordion/accordion.html
18:14:24 <carmacleod> mck: To be clear, option one has 2 example pages in the APG
18:15:26 <carmacleod> mck: I have a strong opinion, but I want to hear others' opinions
18:16:38 <carmacleod> sarah_higley: I have a slight preference for independent example pages, because then the examples can be more realistic - more like what you would see in the wild
18:18:09 <carmacleod> mck: I like separate example pages for this, because one is simple (no aria-disabled, for example), more common
18:21:22 <carmacleod> mck: easier to make a point because the use cases are different
18:23:06 <carmacleod> mck: option 1 is to have 2 pages, option 2 is to have a checkbox on 1 example page
18:24:43 <Jemma> + 1 for Jon
18:26:04 <Jemma> option 1 was selected for final implementation
18:26:32 <carmacleod> brian: I think it would be more consistent to have 2 example pages - it would be easier to send a link to a client and say "do it this way"
18:26:40 <Jemma> agenda?
18:27:13 <MarkMcCarthy> +1 to Bryan
18:27:25 <carmacleod> carmacleod: for the record, I prefer the separate pages as well - nice to have 2 different use cases
18:28:58 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
18:28:58 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Setup and review agenda -- taken up [from Jemma]
18:29:01 <Jemma> zakim, take up agendum 4
18:29:01 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- slider example -- taken up [from Jemma]
18:29:31 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/April-27%2C-2021-Agenda
18:29:46 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/slider-temperature/examples/slider/slider-temperature.html
18:30:11 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/slider-temperature/examples/slider/slider-temperature.html
18:32:03 <Jemma> we have four sliders to discuss and the first slider is temperature slider.
18:32:13 <carmacleod> jongund: This is basically just breaking up the temperature slider into multiple pages.
18:35:07 <carmacleod> mck: would like another accessibility review - not sure if aria-labelledby was working?
18:36:05 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/slider-seek/examples/slider/slider-seek.html
18:36:20 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1863
18:36:23 <carmacleod> Jemma: next slider is media seek slider
18:36:49 <carmacleod> jongund: in this example I don't use aria-orientation - should I use it?
18:37:15 <carmacleod> mck: it's horizontal, so we shouldn't use orientation on this one
18:37:25 <carmacleod> jongund: just wanted to double check
18:37:47 <carmacleod> mck: I love how it's announced now. It's actually pretty sweet.
18:40:06 <carmacleod> mck: it only says "of 5 minutes" when you tab in to the control, but arrows and pageup/down after that don't repeat the "of 5 minutes"
18:40:10 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/slider-multithumb-update/examples/slider/slider-multithumb.html
18:40:58 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1758
18:41:08 <carmacleod> mck: what did we decide we needed for high contrast documentation for this one?
18:42:25 <carmacleod> jongund: it is documented
18:43:04 <carmacleod> mck: some day we will have a high contrast section in the APG coding practices
18:43:08 <carmacleod> sarah_higley: yep
18:44:44 <siri> ./me  Can I get the bug# for talkback issue you were referring Jemma?
18:44:56 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1758/conflicts
18:46:52 <Jemma> Bad value “presentation” for attribute “role” on element “svg”.
18:46:52 <carmacleod> jongund: the validator doesn't like role none on svg
18:47:08 <carmacleod> mck: I can fix this in the merge
18:49:18 <Jemma> fourth example is rating slider
18:49:19 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/slider-rating/examples/slider/slider-rating.html
18:49:30 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1867
18:50:01 <carmacleod> mck: This is the one where you can do half-stars
18:50:12 <carmacleod> mck: so do the stars have role none?
18:50:50 <carmacleod> jongund: yes, the svgs have role none
18:51:23 <carmacleod> mck: are the stars tap targets?
18:52:10 <siri> star rating usually considered as radio buttons
18:52:21 <carmacleod> jongund: yes, and it works well on touch devices - tap on left side and get half, tap on right side and get whole star
18:52:57 <carmacleod> mck: is it a problem for WCAG touch target size?
18:53:15 <Jemma> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Understanding/dragging.html
18:53:31 <siri> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/#pointer-target-spacing
18:53:39 <carmacleod> sarah_higley: I don't think so, because it's just a visual style of the slider
18:54:04 <Jemma> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Understanding/pointer-target-spacing
18:57:12 <Jemma> agenda?
18:57:31 <carmacleod> zakim, take up item 5
18:57:31 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- APG index and coverage report -- taken up [from Jemma]
18:57:50 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/update-example-index/examples/index.html
18:57:59 <carmacleod> jongund: I addressed all the issues
18:58:16 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/update-example-index/coverage/index.html
18:58:34 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1859
18:58:46 <Jemma> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/update-example-index/coverage/index.html
18:59:08 <carmacleod> mck: I would like to help from the group to make sure the information in the index is accurate
18:59:18 <carmacleod> Jemma: I can help with this
19:01:51 <carmacleod> mck: not sure if we want to do implied semantics as well? For example, nav and not just navigation?
19:01:58 <Jemma> rrsagent, make minutes
19:01:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-minutes.html Jemma
19:02:13 <jongund> present+ jongund
19:03:09 <carmacleod> jongund: nav comes up for the navigation treeview and navigation menubar
19:03:17 <carmacleod> zakim, who is on the call?
19:03:17 <Zakim> Present: Matt_King, Jemma, Sarah, sarah_higley, MarkMccarthy, CurtBellew, jamesn, brayan, garaventa, brayangaraventa, carmacleod, jongund
19:03:50 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
19:03:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod
19:04:21 <carmacleod> regrets+ curt
19:04:25 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
19:04:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod
19:06:06 <carmacleod> present- brayan
19:06:14 <carmacleod> present- CurtBellew
19:06:23 <carmacleod> regrets+ CurtBellew
19:06:29 <carmacleod> regrets- curt
19:06:59 <carmacleod> present- brayangaraventa
19:07:09 <carmacleod> zakim, who is present
19:07:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is present', carmacleod
19:07:21 <carmacleod> zakim, who is on the call?
19:07:21 <Zakim> Present: Matt_King, Jemma, Sarah, sarah_higley, MarkMccarthy, jamesn, garaventa, carmacleod, jongund
19:07:41 <carmacleod> present- jamesn
19:07:56 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
19:07:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod
19:09:01 <carmacleod> present- Sarah
19:09:03 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
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19:10:12 <carmacleod> present+ Siri
19:10:14 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
19:10:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod